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Heartiste takes on an "egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved … manlet" who somehow isn't him.

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Well, the great minds of the manosphere have been going into overdrive trying to explain away the fact that a man who had a lot in common with them, ideology-wise, murdered six innocent people on Friday as part of a “Day of Retribution” that he had hoped would involve a lot more dead bodies, particularly of the blonde, female variety.

We had noted cultural commenter JudgyBitch (Janet Bloomfield) looking at Elliot Rodger, a man who wrote a 140-page manifesto detailing his hatred of women and girls, a manifesto that contained the following paragraph:

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.

.. and which ended with a fantasy of putting all the women in the world in concentration camps and starving them to death, while Rodger took a position in a giant tower built just for him “where I can oversee the entire concentration camp and gleefully watch them all die,” and suggesting that Rodger wasn’t actually a misogynist, because he wasn’t able to get into the sorority and murder all the “blonde sluts” he had hoped to murder and so ended up killing more men than women.

We had pickup guru and sometime date rapist Roosh Val looking at that same fellow, a young man who decided that all the women in the world deserved to die because no hot blondes came up and threw themselves at him while he wandered around campus talking to no one, and deciding that “game” would have saved his life and the life of his victims.

And we had Dr. Helen trying her best to insinuate that feminists were to blame for Rodger’s murders in California because a small group of feminists blocked a lecture by a Men’s Rights celebrity in Toronto and therefore prevented Rodger from getting the proper psychiatric care he needed, even though he had been seeing psychiatrists for years as well as a string of counselors in his final days.

But we still haven’t’ heard from the master of PUA purple prose, the Heartiste formerly known as Roissy. What the heck does he think about poor dead murderer Elliot Rodger?

Well, he has answered that question at last. According to Heartiste, the fallen Rodger was a repressed gay “social retard” who was also possibly a hetero incel beta male member of an omega male brothel. Plus some other stuff. I guess I should let Heartiste explain, because there’s no way to summarize his particular brand of fragrant prose poop.

First, teh gay:

Rodger pings some operational gaydars. There’s his plush gay face. There’s the “try-hard” nature of his manifesto, which reads less like a compendium of genuine pain than a B-movie script of what he’d think a guy with girl troubles would write. … And his narcissism; if you haven’t seen by now, Rodger had a stream of attention whoring pouty-lipped Facebook selfies that would make a dancing bar slut blush.

Setting aside the unproved gay hypothesis, Heartiste considers Rodger’s life as an incel – or “involuntary celibate.”

From what I can glean, Elliot Rodger failed with women because he was a social retard. That’s pretty much all there is to it. … He thought that “putting himself out there” with girls was sitting on a park bench like Aqualung. That making a serious move on a girl was quickly muttering “hi” as he stumbled past her, later delirious with rage that she didn’t reciprocate with an equally prompt blowjob. That bumping into an Asian dude talking to a cute chick, and glaring at them with his twisted angry face, was acting “cocky and arrogant”. That his effeminate passivity and lack of proactive engagement with women was evidence that they were “ignoring” him.

Actually, Heartiste sort of has a point here: Rodger seems to have literally never approached a single woman. His idea of courtship was to put on designer clothes and wander around outside, hoping that some lovely blonde gal would take a fancy to him and invite herself to be his girlfriend.

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger, but only if he had been gotten to earlier. Alas, Heartiste notes, Rodger turned not to PUA but to the website PUAhate.

Which brings us to PUAHate … It’s not a forum for failed pickup artists as some male feminists licking the taint of their femcunt overwhores will want you to believe. It’s a hangout for socially awkward losers who desperately want to blame their failings with women on their sub-Pitt looks instead of on their awful social calibration and their inability to say two words to a girl without filling their Pokemon underoos.

Again, Heartiste is partly right. No, not that bit about the femcunt overwhores and the fellows in their underwears. That other stuff. PUAhate is indeed a cesspit. While there are some people on the site legitimately interested in exposing PUA fraud, they’re outnumbered by angry incels and misogynistic trolls.

No sense ignoring the race angle.

Oh dear. Given that Heartiste is basically a genteel Nazi and Rodger was half-white, half-Asian, this isn’t going to be pretty.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders. And Asian men are especially susceptible to dating market lockouts. Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity and it’s a surprise suppressed racial/sexual rage doesn’t boil over more often.

Ok, that wasn’t quite as awful as I expected, though I’m pretty sure Heartiste’s reference to “vibrant proximate diversity” is basically just his way of suggesting that segregation is preferable to a society in which different ethnic groups actually come into contact with one another on a regular basis.

Heartiste decides to end by suggesting that the “effeminate” Rodger may be a sign of things to come:

The title of this post is a broad indictment of this infantile Millennial generation, which daily provides evidence that their ranks are filled with effeminate males who, like women, expect the world to cater their needs, no questions asked, no demands made. Elliot Rodger couldn’t stand how unfaaaair girls were to date uglier men than himself, how unfair life was that his car and clothes weren’t a magnet for hot white sorority chicks, how unfair the cosmic laws were to require of him a little bit of effort if he wanted to put an end to his virginity.

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good… there’s your new American manlet, same as your new American woman.

Wait, run that first part by me again?

Egotistic, attention starved, solipsistic, passive aggressive, perpetually aggrieved, and unwilling to change when posing as a martyr feels so damn good

Heartiste has just described the typical manospehrian, to a t.

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dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@Cloudiah:

Supernatural is awful, it’s just awful in an appealing kind of way? I love it, but I wouldn’t actually recommend it? It’s kind of a cesspit of misogyny, toxic masculinity, and fridged love interests, but it’s got hot angels and demons and stuff, and a cool car.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

@brooked
Well, when someone says KKK I assume they’re using it as a stand in/catchall for all kinds of historical racism, unless they are being specific about it. I realise he was talking about the KKK as it currently stands so maybe I was over-reaching. But over it’s lifetime, the KK will have done more to damage his finances than a few women, even if the KKK did them before he was alive.

NB: the other reason I take KKK to mean “the kind of racists who happily murder people because of their race” rather than the KKK specifically is because I’m not american and the people who did it here in australia didn’t have a name or group or special outfits. I guess it’s more equivalent to the mistreatment of native peoples in north america though so I’ll stop conflating the two.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@Lea:

I have an argyle sweatervest where the argyle is made of hearts. I humbly submit that it is the best sweatervest.

cloudiah
6 years ago

Hey, since we’re talking about TV, can we also talk about books? Someone recommended that I read Elizabeth Bear’s Eternal Sky series. Anyone read it? Any opinions?

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

WWTH,
It is X-files, but also Kung-Fu and Road House.
It’s like Scooby-Doo meets Ernest goes to Hell sometimes.
They even have guest stars from various horror classics.
Two of the cast have been in horror classic reboots.
The show mocks them for it.
It is not the bestest, smartest show.

I still like it.

It’s Buffy, but with midwestern guys.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

“I’m sort of look warm about Supernatural. It feels a little derivative of X Files and Angel but it’s still clever enough to keep watching. I’m on season 4 so far.”

Not surprising. Some of the X-Files writers jumped to Supernatural. I can’t remember if they’re still writing for the show or not.

Shiraz
Shiraz
6 years ago

Heh. Hey Lea, remember when Linda Blair guest starred? She played a detective. Good fun.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

dustedeste ,
I must agree.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

I think my largest problem with Supernatural is the blatant gaybaiting. Like, gawd, it’s been how many seasons now? Just kiss already and make Destiel canon.

My second largest problem was that my brain decided that very explicit sexy dreams about Crowley were in order, and he’s definitely not my pick of the guys on that show. I mean, he’s not even, like, fifth-hottest, probably. I mean, at least it wasn’t Megatron, but still.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

Shiraz,
Yes I do. 🙂
I did not know that about the writers, but it makes sense. It’s still a story about two people who love each other (not in that way, fans!) and how they solve supernatural mysteries with guile and guns.
Hmmmmmm…

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Lea, I wish the internet were mine to give.

You are fantastic.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

I think my largest problem with Supernatural is the blatant gaybaiting

Just because I watch Supernatural doesn’t mean I’m gay! Geez!

Oh no! I think I was possessed by the spirit of Davis for a second.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

dustedeste,
I like that actor.
He was in an episode of Firefly.
He wore a derby. I don’t recall the character’s name.
Whoever casted that show did an amazing job or got very lucky.

Misha Collins maintains that Cas really did love *retracted for spoiler* and that Destiel will never be cannon. But I still (to the tune of Everyday I’m Hustle’n) ship it real hard, ship it, ship it, real hard.

Lea
Lea
6 years ago

contrapangloss ,
You are!

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Aww… Davis went to go play on the other thread.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@Lea: Yeah, he was Badger in Firefly! It’s not that I don’t like the actor – it’s that the dreams are about Crowley the character, not about Mark Sheppard the actor, and Crowley as a person, however charming his mannerisms may be, is a lying, pernicious, sadistic, dangerous, abusive asshole when you get right down to – it not someone I want to boink.

I expect that Castiel will eventually hook up with Dean – but not after he ends up in a female host by hook or by crook. At which point I will roll my eyes a lot.

moldybrehd
6 years ago

Aww… Davis went to go play on the other thread.

Apparently, he’s not a Supernatural fan.

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

@Leykis 101 Graduate

Guess what? After seeing a mass murderer play the “nice guy” card, I have zero fucks to give about your college sob story, how women earned your contempt by having the gall to live their own lives in college rather than be cast as your trophy girlfriend in your narcissistic fantasy and how you will have your grand revenge when your “dating and social market value” is up, while those college girls are all old and icky.

Clearly this man never understood Tom Leykis or Chateau Heartiste because if he had, this situation would have NEVER occurred.

It’s true, clearly Roger seemed to hang out in the Incel scream chamber, unlike you who clearly vomits out basic PUA TeRPer horseshit crackpot lingo at every moment, even when it’s really inappropriate, say after a misogynistic terrorist has shot 19 people. If you’re lucky you’ll stop resenting the young, immature women who have sex with other men, gain empathy for people who aren’t you or men you think are exactly like you, ditch the manosphere solipsism, and be an adult who thinks for himself and engages with the world.

Or you can be like a 34 year old troll we had a while back who, despite an alleged law career and/or farm, was still obsessing over the “hot white chicks” in his college dorm who never fucked him and how imaginary non-facts about dating market value prove they’re doomed to loneliness while bragging to uninterested strangers about dating younger women. That’s right, you can keep shilling PUA jibber jabber while being a miserable, petty asshole who only seemingly finds joy in imagining girls he went to college with over a decade ago are still single and clings to the idea all women over 30 are unhappy because they aren’t married to a swell guy like him.

Speaking personally college was a BRUTAL time of challenge and self reflection for me.

It’s that for a lot of people, even women, but it’s time to get over it and stop blaming women for not saving you from sadness.

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

@kim

I agree with everything you said, I think Davis was being incredibly literal minded or just obtuse, and meant he never personally has been directly hurt by men in white hoods calling themselves the KKK.

NB: the other reason I take KKK to mean “the kind of racists who happily murder people because of their race” rather than the KKK specifically is because I’m not american and the people who did it here in australia didn’t have a name or group or special outfits. I guess it’s more equivalent to the mistreatment of native peoples in north america though so I’ll stop conflating the two.

Doh, I’m usually really good about not assuming people on the interwebs are American, but I failed that time. It makes sense that you thought of the KKK as more of a symbol of virulent racism, even younger Americans do that. I’m a history buff and my father was a Civil RIghts activist in 1960s, so even though I’m a white northerner I know a lot about the Klan.

The KKK existed briefly after the Civil War, and might have been a historical footnote if the 1915 movie The Birth of the Nation wasn’t the most successful recruitment film of all time. The Klan exploded in popularity and by the 1920s it had millions of members thorough out the nation. Most significantly, it was a key force in maintaining racial apartheid in the American South until the 1970s.

There are a lot of reasons why the Black Civil Rights Movement is a unique and singular achievement, but nothing stands out more for me than it finally putting an end to the constant physical threat, a kind of terrorism, that was used to keep blacks segregated and under white control in the South. Any black person seen as stepping out of line could end up killed by whites, often by Klan members in collusion with law enforcement. Any white person they bothered to arrest for a racial murder was always found innocent by an all-white jury. The Klan was above the law until the Federal Government started going after them in the 1960s and even then it took decades for anyone to successfully prosecute white men for infamous pre-Civil Rights racial murders.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Interesting. I’m Australian and never take KKK to mean anything other than the actual organisation.

twincats
twincats
6 years ago

Waaay late to this party but, omg. So much NOPE here. The poor nope llama must be getting an exhausting workout! But I love hir SO much! Many thanks to whoever posted it here a few days ago!

Heartiste, like Roosh, thinks that “game” could have saved Rodger…

OH HELL NOPE! This one raises a fury in me like nothing else about this horrible episode.

Mixed race people are more likely to have psychological disorders.

wtf?? This requires a prequel gif where the poor llama is watching Heartiste pulling the fax right out of his ass; THE GLASSES, THEY DO NOTHING!!!!

Throw in the cauldron a stew of vibrant proximate diversity…

Well, that actually sounds quite nice. Vibrant proximate diversity, mmm! Of course, Heartiste doesn’t think so. *sigh*

back to lurk mode…

Puddleglum
6 years ago

I feel sad I missed the nope llama, and can’t find it anywhere, because with the trolls on this site lately, I sure could use it.

Nezumi
Nezumi
6 years ago

… Okay, I’ve sometimes failed to reshare posts here because they’re too generic, not interesting enough, or so specific in their content that sharing them does little to expose the broader problems with the “manosphere.” This is the first one I’ve hesitated to because the content it’s criticizing is literally just that disgusting.

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