Leave it to Dr. Helen ā psychologist, right-wing blogger, friend of A Voice for Men ā to come up with what has got to be the most transparent attempt to distract public attention from the obvious parallels between the misogyny of spree killer Elliot Rodgers and the misogyny of the Men’s Rights movement she supports.
In a blog post on PJ Media, she suggests half-seriously that āIf Pick-Up Artists Are Guilty,[of inspiring Elliot Rodger] Then So Are the Feminists.ā
The good Doctor starts by accusing Slate’s Amanda Hess of blaming pickup artists for Elliot’s rampage. Her proof? Several passages from Hess in which Hess makes very clear that she is not blaming PUAs ā or the anti-PUAs at PUAhate — for the deaths in Santa Barbara, or even for Rodger’s misogyny.
Dr. Helen then quotes eminent mental health expert āJudgyBitch,ā who wrote of the case:
The fact is that Elliotās outburst does indeed highlight an issue of central importance to the MHRM ā the inadequate, almost non-existent treatment of mental health problems for young men.
Well yes, speaking as someone who’s been dealing with depression most of my life, I agree that mental health services could be improved for young men. And old men. And everyone else.
What difference this would have made in Elliot Rodger’s case, though, is unclear. Though he’s being routinely described in the media and in online discussions of the case as āmentally ill,ā āfreaking nuts,ā a āderanged lunatic,ā and numerous other variations on this theme, we don’t actually know much for sure about his brain chemistry; claims that he “suffered from extreme paranoia and heard voices” haven’t been confirmed.
In any case, Rodger himself wasn’t suffering from a lack of mental health support. He had been treated by several therapists, and was seeing a psychiatrist. He chose not to take the meds he was prescribed.
What we do know is that Rodger was a young man driven by intense, murderous misogyny, and by what sociologists Rachel Kalish and Michael Kimmel call āaggrieved entitlementā (pdf here), a personality trait he shares in common with a number of young spree killers in recent years. It’s also pretty much a default personality trait for Men’s Rights activists ā but we’ll get to that in a moment.
First, let’s return to Dr. Helen, who’s just getting to the main point of her post: The Blaming of the Feminists.
Perhaps it is the feminists and their supporters who block funding and education going to boysā and menās issues that are to blame. Case in point? Warren Farrell tried to give a talk in Toronto about suicide in young men and other topics and was accosted by nasty feminists who did not want him to speak.
Now, I don’t support shutting down lectures of those I disagree with, and I think the protestors who shut down Farrell’s lecture not only acted in an unprincipled way but also, unintentionally, provided the Men’s Rights movement with the greatest recruitment tool it’s ever had.
That said, the protesters didn’t shut down Farrell’s lecture because they opposed mental health funding for men and boys. They shut it down because Farrell has, in the past, offered creepy apologias for date rape and for incest ā including the sexual abuse of underage boys and girls by their parents.
Indeed, in a notorious interview he gave about his research exploring the supposed āpositiveā side of incest in the 1970s, Farrell told Penthouse magazine that most of the boys he studies actually enjoyed being abused by ā sorry, participating in incest with ā their mothers.
The author summarized Farrell’s claims:
Mother-son incest represents 10 percent of the incidence and is 70 percent positive, 20 percent mixed, and 10 percent negative for the son. For the mother it is mostly positive. Farrell points out the boys don’t seem to suffer, not even from the negative experience.
So, yeah, the man Dr. Smith is holding up as a compassionate hero for boys, the man who essentially invented the Men’s Rights movement we know and don’t love today, has argued publicly that boys not only aren’t harmed by sexual abuse, but that most of them like it.
I’m not sure the men and boys of the world need this brand of ācompassion.ā
But this is not the only thing about Dr. Helen’s post that is deeply hypocritical.
Rodger’s murders were clearly driven by āaggrieved entitlement.ā He believed he deserved a ābeautiful blonde girlfriend,ā and that the world had wronged him by not giving him one. And so he set out to take his āretributionā upon the girls who had rejected him ā as symbolized by the “blonde sluts” of the sorority he targeted ā and upon the world at large.
As Kalish and Kimmel write,
What transforms the aggrieved into mass murderers is also a sense of entitlement, a sense of using violence against others, making others hurt as you, yourself, might hurt. aggrieved entitlement inspires revenge against those who have wronged you; it is the compensation for humiliation. Humiliation is emasculation ā¦ For many men, humiliation must be avenged, or you cease to be a man.
Like virtually all spree killings by young men driven by āaggrieved entitlement,ā Rodger’s rampage was also a suicide; he ended it with a bullet in his own head. Kalish and Kimmel would define this as āsuicide by mass murder,ā a way for aggrieved young men to use their own suicides to reaffirm their masculinity and take revenge upon their supposed tormenters.
The trouble is, even while Dr. Helen condemns Rodger’s murders, and tries to blame feminists for them, she herself has joined many other Men’s Rights activists in glorifying a man who attempted something very much like a āsuicide by mass murderā himself.
I am talking, of course, about Thomas Ball– an angry MRA, estranged father and admitted child abuser ā who several years ago set himself aflame on the steps of a New Hampshire courthouse, leaving behind a manifesto urging fellow MRAs inspired by his suicide to start firebombing courthouses and police stations, acts of terrorism which he admitted quite plainly could lead to deaths.
So what did Dr. Helen have to say about this manifesto, which among other things contained helpful tips on how to make effective Molotov cocktails? On her blog, she waxed poetic:
His statement is not the ramblings of a madman, it is the mission of a warrior in some sense. …
Mr. Ball’s death should serve as a wake-up call to the men and their supporters in this country to continue to fight for equal rights in the area of marriage and family law.
Like Rodger, Thomas Ball was driven by a sense of aggrieved entitlement. Like Rodger, Thomas Ball hoped for a āDay of Retributionā in which his enemies would die violent deaths.
Unlike Rodger, he did not kill anyone else himself; instead, he hoped that others would do the killing for him. But the impulse behind Rodger’s manifesto was largely the same. He sought to fight what he considered a grave āinjusticeā through violence.
And Men’s Rights activists turned him into a martyr. A Voice for Men posted his manifesto ā complete with its calls to firebomb government buildings ā in its āactivismā section for several years; it was finally removed only after the Boston Marathon bombings brought media attention back to the issue of domestic terrorism. The theme song for AVFM’s flagship radio show contains an āinvocationā celebrating Ball as a fallen hero and declaring that “his death will not go in vain.”
No, the Men’s Rights movement didn’t cause Rodger’s rampage; there’s no evidence that he ever even came into contact with it, though he was clearly steeped in misogynstic online subcultures like those of PUAhate. But there are a frightening number of MRAs who think a lot like Rodger. And that is far more worrying.
Worst person ever.
So if Warren Farrell had been able to give his talk, Elliot Rodger wouldn’t have killed 6 innocent people because he hated women?
If there were more funding for boy’s and men’s issues, Elliot Rodgers wouldn’t have killed 6 innocent people because he hated women?
They only care about menās/boysā mental health when it makes them look good to pretend to care. In practice, they focus most of their effort on finding ways to hate women.
Actions speak louder than words.
Excellent piece, David.
Plus whenever a man or a boy actually has mental health problems or is a victim of abuse, you’re average MRA will belittle them as weak or feminine anyway. Unless they kill some people.
Feminists didn’t de-fund public mental health services. That was St. Ronnie. Feminists want that funding to be reinstated.
LOL, even Warren Farrell and that other speaker (Janice something? Janet something?) say that the Toronto protests were an anomaly–most of the time when they speak there is no protest at all, let alone attempts to block them from speaking.
Unfortunately, though, male spree killings are not an anomaly. And many of them are committed by proud misogynists, even if they also have other motivations.
I’m unclear on what the actual points are.
He was receiving help for a mental condition, but clearly not appropriate levels of help or this wouldn’t have happened. So how is this not a failing of mental health services? The therapist committed malpractice by not having him committed.
Another man committed suicide and advocated for attacking “The System” and agents of “The system”. Is this somehow the same as attacking women? Are women the ones controlling government now?
Though I do appreciate that you are honest enough to clearly state that Elliot was not associated with the Men’s Rights Movement.
Ugh. Of course it’s somehow the fault of feminism, even though feminism supports PEOPLE with mental health concerns. People. Not just women. It’s not people who spend their time on MRM forums crying the exact same things that Rodgers seemed to believe who normalize this behavior, it’s feminists somehow.
Somehow, no matter what the issue, the MRM and the outlier groups and supporters manage to twist it as being feminists fault. I suppose next time a hurricane hits it will be our fault too.
Heard it before. When men kill, it’s womens’ fault? Whatever.
GNL, what’s it like to go through life so consistently missing the point time and time again?
Is this a natural talent, or do you have to train for it?
The system which says men have to be held accountable for their actions.
That’s what he was against.
That’s what the MRM is against.
I’m a man. Something like 20% of people with the kind of depression I have end up killing themselves.
This sort of fake care about men and boy’s mental health as a rhetorical ploy makes me ill.
MRAs only care about suicide and mental health of men and boys to the extent that they can blame it on women. That’s also their only proposed course of action or activism; “blame women.”
Go wank on a thread that isn’t about people getting killed, GNL.
Why am I not surprised that GNL understands nothing and contributes nothing?
I haven’t been able to deal with the other Elliot Rodger threads so maybe this has been said before…
It seems to me that when other shooting sprees have occurred, speculating that it was due to mental illness is a minority reaction. When mental illness is mentioned, it’s usually something like, “I suppose he’s going to fake being crazy to try to get away with it.” Funny how when misogyny is the motive people jump on the mental illness bandwagon.
To paraphrase Twain, “Suppose you promoted hateful ideas. And suppose you wrote for PJ Media. But I repeat myself.”
And GNL? I suggest you go home and rethink your life. You don’t want to be selling death sticks.
I wonder if the people who keep tabs on potential terrorists consider “aggrieved entitlement” a red flag.
@GNL
Why stop at blaming his ‘possible’ mental illness? Maybe he had diabetes and a bad batch of insulin made him shoot all those people.
No, wait, that’s just silly.
I always thought that doctors had to abide by a code of ethics or behaviour? I live in Australia but I would have thought that there are processes for reporting doctors who lack a duty of care to their patients and/or society in general.
In Australia, a doctor or nurse can be struck off the register and barred from practicing for misconduct or malpractice. Just as a lawyer may be barred.
I truly cannot believe that Dr Helen and the other AVFM “Dr” Tara are allowed to continue to practice! They must fill their patients with so much negativity and hopelessness. I fail to see how either of them could possibly treat anyone (man, woman or child) in need of help/counselling.
1) Go home, GNL, yr drunk.
2) Also, I finally got through all fucking 141 pages of that murderous little wanker’s “manifesto” or whatever he thought it was. I took a hot shower. And now I feel obligated to point out that there was not one single solitary example in his entire loser-ass venting of all of his horrifying first world problems of a woman or girl, EVEN ONE TIME, rejecting him.
Not once. He had nothing. There was no example anywhere in there of a female person actually ever doing anything to him, saying anything to him, rejecting him, hurting his little fee fees, nothing. Because if there had been an actual incident I do believe he would have chronicled it out in mind-numbingly boring detail. But there wasn’t any. Which leads me to conclude that:
a) He never once actually spoke to any woman he wanted to have sex with. He never propositioned any woman, ever.
b) In other words, his own aggrieved sense of magnificent self entitlement was SO extreme he literally believed women should be throwing themselves at him even though he never so much as spoke to them or made his desires known.
So not only is the Manosphere and various loose cannons now busily out in force on social media trying to blame women for their own murders (hey, if you can blame a woman for her own rape, why not?), but there’s this narrative that the Poor Nice Guy was REJECTED, and guess what?
He wasn’t. He wasn’t even rejected.
That said, I don’t find his writing delusional, or rather I don’t find it any more delusional than the writing I read all over the internet about all kinds of subjects every damn day.
>:(
That funny moment when you actually research the University of Toronto thing and it’s literally the only example of feminists shutting out MRA meetings, yet it’s always referred to as evidence of something happening all over the place on a regular basis.
@Lili Fugit: Actually, there was ONE forgettable incident that was close to that. He once said “hi” to a woman he didn’t know, but she didn’t respond. That was the only documented approach. And then he just went back to what he was doing.
On the note of entitlement, on the SAME DAY as the UCSB shootings, there was another incident in California where a man shot at 3 women who refused sex: thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/05/26/3441640/california-man-allegedly-fired-at-girls-for-refusing-to-have-sex/
I honestly wonder how many of these “incidents” society needs to realise misogyny and entitlement are issues.
Where’s the proof that feminists have blocked funding? Where? Also, very disgusting that this guy is being made into a martyr.
You know, there was a guy that I liked but he’d never like me, but so what? Move on. Don’t frigging kill people over it. You aren’t some god that deserves sex. Just yuck.