When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
In other words, an MRA.
For the blomillionth time, stop with the armchair diagnostics, ableism, and attempts at deflecting the blame. Rodgers wouldn’t have spent so much time hanging around MRA/PUA sites if he didn’t find constant reinforcement for his violent, misogynistic fantasies there. He’s yours. Own him.
“Also, isn’t there some trope that gets bandied about the manosphere that historically, only 40% of men have reproduced while 80% of women have had children? Of course, there’s zero data to back that up, but it isn’t even consistent with the pre-sexual revolution section of the chart.”
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/the-missing-men-in-your-family-tree/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
I’m also really sick of people blaming the shooter’s parents for this. I’ve seen nothing to indicate they aren’t decent people who didn’t try to be good parents. I hate how quick people are to judge parenting they know next to nothing about.
“His original target was a sorority house. They didn’t let him (because women aren’t as stupid as you think we are) and he went to plan B which was indiscriminate shooting”.
From what I have read, he manifesto indicates that his first targets were his two roommates. He stabbed them and one of their visitors. Then he targeted the sorority house, where he shot and killed two women. Then he went to some market and shot and killed one man.
What’s your point Jean? Are you trying to argue that Rodger’s wasn’t a misogynist. If so just come out and say it.
Oh, that Baumeister thing again. The study that was based on (Wilder et. al.) didn’t actually prove anything about men having unequal access to sex partners historically. Genetic variability in the populations studied is probably more likely due to polygyny (one husband, multiple wives resulting in the same Y chromosome being handed down through the sons but a variety of X chromosomes being handed down through the daughters) and patrilocality (women moving to the husband’s location, thus reducing the chance of inbreeding with distant cousins, and spreading her mitochondrial DNA around). It also doesn’t take into account women dying in childbirth at disproportionate rates, which would further reduce genetic variability.
Same here, grumpycat. His parents tried their best to get help for him, but at the end of the day, he was responsible for his own actions.
I’m really sick of the empathy deficit in this country. People are so quick to judge and blame other people, and give vicious belief systems a free pass.
I’m wondering WTF Jean’s trying to get at, too.
So far ze’s done nothing but drop non sequiturs and random links.
The topic of what motivates folks to kill has been on my mind a lot recently. I have a murder-suicide in my own family and the person who committed the murder would be considered a normal person by most standards. Hard worker, no history of violence at all, good to his kids, soft-spoken but friendly. His family loved him very much and were completely shocked and blindsided when he killed his wife. She had left him a few months prior to this, and folks do remember that he had begun to obsess over it afterwards to the point where he seemed to see nothing else.
The thing that we hate to admit is that ordinary human beings are capable of murder. Most of us never do. We make choices about which thoughts and feelings we accept, which parts of ourselves we embrace and which parts we say no to, and it’s a lifelong inner negotiation.
Most of us have experienced hatred and rage, and we’ve had to determine what to do with those feelings. Some of us make the choice to confront dismantle these feelings. Some of us file them away and focus on other more positive feelings. Some of us ignore them and never deal at all (though, they tend to speak up from time to time anyway). And some of us choose to embrace these feelings, to feed the hatred, nurture the rage to and neglect all other feelings.
I read this guy’s manifesto and his whole world was hate. He remembered good and happy things, but by the time of his writing, he’d blotted out everything but his fury. He had a lot of anger and nowhere to put it until he decided on women and once he made that choice, he had a very clear and specific target for his hatred. You can see that he had few actual interactions with women, and he said no to any chance for an opposing view. An actual conversation with a woman may have challenged these notions of his. A broader view in general may have challenged them, but varied, complex individuals were invisible to him; he saw only attractive blondes and the men they associated with. He chose not to look at anything else.
It’s clearly laid out in the manifesto that Rodger first conceived of his Day of Retribution in 2012. It took him almost 2 years to actually execute this plan, and he postponed it several times. This was something that he worked himself up to. His escalation involved choosing again and again to say no to other options (he had a counsellor for years he apparently never brought it up to), and to continue saying yes to his feelings of rage. This is where sites like PUAhate were instrumental in indulging him.
It doesn’t take a “broken brain” or “disturbed mind” and certainly not mental illness to commit murder. It’s a series of choices where one embraces feelings of hatred, justifies their rage, and creates an enemy to keep the cycle going.
We are all capable of this. That’s why it’s such a wonderful thing that so many of us choose the opposite. It’s why we need to be careful with our anger and work to dismantle institutions that support hatred. It’s why it’s so important that we remain critical of hate movements and expose them for what they are. Thank you, David, for doing this.
“What you have read” clearly doesn’t include Rodger’s “manifesto”, in which he spells out in graphic detail his plans to invade the sorority house and kill everyone in it.
You’re merely describing what he ended up doing, but his ambitions were far more extensive – and, helpfully, unambiguously spelled out in his own hand so there’s no need to speculate.
This cannot be repeated too many times. Autism/Asperges is NOT a mental illness is a neurological disorder; differently ordered neorological pathways. Asperges/Autism has no correlation with violence and no pre-disposition towards violence. They may get stressed relatively more easily than you or I, they may be more likely to yell but that’s as far as it goes.
Any violence exhibited by a person with Asperges/Autism is the same as violence exhibited by a person without this particular neurological disorder. It is because of other influences. Please help break the ignorance surrounding it including this info in your comments amd opinions. This group has enough social stigma to deal with, without adding even more ignorance to the mix. I know 2 people with Asperges/Autism. How many do you know?
Jean
Well, if you are really, really desperate you avoid reading the information freely available so that you can say ‘from what I’ve read’; that doesn’t mean that your ethics are above the level of pond slime.
Equally, if you are going to quote dodgy papers then you really can’t expect people to view your IQ as above the level of pond slime; surely it must have occurred to you that in the real world people don’t obligingly pretend not to have read all the other stuff so you can carry on peddling your fantasies.
Your delusional fantasies were shared by a mass murderer; it really doesn’t say much for you that you are still peddling them…
Shame on all of you for trying to hijack a tragedy to promote a political agenda.
A mentally ill kid did something terrible. End of.
Well, that must be nice, feeling so safe in the knowledge that you’ll never be the target of misogynist rage that you can comfortably handwave it away as unimportant. Some of us don’t have that luxury, but clearly we don’t matter, from your perspective.
Also, just FYI, most kids have seen porn by 13 or 14, so if you’re going to call that extreme negligence then most parents are guilty of extreme negligence. Which seems unlikely, and it would be more logical to look to the culture that’s made internet porn so easy to access to explain why most kids are able to access it, but hey, I guess that might lead back to having to consider the role misogyny plays in all this in some way, and we can’t have that.
It’s people like our friend Ivan here who create the culture that makes it possible for men to go on a misogyny-fuelled shooting spree and have their actions excused as nothing to do with misogyny and not a sign that maybe we as a culture should do something about the fact that it’s so common. Take a really close look at the things being said by people like this, everyone, because until we get rid of attitudes like this, we’re never going to be able to get to the point where women are seen as people.
Well, that’s not terrifying at all. Holy crap, does that dude not realize just how many red flags he’s merrily waving in your face? He might as well just say “hi, just thought I’d let you know that I’m a potential rapist, because whether or not you consent to things is completely irrelevant to me”.
“Shame on you for analyzing the causes of tragedies in the hopes of averting them in the future instead of scapegoating the mentally ill like you’re supposed to!”
The gunman who killed six people in a furious shooting rampage near the University of California, Santa Barbara began the spree by stabbing to death three people in his home, police said tonight.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/santa-barbara-killer-began-stabbing-home/story?id=23853918
The assailant himself outlined his plan to kill two roommates in a 137-page manifesto he left behind.
“I’d even enjoy stabbing them both to death while they slept,” Rodger wrote.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/26/justice/california-killing-spree/
As someone who has suffered secist attacks by two ex partners, it seems apparent that the manosphere controls almost all of how sexist violence is represented in society, even down to presenting it as domestic violence, and therefore locational rather than sexist which would tie the violence to the attitude of the perp ss we do with homophobic, racist and other hate crimes. Elliott was a sexist murderer.
I am deeply interested in all humans being treated like full human beings, myself and other women included. If you want to call that my “political agenda,” whatever.
@MawBTS, folks here are not hijacking a tragedy, they are reacting to one. If you are not interested in seriously engaging with the large collection of materials Elliot Rodgers left behind detailing why he made the choice to murder innocents, that’s your call.
But this man quite plainly told us why he did it. We are not putting words in his mouth, but responding to his own statements.
I’m sorry if that upsets you, or scares you.
Since Jean knows how to use Google you’d think she’d be able to find the actual manifesto. Maybe she’s pre-installed the “see no misogyny” add-on.
Yeah, how dare discuss a spree killing motivated primarily by misogyny and think about ways to reduce violence and misogyny. We are really TERRIBLE people. Shame on us.
(Honestly, I don’t think our discussion scares MawBTS; I think it threatens him. Abusers receive many privileges when they’re victims remain helpless and abused. That’s why they really don’t like us talking about ending abuse.)
*their*
Although looking at his site, I can see why he’s so threatened by people condemning the actions of self-obsessed dudes.
I can’t words good today.
Shame on you for being a hypocritical dipshit. Hastily labeling this man as “mentally ill” in order to explain his violent acts is what obscures systemic factors that enable murderous, abusive men like Rodger. You may not call that part of a political agenda for the sake of staying true to your bullshit contrarian attitude, but whether you like it or not what you say also fuels various political agendas.
Moreover, we have every right to use this event as part of a political agenda. Because Rodger’s motivations were primarily comprised of misogyny, racism, and overall entitlement. You aren’t doing shit to address the cause of this violence by blaming the murder on mental disabilities. We’re actually pointing out the dynamics of the situation using as evidence HIS OWN WORDS. How many fucking times does this need to be pointed out to people like you? Holy shit.