When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
I just want to say thank you to David and this blog’s commenters for providing a relatively safe space to discuss this tragedy… Anywhere else I go triggers me, and others seem to be having similar experiences. It’s scary and infuriating to see so many sympathize/excuse such a vile, unforgivable person. It kinda makes me lose faith in humanity, for real.
I’m gonna stick to this site and happy parts of youtube for a while… It’s not that I’m “ignoring reality”, I just can’t deal with those who are denying it right now.
Hugs are here if you want them, leocigale.
Buttercup
I think expecting these guys and their enablers to understand even elementary stastical analysis is probably carrying optimism a little too far; one of the many ironies in MRA world is that the guys announcing their intellectual superiority seem to have no clue as to even basic maths and basic science, whilst loudly proclaiming that women can’t possibly understand either…
@leocigale
You’re not the only one. I’ve been hiding on mammoth and only playing video games. The rest of the internet, I can’t deal with atm.
::offers internet hugs::
Absolutely.
leocigale
A thoroughly sound plan; I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of the population feel nothing but contempt for the people queuing up to make excuses for mass murder. I’m also pretty sure that the vast majority of the people queuing up to make excuses for mass murder wouldn’t do so in the real world where the people they speak to can speak back…
Stevie – I know, that’s what’s so infuriating about them. All their noxious beliefs are propped up by cargo-cult science. The forms of science are there (the charts, the graphs, the jargon) but none of the actual scientific method. Logically speaking, their arguments are contradictory, riddled with colossal fallacies, and have holes you could drive an entire solar system through (with clearance to spare for the Oort cloud). It must be exhausting for them, keeping up all those cognitive twists and turns.
General apologies, too – in the post above I didn’t mean to make anyone feel bad who might be unpartnered and still searching for companionship by implying “Hey! Everyone in the world is paired up”…it’s just that that middle chart section is so inaccurate. It seems to imply that sex is for the very few elite, when in reality, people have a wide range of tastes and what they’re attracted to (And I think all the pink stick figures are supposed to represent hot women, anyway, because that’s the only kind of sex that counts.).
leocigale, Marie, and everyone else – internet hugs. I’ve been avoiding the major news sites as well.
Yep, keep to the sunny side of the internets today. That is a good plan.
Because…damn.
The things I’ve seen.
http://static.tumblr.com/9da7400eee3b19eeba69958a894bd70d/61cwamb/D12mn4nxu/tumblr_static_sammygig.gif
http://mamamia-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/GrossedOut.gif
Reblogged this on The Monster's Ink and commented:
The “supreme gentleman” wanted to see the majority of the world’s women starved to death in concentration camps. What a charmer.
Dropping off some adorable Maltese puppies for anyone who needs a momentary break:
http://drst.tumblr.com/post/86913377263/thefrogman-monte-the-maltese-instagram
Hi Marie,
Uhhm, that wasn’t me who said that. I believe the exact opposite of that actually.
Lea, loved those links. Good chuckle for the day.
@lkeke35
Uh, I was responding to Jimmy, I just left his @ you in by accident. So I know it wasn’t you.
Lkeke35,
I think that was Jimmy who was replying to you and she quoted his reply so that’s why your name ended up there.
All of these fucking trolls on Mammoth make me want to leave this place for a while X_X
Yeah, the trolls are popping up a page back or so. Ick.
Also, it turns out that somehow feminism is to blame.
@leocigale
Unca Scrooge always has hugs available from me
@Gen
OT, but are you South African?
RE: Rodgers
Honestly, I feel like referring to him as White in this discussion is kind of apropos for many reasons:
1) Not only was he White passing, but he himself seems to identify as White, and the way the country and media are treating him continue to be White treatment
2) He was a White supremacist, and he was a White passing White supremacist whose crimes fall completely in line with those of actual White supremacist
3) His thoughts and racist screeds were those of the White White supremacist, not an MOC racist/White supremacist
4) His three male victims were MOC, and this was deliberate not happenstance
I think, much like with Zimmer, treating Rodgers like an MOC dilutes the discussion that needs to happen
@Ally
::offers internet hugs:: Do what you need to to take care of yourself.
Oh, I’m not going to actually leave – I’ll just probably stick around more in the open thread instead.
@Shadow
I agree 100%.
Wow! The MRA trolls must have decided to inundate us en masse. There’s too much bullshit to address at once even if I wanted to. I’ll just do this one:
This isn’t the gotcha you think it is. We have his manifesto and his videos which all very, very clearly stated he hates women.
His original target was a sorority house. They didn’t let him (because women aren’t as stupid as you think we are) and he went to plan B which was indiscriminate shooting.
Is that the best you people have got?
@Shadow, I think the difference with making sure people didn’t forget Zimmerman was a MoC was so people didn’t forget that anti-blackness isn’t restricted to white people and that other PoC perpetrate it. It’s not a discussion I should be involved in though as I am white.
As for Rodger’s status as a MoC, it’s trickier, it seems like while he identified with whiteness and was pretty much obsessed with it but his mixed race status seemed to be something that factored into his anger and resentment. I don’t know enough to comment on it in a more nuanced way, I have also seen WoC asking that his PoC status not be forgotten because to characterise male violence against women as a “white” thing really hurts WoC who are more likely to victims of violence from MoC than white men. However, again, not a discussion that needs my input.
Good grief, I have never seen so many trolls in one thread before. :/
Ally, I just opened up a new “happy” open thread as a respite from all this, and from the trolls.
Cloudiah, it figures it’s “Dr. Helen” writing that bullshit.
I can recommend:
http://www.putyouinabettermood.com/
for days like today.
Dr. Helen . . . ugh. Also, I’m hating this repeated assertion of “he killed more men than women so how is this misogyny?” Nice try disproving the painfully obvious misogynistic motives, but the fact that more men than women died didn’t do that. It just proves that misogyny is deadly to men too.
I’m also hating the repeated assertion that we don’t care about the male victims. I’m heartbroken for these young men and their families. I’m heartbroken and also full of admiration for the father of the young man who happened to be in the wrong deli at the wrong time. I admire this father of a boy for sharing his grief publicly and being so incredibly brave about it. I care about men and I care about women. I care about people.