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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to β€œslaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that β€œmisogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.Β  Killing men is misogyny?Β  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to β€œmental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of β€œanti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the β€œalt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by β€œanti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of β€œ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was β€œan extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page β€œmanifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his β€œDay of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the β€œobnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the β€œpretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a β€œloser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only β€œrights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently β€œhooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like β€œthe Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that β€œfeminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as β€œa putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by β€œgirls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own β€œmagnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with β€œpretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of β€œretribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Or, hey, I have a fun game. Nothing annoys misogynists more than women’s voices, right? I propose we turn this thread into a tribute to women with amazing voices,

Here’s another one.

And a third.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
10 years ago

Think I just found out where trolls get their science education

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

New definition: one Jule is the amount of energy created by /headdesking until the troll goes away.

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

*used, not created

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Butch women with amazing voices, part two.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Wrong link

Ally S
10 years ago

The debate about who can identify as butch or femme is contentious, but like a lot of other debates about identity, it is important. Even non-hetero and non-cis folks have engaged in intracommunal appropriation, such as drag queens using the word “tr*nny” for themselves and non-indigenous people identifying as two spirit. It may well be the case that butch and femme originated as terms for all non-hetero folks, but it also could be the case that the widespread adoption of butch and femme are acts of approptiation by non-lesbians (if one assumes that my position is true, that is).

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

I love movies, Cassandra, but I’m not especially excited about any new releases. Though I watched this Spanish film called “Fin,” that was, sorta, kinda about the end of the world as experienced through a group of friends. As of right now, I don’t know anyone else who has seen it — but I liked it very much.
I binge watched Showtime’s “Masters of Sex,” which was rather good. The setting is the late 50s and the protagonist is a Kinsey-like sex researcher (played by Michael Sheen) and a unconventional, proto-feminist who later becomes a sociology student (played by Lizzy Chaplin). I had no idea what the show was about before I saw some ads. Before that, I thought it was just some high quality porn. But hey, who knew?
The first episode really pulled me in. Sheen, playing Dr. William Masters, is at a brothel asking sex workers about this and that when he realizes many of them fake orgasms with clients.
“Why on earth would a woman fake an orgasm?” He asks one of the ladies.
She snickers, takes a drag on her cig, and says. “You need a partner, doc. Someone to help you with your research. A woman.”
And there’s lots of good stuff after that.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Montserrat Figueras:

http://youtu.be/g2_pvPBqahk

Loreena McKennitt:

http://youtu.be/eKfbVAO6VGA

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Has anyone seen the movie Absentia? I really recommend it to anyone who likes horror. It’s got a little bit of a Lovecraft vibe. It’s one of my favorite horror movies of the decade so far. The two main characters are women and neither get naked so it’s also misandry.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Shiraz – the series is about William Masters and Virginia Johnson, famous researchers in their own right.

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
10 years ago

Ughhh… I’m trying to write an essay atm and it’s just. not. coming. Like normally it isn’t that difficult to articulate (and ramble on about) what I’m trying to say, but this essay just isn’t working for me. And it’s so fascinating too, so I’m extremely frustrated with myself. And procrastinating, obviously.

kittehserf
10 years ago

What’s the topic, wewereemergencies?

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
10 years ago

@kittehs it’s “disillusionment with modernism from the 1970’s” (specifically in the architectural realm because that’s what I’m studying) and so I’m writing about Modernism’s corruption (from democratic to corporate default) and the forcing out of vernacular styles (which is really racist) and the lack of context (and therefore narrative) inherent in a refusal to consider history or the aforementioned vernacular styles, as well as the lack of focus of *humanity* that a lot of modernist designs have.

It’s not hard for me to write this. I’m really interested and I do have a lot to say, but it’s all so caught up in each other, that I feel like I’m repeating myself. It’s frustrating because I can write 600 words in 2 hours easily, but it looks like it’ll take me 4 days to write 1500 words. And I’m just…extremely frustrated with myself. Hence the rants, which I don’t think anyone really cares about. (well that and my love for this topic because it’s really great! Post modernism’s brilliant!)

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger.
Looks interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

@kitteh
I know! I just watched the entire first season.

My computer keeps crashing. I tried to post P.J. Harvey’s “50-foot-Queenie” and my PC just went asleep. It’s warm here, and I don’t think my computer likes it.

Unimaginative
10 years ago

Speaking of music, I kept hearing a song while I was travelling a couple of weeks ago, and I really liked it, but I have NO IDEA who it was. I’ve been going through top 40’s lists, and it’s not coming up, but all the pop is polluting my memory. Gah. (I normally listen to ckua, and their idea of heavy rotation is a song might be played 2 or 3 times in a week, if all the DJs really like it. I don’t even have a frame of reference.)

pallygirl
pallygirl
10 years ago

I Google the lyrics that I can remember to find out the song. I find this method pretty good even when I get some of the lyrics a bit wrong.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Shiraz – sorry, I thought from your comment about Kinsey-like researchers you didn’t know Masters and Johnson (which would be odd, admittedly).

Your computer is sensible. Maybe it’s planning to estivate this summer. πŸ˜›

wewereemergencies, that sounds really interesting! The takeover of modernism by corporations, especially. I am not a fan of modern architecture (surprise!), whether it’s concrete-and-steel office blocks (Melbourne’s CBD) or ugly or craptastic houses that take up an entire block and have no eaves, let alone verandahs, in this hot-and-getting-hotter country. It reminds me of a phrase from The Civil War we watched again the other night, about humans having had their Golden Ages and Bronze Ages and whatnot, while this (the 19th century) was the Age of Shoddy.

(Speaking of rants …)

Probably a trite suggestion, but if you’ve time, why not just take a bit of time off from thinking about the essay? I never find pushing to write helps, either. Do some guilt-free Mammotheering or cat cuddling or something. Or sit on a hard chair, light some scentedfuckingcandles and eat bon-bons.

Unimaginative
10 years ago

I can’t remember the lyrics. I just remember that I liked it, and it vaguely reminded me of the White Stripes, but less screechy. (I kind of enjoy a little screech with my rock…) It stood out from the overly-rhythmic, repetitive, boring stuff that causes me to not listen to top 40’s radio.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Oh, no worries, kitteh. πŸ™‚

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
10 years ago

@kittehs it is fascinating! Especially getting into all the ideology etc. behind it. Modernism did have its good points (it did revolutionize design and the philosophy was important) but as soon as it became the dominant style? A LOT of those ideas became corrupted (things like democracy/public housing don’t apply if you’re designing for the upper class). And I agree, Modernist houses are not good in Australia’s climate (actually one of my points! An inability to consider context in any way is really Modernism’s biggest problem) although I could see Modernist-inspired design adapted for our climate not completely sucking. But that would come under Post-Modernism because that’s partly what Post-Modernism’s about – taking lessons/ideas from other periods and adapting them for today.

Anyway, I’m at 1100 words, so I think I will stop for the day. I just hope tomorrow works out well. I’ve got other assignments to do that I suspect will take longer than they should.

kittehserf
10 years ago

D’you reckon the ghastly suburban houses we see now are any sort of style at all, wewereemergencies? They seem to belong to the school of shoddy (there are ones in Pakenham that started crumbling a year after being built) and greedy – make the house and garage ridiculously big and charge $$$$$$$$$ for them even in remote suburbs. Oh, and make them of such thin crappy materials that people run air-con all the time just to have white noise blocking out the neighbours (Caroline Springs, anyone?)

wewereemergencies
wewereemergencies
10 years ago

Oh yeah, those are definitely corrupted Modernism – I’m reluctant to call them Modernism proper, because it’s a lot more geometric, but it’s definitely a case of “well this sort of style is popular so let’s design something that looks like that without thinking about the underlying ideas”

It’s like pop music. There’s nothing wrong with designing something that a lot of people like – that’s really a mark of good design (and if you’re interested, architects like Le Corbusier defined Modernism – it may not be your cup of tea, but you can see *why* they were designing that way, what they were exploring, especially in relation to the default classical design). But when you’re copying an idea *because* it’s popular, you’re going to design something that’s crap.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Oh, I get why Modernism came to be – it’d be amazing if there wasn’t a strong reaction to the nineteenth century’s eclecticism, especially after WWI.

“Corrupted” is the best word for the junk buildings we see around, fersure. Boxes with doors and windows. Do actual architects even design some of them? The brag about “architect designed” (nearly wrote “arghitect” then, hello Freudian slip) in housing ads makes me think not. Production line houses, blah.

Actually I’m one of those saddos who likes Stockbroker’s Tudor. There were a few of them in Murrumbeena when I was a kid, and I had so. much. envy of them. I like a lot of 1920s-1930s housing styles, actually, though I don’t reckon they’d qualify as modern anything; they’re more throwbacks, generally.

Oh, and Federation aka Queen Anne. Love me some white woodwork. πŸ˜›

jules699
10 years ago

well I’m not going to reply to every single comment because you are quoting me out of context and the point is not a debate anymore.

How do you expect me to sympathies with your views when you keep mocking me, like I have to know your views on everything. How can I?

When I post a legit article or citation you refuse to read it with an unbiased view so I have to accept the arguments presented here alone are absolute fact. Im trying to understand YOUR view but I refuse to take it all as fact.

Please read the link below, its an introduction to human violence and causes. This is my background in regards to some studies regarding violence. I cant add more to this argument as everything I say is being distorted and regarded as trolling…

Thanks.

http://www.cis.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/2002/6/02.06.02.x.html

“Why People Act Violently

Have you ever wondered why violent people behave violently? Our brains are evolved to have the capacity to respond violently to certain situations. Although these instincts may have been adaptive at some time in our evolutionary past, in the modern environment, they may be destructive. Nevertheless, the propensity to violence is still wired into the structure of our brains by our genes. This does not mean that humans automatically engage in violence, but than we are more prone to violence than rationality would predict. We have the genetic structure to become violent.”

“Female Defense vs. Male in Bonobos

Bonobos, who are chimps and a relative to humans, seem to be gentler and less violence than chimpanzees and humans. For example, females cooperation is a major part of bonobos daily lives. They use coalitions to achieve their goals. When female enter adolescence, they leave their family, migrate to a new community, and settle there. Bonobos bond from experience, not from kinship. In addition, in bonobos party stability produces female power. For instance, in order for females to develop supportive relationships, they need to spend time together bonding. In intercommunity aggression, large party size protects individuals from lethal raiding. When ecological pressures kept females from forming effective alliances, they became vulnerable to males interested in guarding them. Pairs of females may be jointly aggressive toward individuals. However, most females spend their time alone.

There is an increase in violence among females according to experts. Female involvement in violence tends to respond to and be associated with the same conditions and circumstances as males. However, different from males, females tend to join gangs to be with their boyfriends who are in gangs. Not only do females join gangs to be with their boyfriends, but they join female gangs as well. In any case, patterns of violence among girls are no different then they are for males. They fight in the streets and schools and commit burglaries and other crimes. Female attitudes about crime and violence tend to be just as casual and absent of remorse as violent male teens.”

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