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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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hrovitnir
hrovitnir
10 years ago

Ee, baby cacti. <3 I love cacti and succulents. I pretty much can't keep plants alive (yes, including those) as a rule, but a co-worker gave me some succulents I've stuck in the garden and left alone, and they're growing. ^_^

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: WWTH

LBT is intolerant. He hasn’t even become a kitty avatar.

I SHALL NEVER CONFORM! IT IS MY GENDER ROLE!

RE: Argenti

I THINK I can harvest a tiny baby cactus if Sneak is interested.

Sneak makes big shiny goo-goo eyes and is highly interested, even though zie is also fairly sure zie will kill it by accident.

LBT — can androgynous genderqueers play too?

Of course!

RE: hrovitnir

LBT, you are super domineering. Yup, as clearly demonstrated in your behaviour. *pfft*

YOU DOUBT ME?

RE: katz

I call Spikey van Dykey.

She’s fictional, and has her own brand of femininity, but I call Sakura Oogami! (Seriously my favorite character of Dangan Ronpa.)

katz
10 years ago

LBT — can androgynous genderqueers play too?

Androgynous genderqueers are actively encouraged to play.

Actually I’ve got a genderqueer question: Can terms like “genderqueer” be applied to people who lived before the term was coined, and ergo did not apply it to themselves, or is it inherently wrong to apply identity terms to someone who did not self-identify with that term? What is the preferred way to talk about people whose gender identity was obviously more complex than “male” or “female,” but who lived before there was meaningful vocabulary to describe their identity?

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LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: pecunium

So you admit you aren’t clever enough to envision anything else, so that means it must be “TRUE”? The fuck?

Told you he was stupid.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: katz

What is the preferred way to talk about people whose gender identity was obviously more complex than “male” or “female,” but who lived before there was meaningful vocabulary to describe their identity?

Hmmm. Well, did their culture have a word for it? (This sounds stupid, but I have a big stack of old Jewish gender terms from my Princess and Monster research; it’s more common than you’d think!)

Ally S
10 years ago

I’m all for awesome masculine-presenting women, but I just want to note that butch and femme are terms for only lesbians.

Here’s my favorite.

jules699
10 years ago

1: We don’t say social heirachy is gender specific. We say the deterministic model you propose is bullshit. There is a difference.

2: The saying it exists is obvious. The question before isn’t that it exists, nor even why, but what its nature is. You argue that it’s Alpha Male, dominance by violence, and that some study somewhere might prove it, so it must be.

I already said society can affect it. We are not bound by it but it gives a clue as to why violence can be more common amongst males. I didn’t mean people and men specifically have to abide by it. Most of this argument was in regards to a presence of social hierarchy. Earlier this was rejected.

hrovitnir
hrovitnir
10 years ago

LBT… that was the best use of that video ever. <3

Ally S
10 years ago

What is the preferred way to talk about people whose gender identity was obviously more complex than “male” or “female,” but who lived before there was meaningful vocabulary to describe their identity?

Non-binary.

pecunium
10 years ago

Jules:

I should have specified that I mean radical third wave feminism thats recent. That’s the one that is getting most momentum among the younger generation.

Citations, or it didn’t happen.

Men are ALREADY being held accountable for their actions. Don’t lie,

So are are going to admit Rodger committed his crimes because of his misogyny?

You are going to say that Thomas Ball deserved to be sent to an anger management class?

You are going to militate for those who commit sex without getting consent being tried for rape?

When you’ve done that, in public places, then you can climb onto your high horse and come back with the, “Men are being held accountable for their actions.” Until then you are either a clueless git, or a liar (both is, of course, always an option).

How far back do you care to go to find the origin? I mean how is this useful? I think the current trend is enough to say those specific religions are misogynist.

Which would be true IF that were the argument. Since it’s not the argument, it’s an invalid response. The argument was that the cultures in which the religion originated were misogynist. The religion incorporated them.

At which point they became “sacred” and a positive feedback loop was created; so making it easier for misogyny to perpetuate itself.

Do try to keep up.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Damn, Jules is really getting desperate for attention. Trying this hard is undignified, dude. This is you.

Ally S
10 years ago

I would add that competition for resources affects these systems as well. The notion of wealth forces people find ways to gather wealth through legal and illegal means and that results in classes in which the wealthy have to oppress the poor to maintain status.
Do you agree?

Not really. I don’t believe there is some singular notion of wealth that catalyzes the establishment of capitalism. Nor do I believe that illegality is the basis on which this appropriation of resources is based. I don’t think capitalism is unfair because it’s illegal – I think it’s unfair because I think it’s a system of exploitation.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Ally

I just want to note that butch and femme are terms for only lesbians.

Really? I saw it written in pre-Stonewall gay male stuff too.

RE: hrovitnir

LBT… that was the best use of that video ever.

Not gonna lie, Mammoth is part of how I was able to ditch the machismo act after years of practice. It’s fun to be able to admit I’m a little squeaky-toy frog! (And go figure, the one time I’m told I’m testosterone-poisoned is here!)

RE: cassandrakitty

This is you.

Audrey II is WAY too cool to be Jules. He really is more like the protagonist of Fat White Vampires Blues, who was basically a vampire version of Ignatius from Confederacy of Dunces.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Granted that Audrey can sing and is evil in a diabolically funny rather than dull way.

Unimaginative
10 years ago

@LBT:

It might also be worth remembering that there was a huge population bottleneck after that super volcano eruption approximately 60,000 years ago (IIRC).

It would be interesting to see an alternate reality where that never happened. We might have had more diversity.

via weirwoodtreehugger

I’d love to see a sketch of non-supervolcano human diversity. Was that before or after humans interbred with neanderthals? I wonder if there was interbreeding with other humanish species?

pecunium
10 years ago

Jules:

because I am male I must be trying to convince myself that violence is okay otherwise

Dude… I’m male. I was professionally violent for a living. I was a soldier. I have an intimate acquaintance with violence. You don’t understand it.

That’s why people are telling you you’re wrong. It’s not that you are male, it’s that you are wrong.

its hard to outline exactly what feminism is or is trying to accomplish.

I can tell you: Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.

I already said society can affect it.

Before you were arguing that it was immutable, because, “Biology”. Then you said you can’t imagine any other way for it to be.

So, my dear boy, which is it. Is it an immutable aspect of being a social primate (as you argued two days ago), or is it a social construst which can be changed.

If the latter, why are you opposed to those who want to change it?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Not butch but I love…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Butches with amazing voices?

(I love this song.)

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Jules is so purposefully obtuse, he’s non-Euclidean geometry.

RE: Unimaginative

Thanks! I shall add it to the list and get to work on it. That’ll be a fun prompt.

Ally S
10 years ago

@LBT

Really? I saw it written in pre-Stonewall gay male stuff too.

I don’t have any sources on hand right now, but as I understand it, femme and butch originated as lesbians used to describe expressions of gender centered around an adoption of “non-oppressive” femininity and masculinity. The terms were especially important because lesbians sought to define their own identity expressions, to the greatest extent possible, outside the confines of relations to male power.

I guess this is a contentious matter, but I contend that those terms are only for lesbians. At the very least, it seems that the terms are restricted to non-hetero folks.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Has the troll thanked any of you yet for engaging with him? I mean, in meatspace I’m sure people just walk away.
Most of his posts are “PAY ATTENTION TO ME” followed by goalpost shifts/goofball theories/sexism. Then back to, “YES! CONTINUE TO PAY ATTENTION TO ME!”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I’m far more interested in any music/movie recommendations people might have than in feeding the giant gaping hole in Jules’s ego, no matter how much he might feel it deserves to be fed.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Ally

At the very least, it seems that the terms are restricted to non-hetero folks.

Yeah, that I can agree with. Because I remember reading some oldass book in the library from gay men of the 30s through 50s using the term butch and femme, and I know that stud/femme still exists today in queer male dynamics.

Plus lesbians only really causes me doubt, since then there are bisexual women and trans people who transition from or to the lesbian scene and ehhhhnnnnk.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Plus all the non-binary butches in the world, where butch IS their gender identity…

RE: cassandrakitty

Ummm, Wild Zero! The best zombie/UFO/rock&roll/trans romance movie ever to come out of Japan!

kittehserf
10 years ago

Also I just realized how much that part of 2001 looks like a Monty Python skit.

2001 would be vastly improved if John Cleese narrated it.

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