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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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Ally S
10 years ago

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contrapangloss
10 years ago

171!!!!!!!!

Fade
10 years ago

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Ally S
10 years ago

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contrapangloss
10 years ago

174!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

… Which just happened to be the show number for a sweet sorrel quarter horse I know, back home.

Hugs to Shirley, may you have fun learning to be a fabulous Reiner. I will give you many carrots, next time I see you… Whenever that will be.

jules699
10 years ago

It’s fascinating how wedded to the concept that men are naturally violent and abusive Jules is, and how hard he’s trying to convince himself that that provides some sort of evolutionary advantage. It might almost lead a person to suspect that Jules himself is violent and abusive.

Oh look wow, how smart you are. You are used to making up bullshit facts and judging everyone. Its fun.

I never said violence in men alone is an evolutionary advantage. I said violence is evident throughout human history. You only label men as violent and condemn it but when presented with evidence of female violence you get uncomfortable and refute all evidence. That’s cute.

I dont support violence or rape in any form yet you keep telling yourself I must be pro violence because I admit of its natural occurrence in human society regardless of gender or biased ideologies. But thats okay right? because I am male I must be trying to convince myself that violence is okay otherwise I would be following your path of male shaming and blaming because after all that is the only solution to the problem.

http://listverse.com/2012/12/29/10-american-female-serial-killers/

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

My name is Jules and I am very upset! Watch me flail defensively!

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jules699
10 years ago

“Men are violent. But we can’t blame men for violence, because men have to fulfill a violent masculine social role. But we can’t expect men or society to change, because this social role is genetically programmed.”

This basically seems to be Jules’s argument.

Nope, not even close. Im saying HUMANS are violent, therefore any solution to the problem should focus on human violence. I dont see how by blaming one gender and scapegoating the other gender you can hope to solve the problem.

Your argument is this:

-Violence in men is a complete social behavior (reasons for this are vague, movies, TV, American culture, patriarchy) even though evidence of violence in human history goes as far as our cavemen ancestors. ( fossil and bone evidence).

– the cure to mens violence is through feminism in which mens problems are insignificant and irrelevant and focusing on women’s issues by shaming men as w whole will reduce the problem. So in other words men cant be expected to recognize their faulty nature without women pointing it out for them. Therefore, Women should control, dictate and legislate everything to keep men on a straight path.

jules699
10 years ago

My name is Jules and I am very upset! Watch me flail defensively!blockquote>

That’s not an argument. Time to grow up kitty!

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Hold on a minute.

Jules, have you read what you wrote all those pages ago? I’m not buying this sudden heel-face maneuver.

Then again, I’m a bit lacking on trust and patience at the moment.

Anyone with a keyboard feel like stringing all of Jules back to back and doing a contradiction sweep? Phones make such work even more tedious than the preexisting extreme tediousness ratings would merit.

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jules699
10 years ago

Go ahead make up a 100 excuses for every single female serial killer I linked in my last post.
Patriarchy, misogyny etc..blah blah blah..

I like to see someone justify the actions of those woman.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Hmm. I’ve just been reading the comments policy page.

Beyond that: If you’re especially, or persistently, offensive, disruptive, or tedious, I’ll put you on moderation, which means your comments won’t go up until I get a chance to look at them, and maybe not even then. Things I find especially tedious include arguing for the sake of arguing, painfully literal thinking, and people who take over threads by posting dozens or even hundreds of comments in a day. In real life, that would be considered boorish behavior, and it’s really no different online.

Has Jules hit the “persistently tedious” benchmark yet? (I’d have thought he reached that on his first day here: he’s so boring I haven’t even kept up with this thread.)

Ally S
10 years ago

the cure to mens violence is through feminism in which mens problems are insignificant and irrelevant and focusing on women’s issues by shaming men as w whole will reduce the problem.

Not even misandric radical feminists think that shaming all men will solve the problem of male violence. Have you read any feminist literature at all?

So in other words men cant be expected to recognize their faulty nature without women pointing it out for them. Therefore, Women should control, dictate and legislate everything to keep men on a straight path.

Men don’t have a faulty nature because they don’t have a nature at all. They are a socially constructed category just like women. Generally speaking, feminists call out misogyny and critique the system on which such misogyny is based in hopes of creating awareness of the patriarchy. So they don’t care about establishing some hegemonic discourse with men in order to force them to change for women’s own purposes. Again, have you read any feminist literature at all?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

At least he’s started feeding the blockquote monster, I guess.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

No, those women were bad. Murder is bad. Why would I want to excuse a murderer, regardless of gender?

That’s what you’ve been doing, and I find that abhorrent.

Ally S
10 years ago

Go ahead make up a 100 excuses for every single female serial killer I linked in my last post.

Thanks. I don’t think anyone is up for that though since they aren’t apologetic towards murderers in the first place.

Ally S
10 years ago

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marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

Why would I be cool with serial killing on the basis of gender? That’s pretty fucking stupid. One does not kill serially in self defence.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

H
Jules, we can go back and read your words:

– Humans are inherently violent, males specifically alpha’s show more violence.
– Rodger was motivated by jealousy, anger and a sense of entitlement which according to him other successful men fueled in him.
– Male entitlement is real although I dont see it as men inherently feeling entitled to women. I see it as men being pressured to get married and to start a family. Also women. So I see both men and women feeling entitled to having a family. Difference being that this guy was mental for a while before he commit-ed these crimes. He never got help, so his profile sounds like a typical schizo believing his own delusions. At that point he might as well claim to be a prophet with an important agenda which he kind of did.

A couple days ago you were trying to prove that all males from every primate species are similar, and that male chimpanzees are violent, and that human society is just like chimpanzee society.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

178.

Ally S
10 years ago

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jules699
10 years ago

Not even misandric radical feminists think that shaming all men will solve the problem of male violence. Have you read any feminist literature at all?

I should have specified that I mean radical third wave feminism thats recent. That’s the one that is getting most momentum among the younger generation.

The actions are different than the literature. Problem is whenever you confront anyone they claim thats not really feminism.

Regarding misogyny, the most profound establishment behind it seem to be religion. How come thats not the direct target of the movement?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

(Flaility flail flail. If these women stop talking to me my life will be worthless!)

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sparky
sparky
10 years ago

– the cure to mens violence is through feminism in which mens problems are insignificant and irrelevant and focusing on women’s issues by shaming men as w whole will reduce the problem. So in other words men cant be expected to recognize their faulty nature without women pointing it out for them. Therefore, Women should control, dictate and legislate everything to keep men on a straight path.

Haha. And here we have the real reason that troll’s pissy.

He thinks holding men accountable for their actions is shaming men.

He thinks that identifying cultural misogyny and toxic masculinity as social constructs that actually, physically harm women and as things that need to be changed is women having all the power.

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