Categories
a voice for men ableism advocacy of violence alpha males antifeminism armageddon creepy empathy deficit entitlement evil sexy ladies evil women FemRAs FeMRAsplaining fidelbogen grandiosity hypergamy imaginary oppression incel irony alert judgybitch lying liars men who should not ever be with women ever misogyny MRA narcissism oppressed men playing the victim PUAhate racism taking pleasure in women's pain terrorism

Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

1.9K Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

What I find strange is that a minority of humans are left handed but in most mammals the left to right dominance is about 50/50. It’s weird.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

I have grown impatient with evolution and hope to soon become a head in a jar and then, a cyborg.

Wait. No I don’t. Cyborgs can’t eat burritos.

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

According to Futurama, heads in jars just eat flake fish food. 🙁

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

WWTH — I know lefties have faced stigma as being evil (the word sinister? It’s Latin for left), wonder how far back that goes and how severe it was.

Oh, hey, there’s another way genes happen — social pressures that may actually be disadvantage via reduction in genetic diversity.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Flake fish food is shitty nutrition, I’m a fan of the tetramin crisps myself. And their color enhancing whatever it is. The little red pellets that the cories seem to think are fishie crack.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Fade, Likewise I once watched The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau. I am now a marine biologist.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Truefax!

marinerachel
marinerachel
10 years ago

A really good flake food is great but you should shake it up regularly with pellets and worms.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

It might also be worth remembering that there was a huge population bottleneck after that super volcano eruption approximately 60,000 years ago (IIRC).

It would be interesting to see an alternate reality where that never happened. We might have had more diversity.

Fade
10 years ago

@ lea

i now defer to your greater wisdom 🙂

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

It would be interesting to see an alternate reality where that never happened. We might have had more diversity.

OOooOOOooo….somebody talented and smart make that alt history fiction happen! I would read/watch the shit out of that.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Marinerachael — they get their fair share of frozen brine shrimp when Puff is done eating his fill 🙂

The danios treat that like their fishie crack. Which is to say nothing of Puff’s attempts to eat the pipette I dispense them from!

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Sorry.
Forgot to blockquote.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Which is to say nothing of Puff’s attempts to eat the pipette I dispense them from!

awwww…..

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Argenti, you’ve got the main gist! It gets spectacularly more complicated though.

Even advantageous genes will sometimes disappear, just by pure bad luck. This ‘Genetic Drift’ is more common in smaller populations, but can happen in big ones, too.

Also, a ‘good’ gene will sometimes be position ally linked to a ‘bad’ gene, and shenanigans can ensue. It can drive the disappearance of he good gene, or the continued existence of the deleterious, or a sort of wacky equilibrium.

Or recessive bad genes will just hang out, quietly, in the dark, waiting for two heterozygous individuals at that locus to meet… I played with some simulations where I made a recessive allele absolutely stink for my phony-critters survival as a homework project. I ran the simulations for a good million years, and the stinking gene was still there in low quantities.

Seriously, the gene killed all homozygous recessives, yet it still persisted! Curse you, completely recessive deleterious alleles!

Or, screwier yet, a mutation will be detrimental in two ‘doses’, advantageous in one, and just sort of meh with none. Sickle-cell anemia works that way.

Evolution is a complicated beastie, where generally selection works to make a species better adapted to the present conditions. Selection is powerful, but randomness happens. Also, evolution cannot predict changing conditions. Quite a few major extinctions happened, due to sudden climactic shifts. Even relatively small changes can screw more specialized species up.

Really, I wouldn’t want to put all of my eggs in evolutions’s basket.

Ally S
10 years ago

Social hierarchy is not gender specific. That’s your assumption. I’m saying it exists in both male/female social groups.

Nope. Male/female social groups are social constructs as well.

contrapangloss
10 years ago

:: takes off evo-nerd out cap ::

168?

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Lea, try some David Attenborough!

Cousteau is so 1970’s.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

It’s fascinating how wedded to the concept that men are naturally violent and abusive Jules is, and how hard he’s trying to convince himself that that provides some sort of evolutionary advantage. It might almost lead a person to suspect that Jules himself is violent and abusive.

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

WWTH, I’ve read about that bottleneck. According to one theory, it may actually have increased human diversity by creating many small localized populations. There are so many variables involved, which is part of what makes the science so intriguing.

Imagine if agriculture had been developed by one group just before the explosion, and they were all killed before it could spread? vs. They survived, and the Neolithic period started 50kya.

Argenti, the fact that reproductive fitness is one of the main issues in natural selection is a very good point. Anything that impedes the creation of a healthy next generation is going to be a problem. We, as a species, seem to have that one nailed down. It makes me feel better about not reproducing myself, although I am raising children despite that.

Ally S
10 years ago

I love it when evo psych enthusiast dudebros say that gender is just the system of sex-specific roles and that it is sex that is permanent, before society, and not socially constructed. And then have the nerve to think that their views are epistemically privileged because of the supposedly pre-discursive nature of the category of sex. I’ll quote Monique Wittig here:

The perenniality of the sexes and the perenniality of slaves and masters proceed from the same belief, and, as there are no slaves without masters, there are no women without men. The ideology of sexual difference functions as censorship in our culture by masking, on the ground of nature, the social opposition between men and women. Masculine/feminine, male/female are the categories which serve to conceal the fact that social differences always belong to an economic, political, ideological order. Every system of domination establishes divisions at the material and economic level. Furthermore, the divisions are abstracted and turned into concepts by the masters, and later on by the slaves when they rebel and start to struggle. The masters explain and justify the established divisions as a result of natural differences. The slaves, when they rebel and start to struggle, read social oppositions into the so-called natural differences.

For there is no sex. There is but sex that is oppressed and sex that oppresses. It is oppression that creates sex and not the contrary. The contrary would be to say that sex creates oppression, or to say that the cause (origin) of oppression is to be found in sex itself, in a natural division of the sexes preexisting (or outside of) society.

Ally S
10 years ago

Oh, and here’s the link to the source. I recommend everyone reads it: http://myveryprivatemap.blogspot.com/2012/08/monique-wittig-category-of-sex-19761982.html

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Men are violent. But we can’t blame men for violence, because men have to fulfill a violent masculine social role. But we can’t expect men or society to change, because this social role is genetically programmed.”

This basically seems to be Jules’s argument.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

169

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

“What I Did On My Summer Vacation – The Justifying Shitty Behavior On The Internetz Edition”

1 61 62 63 64 65 76