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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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Ally S
10 years ago

42 (indeed)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Yes Marie! Everyone but the fool who spent the day trying to login to my BF’s company site as me can have cookies. (To said fool — if you’re the same fool who attempted to dox me when I launched the Borg, give it up, you’re only wasting your time. Oh, and giving me your IP.)

kittehserf
10 years ago

I’m now picturing pecunium on the sky blue Vespa I want, in the kilt et al he wore at his wedding. Thank you for that image, it’s hilarious!

😀 My pleasure!

I’d love a little Vespa, if I was game to go on the roads at all – though I imagine I’d need a refill every time I wanted to get to town! But any sort of motorbike is waaaaay too dangerous for my liking, given what shitbags so many Melbourne drivers are.

Not that I could afford one anyway, so it’s all moot.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@argenti

yay cookies! *omnomnom*

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pecunium
10 years ago

You will never see me on a scooter with a kilt. All the Gear, All the Time.

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contrapangloss
10 years ago

Shoot. Well, that was sad. Sorry, folks.

I had typed a long response to our dear tell, but WordPress ate it.

The sparknotes version:

Humans are social, but alpha structures are not inherent, and cannot be presumed as it is not present in many other primates. Furthermore, it is not a structure found across all human societies.

Data about prehistoric societies is scarce, and the archeological community admits that many interpretations have been biased, and need reconsidering. We cannot make claims about all human societies, because the generalizations fail.

Alpha is only used without snickers in biology (for the most part) when dealing with distinct phenotypic subtypes. If humans were isopods, trolley would have a point.

Troll needs to quit evopsyching, until he at least reads sociobiology.

Ally S
10 years ago

42 again

contrapangloss
10 years ago

Sorry that was way overdue. Had phone in pocket, went to groceries. Realized I hadn’t hit post. 🙁

contrapangloss
10 years ago

43 (tentative toe poke back into game)

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@contrapangloss

it’s okay 🙂 It still applies.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

fourty four

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

From “Derailing for Dummies,” for all the people who want us to believe men are naturally violent and we should shut-up and except that — based on arbitrary studies about monkeys. Then follow up with the claim that they do not think violence against women is OK, but, hey come on, men are meant to be violent, you know? Oh, and here’s an article that backs up my opinion, yes it backs up what I personally believe, but you shouldn’t mistrust me for that — I’m just trying to tell you people how to feel and think about whatever issue is being discussed.

“I’m Just Saying What Other People Believe. I Never Said I Agree
This technique is a great little duck and dodge if you’re feeling slightly set-upon. Often times in these conversations and dealing with the backlash, you can begin to feel a little uncomfy in your bigoted conviction. This is not a nice thing for a Privileged Person® to experience. After all, it’s really important that everyone everywhere ever thinks you’re totally wonderful. Popularity is a very important thing to have in this modern world – it proves things about you. Proves that you’re popular.And, you don’t really want everyone to think you’re a total douchebag, not even hostile, whiney Marginalised People™ whose opinions and feelings don’t really count. No, the most important thing is that even as you rattle off a bunch of offensive, demeaning opinions, that you are still able to convince people that you’re really a very wonderful person.

The problem with rattling off a bunch of offensive, demeaning opinions is that somebody somewhere – usually a person from the group who is the target of your expressed sentiments – is not going to be fooled by your magical Privilege wondercoat and is going to see you for the scumbag you really are. And they’re going to object.

And this may slightly rock your perception of reality.

That’s when you can pretend – oh no, no, no – it wasn’t that you were stating your opinion, you were just repeating what ‘other people’ believe – hey you could even throw in a little indignant outrage here: “HOW dare you imply I agree with them!”

With this tactic you can bait and switch at almost any point in “the Game”. It’s an easy out – make some moronic comment about how it’s a natural biological urge for women to have children? Naaaah, that’s just how most people feel! State some incredibly nasty belief that all trans women have a slightly ‘mannish’ cast about them? It’s not that you agree, it’s just that you’ve heard so many other people say it. Or how about something brimming with hate, like how ‘in general’, black folks would ‘rather’ get a free handout than work? That’s not your opinion, it’s just a commonly-held belief!

This tactic pretty much gives you a free pass to say whatever venomous, hateful, bigoted opinion you can think of – because when called on it, you can just deny, deny, deny.”

Jules? This is you. For the past four pages or so.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

And for Jules and the other trolls who post, “Your as bad as Rodger!”
We’re not fooled. We know you’re sexist and bigoted, and you’re trying to reverse the blame, this entry describes you too:

“You’re As Bad As They Are!
Definitely one of the last tactics you should bring out if you’re finding that the Marginalised Person™ is simply relentless and you are running out of options.This one is an outright insult. By now they have probably ripped all your prejudices apart and harshly criticised both your attitudes and the Privileged® system you reside within. You are probably taking it very personally because it’s shaking the foundations of your beliefs and making you confront aspects of your own behaviour and nature that you would rather not.That’s when you say to them: you are just as bad as the people who oppress you!

Because they’re angry about the treatment they undergo and because they are aggressive and persistent in wanting to see change happen, you can target this behaviour (remembering that it is unseemly for Marginalised People™ – they’re supposed to set an example at all times by being humble and long-suffering) by suggesting it puts them on a par with the people and system that stigmatise, ostracise and target them every second of every day of their lives. This also suggests that reacting to such discrimination is totally unreasonable and out of proportion (they should just take their knocks!) and that has the benefit of indicating your ignorance to just how pervasive and constant this discrimination truly is.

This one is important if you really want to demonstrate what a scumbag you are so do be careful to whip it out at precisely the right moment. Used correctly and it can be something of a slamdunk!”

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Pecunium — you’re supposed to post the next number in the series, you’ve now broken it twice by randomly going to 41. Unless the goal is to get 42 over and over again…no. Scroll back until you find 1 2 3 3 1 2 2 1 1 type incidents to see why I’m a trifle annoyed.

Also 45

kittehserf
10 years ago

You will never see me on a scooter with a kilt. All the Gear, All the Time.

I’d love to see a scooter with a kilt, tho’. 😛

Trolls, chronically unable to make up their minds whether AMALT, because biotruths and nature and women should do the natural thing and let them fuck us ‘cos that’s the only thing that stops men naturally being violent to us, or whining that NAMALT and handwaving away all evidence of male violence because they, personally, are WhiteKnightNiceGuys who would never do such things, and any man who does must be a psycho, so what are you silly women worried about, and btw can you tell me how to get a date?

kittehserf
10 years ago

46

contrapangloss
10 years ago

47

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

48

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

49

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

50!!!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Aka SAVE!! >.<;

kittehserf
10 years ago

51

katz
10 years ago

You guys are kicking ass as this game. 52, and don’t everyone stay up all night (nor get annoyed at Pecunium; he wasn’t here when we explained the rules).

katz
10 years ago

You know, I really wish people wouldn’t think of axe-murderers with schizophrenia and they’d know more folks like John Nash who never harmed anybody and went about their lives as best they could.

Seriously, my sympathy to schizophrenic folks. They are probably the folks most stereotyped as dangerous. Poor bastards.

I had a schizophrenic grandmother who was also a devout Catholic. Her most common delusion was that she was a saint. She thought that she could do miracles and heal people who were sick or hurt.

So, in my personal experience, if you are a nice person and also schizophrenic, you will have delusions about doing nice things for people.

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mildlymagnificent
10 years ago

So, in my personal experience, if you are a nice person and also schizophrenic, you will have delusions about doing nice things for people.

Yeah. Weird sometimes. There was an old dear at the church we took the kids to. She had a form of religious mania. She’d make chocolate butterfly cakes with raspberry jam and whipped cream to give the “poor little children” who were going to Sunday School rather than parish school. Of course, she said this earnestly and sincerely to us – the parents depriving these poor infants of a proper Catholic upbringing.

But her mania only occasionally resulted in these sorts of faux pas. She was kind and gentle all the time and only occasionally said something really stupid.

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