When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
I know at least two schizophrenic people, and while they have done some shitty things in the past, I don’t think it was their mental disability that was the cause.
Jules: 1. single female and her offspring
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2. monogamous click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced family group
5. multimale-multifemale group
3. polyandrous click this icon to hear the preceding term pronounced family group
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So the, “Denying the alpha male/female structure is not very scientific of you as the evidence is overwhelming. nonsense is proven to be nonsense in the reference you tried to use (it’s also not a citation. It’s a precis of a whole lot of things, as an info page it suffers from the same problem of your newspaper links).
Every misogynist with a case of the “I am nothing like that guy because I’m not crazy“s needs to drink a big ol’ glass of self awareness. Perhaps with a chaser of shut up forever juice.
How many times does it need be explained that Rodger’s behavior actually rules out a psychotic break?
People having a psychotic break are not rational and can not grasp reality. It is rare for an act of violence to occur, but when it does, they do not plan in advance, cover up the crime and are not aware it is legally and morally wrong. The leaving of a manifesto and a YouTube video suggests he was completely sane.
I really wish people would at least Google the terms schizophrenic and psychotic before internet diagnosing.
“And you don’t know jack shit about schizophrenia either. Big surprise. See, the reason you’re getting insulted and mocked (which, might I add, is what our site is about, mocking misogyny) is because all day, you’re pulling the equivalent of walking into a high-level class about philosophy and going, “Hey guys, have you ever thought about what if the blue YOU see isn’t the blue I see?” and then waiting for us to fall all over your genius.”
Oh how nice. Nope , you are not providing evidence that this was misogyny alone sorry. could care less if your buddies agree or not. You are saying the sky is purple and you are refusing to look at the sky in this case.
Most of the articles on the web are talking about his mental health rather than misogyny as cause. You are literally as loony as him when it comes to your judgment.
Dr Annie Hickox a known neuropsychologist doesn’t agree with you. Find me a neuropsychologist that agrees with your view…oh and CITATION PLEASE!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/misogyny-mental-illness
@weirwoodtreehugger
Asperger’s syndrome, a neurodevelopmental disorder characterised by impaired social behaviour, often with rigidly held distorted ideas regarding interpersonal relationships.
@jules
haven’t we already hit that ‘news article’ doesn’t nessicarily mean ‘credible citation’.
also, just fuck off. Seriously, no one wants you here, and I’ve been stuck with enough ableist trolls. You’re not bringing anything new to the table.
also, troll:
Shooter: I did it because I hate women.
News people + troll + jackasses: SO IT MUST BE MENTAL ILLNESSES
You guys constantly deny misogyny while having to pin it on something, anything, else.
Fuck off
Dumbass,
That tiny little blurb says nothing about schizophrenia. It discusses Asperger’s. The problem is, his family suspected he didn’t have an official diagnosis.
Also, autism is a neurological disorder not a mental illness.
Fuck you for claiming autism causes violence. It does not. My brother is autistic and he’s so gentle that every single cat and dog he comes across flock to him. He holds no misogynistic views and would never murder someone. He can’t even watch news coverage of wars.
Jules: I dont have to ignore certain facts because its inconvenient to my ideology.
No. You just ignore the ones which prove you to be wrong.
And then lie about what you saw.
LOL that the troll is mansplaining autism to someone with autism in her family and a psychology degree.
Jules: -I didn’t say accept my argument, but to leave room for one.
We did. We let you make it. Then we disproved it. Then you could have made another one. You didn’t. You pretended you weren’t shown to be wrong. Then you lied about what was said (both by you, and to you).
For some reason people didn’t take that kindly.
You want to pretend that not accepting errors and lies = intolerance.
Aint. Gonna. Happen.
Oh look: Oh how nice. Nope , you are not providing evidence that this was misogyny alone sorry.
Jules, you need to leave room for our arguments, right? Only fair, right?
Oh, no, you don’t; because you aren’t here to debate. You have an ideé fixe and it’s that misogyny had nothing to do with it. The world is full of violence, because men are violent, and we just have to accept it.
Anything else is folly.
We don’t share your low opinin of men. We think they are are capable of being fair to everyone. We accept that society (from millennia of habit) has created a social structure which is tolerant of males being violent, esp. to women, and that needs to change.
You don’t.
So which of us thinks men suck?
I had to snort (and it’s wrong, I know it, but the irony was palpable).
often with rigidly held distorted ideas regarding interpersonal relationships.
RE: Jules
You are literally as loony as him when it comes to your judgment.
Yes, actually. I am. I’m legalized, bona fide, certified mentally ill. I’ve BEEN psychotic. It’s how I lost my last job and my last home.
I did not do what Andy did, because part of being psychotic is being unable to grasp reality. I could barely cross a street or walk home without getting terribly confused or distracted; I CERTAINLY couldn’t plan out a mass shooting, announce my intent to do so over an extended period of time, and then act it out. That required planning, sanity I just did not have.
I actually know what it is like to be Crazy. I know what it is like to believe irrational, patently untrue things (in my case, that everyone I knew would’ve been happier if I was dead). You don’t. You can’t even tell the difference between Asperger’s and psychosis! That’s EMBARASSING. That’s like not knowing the difference between a zebra and a rhino. And you expect me to have a serious argument with you?
You’re stupid, Jules. You’re stupid, short-sighted, and completely unaware of both. I am a lunatic, fresh out of homelessness, and I pity you. My only hope is that you really are fourteen, so at least I have an excuse of youth for your embarrassing behavior.
Because, gobshite, the “opposing view” is that women are not equal to men.
So go fuck yourself with Legos, sonny.
There’s something really pathetic about making up some criteria for what makes a person mentally ill just so you can look at yourself and say “nope, I’m not crazy, I’m ‘normal;'” and then, after you’ve already firmly put yourself in the not-mentally-ill camp, adding another criterion which is “being capable of committing mass-murder.” That way you can tell yourself that it would be impossible for you to ever kill anyone.
Boring troll is boring. Also, 24.
Boring troll is too stupid or lazy even to learn to blockquote. Colour me surprised.
Blockquote? He hasn’t even mastered the use of the quotation marks on his keyboard.
25 and waiting for Jules to decide that I’m now so crazy that nothing I say means anything. (If it means he stops talking and goes away from “saner” company, that’d be awesome.)
::snicker::
26
Have we tried bras yet? Maybe detailed descriptions of digestive system related problems?
27
Oh gods, I got one of those KFC bowls earlier and ate the whole damned thing and spent the next hour so stuffed that I was burping stomach acid!
…we are talking about digestive systems right?