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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Maybe we can cast him right back into whatever hole he crawled out of.

A. Noyd
A. Noyd
10 years ago

I wonder how many of these MRA sorts denying Rodger’s misogyny have called or would call Valerie Solanas a misandrist.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

Fun fact about PUAhate: Rodger debated a poster with the handle “Sodiniwasright” on that forum. In 2009, George Sodini shot up a women’s aerobic class at a shopping mall fitness center, killing three women, injuring nine people and then committed suicide. So there was a PUAhater poster who was glorifying a misogynistic mass murderer and it wasn’t the future misogynistic mass murderer.

Fun fact about Google: If you google “George Sodini” the first thing that came up is his name and the second thing is “George Sodini blog”. The third is “George Sodini hero”.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

“I wish MRAs/PUAs would admit to the fact that it was their ideology that led to this tragedy.”

By all means, people, let’s keep on casting about for someone to blame.

MRA logic: It’s wrong to blame misogyny for anything, but feel free to blame women for ruining everything just by being women.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Actually, I find Sodini posts triggering. I once got into it with another poster who kept sympathizing with the man, in a “Aw shucks, can you really blame him for murdering women, fellas?” kind of way. I mean, I just lost it.
Also, they really think lack of sex was the problem. If Sodini/Rodger had as much sex as possible, they’d be stable and just dandy. These guys don’t even like the idea of going to sex workers. They want validation and other weird stuff.

Ally S
10 years ago

By all means, people, let’s keep on casting about for someone to blame.

Yep, it’s their fucking fault. It’s also this culture’s fault for enabling this man’s violence in the first place.

augochlorella
10 years ago

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,”…

I’m not usually surprised by anything these guys say anymore, but this one made me sit down.

greydawnbreaking
greydawnbreaking
10 years ago

Maybe someone’s answered this, but any theories as to the symbolism of the single tombstone on the male side of “After Elliot Rodger Revolution”? Is it supposed to be himself, the “brutal males,” or just to illustrate how violently women would defend themselves before they could be properly crushed?

Anna Feruglio
10 years ago

While I think it is wise and urgent to denounce misogyny, I wouldn’t link or quote the rants of mass killers, because, and I say this with no trace of irony, it only encourages them. I have never I my life agreed with the Wall Street Journal, but in this case I do: http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303309504579181702252120052

kittehserf
10 years ago

I was wondering about that single tombstone too, greydawnbreaking. I’d guess it’s for the “brutal males” because there’d hardly be a revolution if Rodgers had killed himself.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Isn’t it for himself, since he wasn’t really planning to come out of this great revolution of his alive? Hard to be a proper martyr if you survive.

Ally S
10 years ago

I’m guessing that the tombstone on the male side represents that of a “beta male” who he thinks has perpetrated “injustice” by virtue of having a girlfriend.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I thought he had to be alive if he was going to run his revolution – after all those evil Other Men wouldn’t be doing it without his superior white dudely leadership.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I figured he intended to go out in a blaze of glory, thus enshrining himself as the hero of the revolution and all that crap.

Jay
Jay
10 years ago

Rodger’s doesn’t have Asperger Syndrome – his parents said this but later corrected themselves, this may be due to their ignorance of autism or due to the false stereotype between male autistics and mass shootings.

It’s important to note that even if he was autistic, autism doesn’t have anything to do with what he did – media like using autism as a reason for shootings, they use the word ‘autism’ unnecessarily in headlines which does nothing but play to harmful stereotypes. Being autistic doesn’t make someone a mass shooter, in fact statistically neurotypical people are far more likely to commit this type of crime and autistic people are far more likely to be victims. I know you’re not suggesting otherwise, but unfortunately many others do.

kittehserf
10 years ago

He didn’t even manage the mass murder the way he intended, because the women at the sorority house wouldn’t let him in.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Gee, I wonder why?

Shaenon
10 years ago

Rodger’s chart looks like it was cut-and-pasted from this classic by anti-feminist dating guru Susan Walsh, although he deleted the helpful insults and emoticons:

https://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2011/08/04/susan-walsh-chartbreaker-part-2/

steampunked (@steampunked)

I will say this – watching the MRA frenzy of ‘THIS GUY WAS NOT OURS EVEN THOUGH HE LOVED ALL OUR STUFF AND REGURGITATED IT’ has a sort of dark amusement to it.

It reminds me of watching the right-wing gun fanatics when one of their own goes on a rampage.

I KNOW THIS GUY IS ONE OF OURS BUT NOW HE’S NOT BECAUSE NO TRUE SCOTSMAN.

lkeke35
10 years ago

Forgive me if this has already been stated but he wasn’t mentally ill. I’m becoming increasingly concerned that that is the media’s go-to after every tragedy.

What he had was the grand trifecta of negative personality traits (narcissism, grievance collection and rage), along with swimming around in a rich stew of popular media that’s aimed squarely at white males ,aged 18-49. Media that is full of women as sex dispensers and/or reward,male power fantasies and the solution for how to solve any/all of their problems – violence. Every form of media there is,( from television ads and shows, to rap music, comic books and the summer blockbusters that are based on them) , is aimed at this group and it’s full of nothing but this stuff. At 22 , he’s been fed a steady diet of this thinking, so why is everyone feigning shock that he believed it. He’s just a more extreme example of attitudes held by everyone else.

The mental illness stuff is the narrative being created by the media after every one of these types of shootings and it’s meant to distract us from the fact that it is the media thats entirely complicit in every one of them. I’ve been looking at CNN all day and the story started out being about his manifesto and his beliefs ,but as I was watching it, I could see the anchorpersons slow shift to being deeply concerned about his mental state until finally, his beliefs aren’t mentioned much at all.

I feel horrible saying this, but I believe this is completely deliberate and it’s sad and terrifying if it is. No form of popular media ( one that is almost entirely controlled by white males) is ever going to acknowledge its part in just how fucked up this culture is and it’s contribution to rape culture. It can’t do that and it won’t.

(Also ,it seems the MRA can dish it out but can’t take it apparently!)

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@Ikeke35

Forgive me if this has already been stated but he wasn’t mentally ill. I’m becoming increasingly concerned that that is the media’s go-to after every tragedy.

After learning people are blaming Roger’s “autism” on top of the usual “psycho killer” bullshit, I went from increasing concerned to full nuclear rage. So, yes I definitely agree, especially about the narcissism, resentment and rage part.

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

*And the media ignoring misogyny part as well.

BonnieBlue
BonnieBlue
10 years ago

“Rodgers was not bad looking, had plenty of money and drove an expensive car and yet women apparently wanted nothing to do with him.”

Thank you, Stevie, for having the chutzpah to say what I (and probably others) have really been thinking since this story broke. This guy was pretty far from ugly, he was obviously loaded, he had at least one parent who was powerful and well connected in the film industry, and he was young and a student at a huge university that was overflowing with potential dates and/or friends. If NO girls whatsoever were AT ALL interested in him despite all that, then really, he had to have been a real prick.

(Disclaimer: I know that looks/money/connections are not important to every girl, nor should they be. However, we all know that those factors are important to more than a few people of all genders and orientations. I would think that his Hollywood connections alone would be more than enough to have wannabe actresses throwing themselves at him.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

No shit. How scary do you have to be to be unable to get laid in/near LA, when you have movie industry connections? Dude must have given off some seriously bad vibes.

JImmy
10 years ago

@lkeke35 The media does have an agenda and it has little to do with the “man” influence. They are trying to promote mental health and awareness, even our President said we need to change the stigma on getting help.

However, Elliot Rodgers is psychotic and anti-social, but he is not a narcissist. He doesn’t have any form of what we call Autism, he does have frontal and temporal lobe deficiencies that led to this violence. There is also evidence of abuse and neglect potentially from his Father figure and other psychologist suggest his motherly figure.

I know he was spoiled, obviously unattended, had few friends. If you were a guy or girl, to date him or be friends with him it would be difficult. He would test you and push your buttons till you ran away. He needed to torment because that is how he felt. With a dying fuse, this guy was about to lose all pleasure in life, he feels he has lost so much that his time ran out. His belligerence possibly grew till any person he met would turn away. The internet became an escape so he could accrue people he could disturb. This is how he found life, but when he didn’t feel it was producing the high he needed, he resorted to murder.

This is very typical of an rapist, serial killer or mass murderer. Not typical of a many of those on those misogynist blogs which see their opinions as an actual social topic not a personal high. This is why I can’t blame this on Misogyny, the same reason I can’t blame religion. It requires a broken brain to kill others bottom-line.