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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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pecunium
6 years ago

Jules:

Not really my problem you cant understand the meaning behind it. It means some violence and aggression was initially useful for survival of our ancient ancestors.

1: It is your problem. The responsibility of the person presenting a case is to make it plain. You have failed to do that; mostly because you make unsupported claims based on your personal beliefs as if they were proven facts. When challenged you present material which fails to say what you claim it does.

2: Nothing you have said about the role of violence and agression in primates has had anything to do with any past value it may have had. You posit such a thing, and then get sniffy when we ask you to explain 1: how it was beneficial in the past,and 2: why it should be condoned in the present.

2a: Your claim that it was beneficial in the past is a logical fallacy, to wit an appeal to nature as such it (again) is useless as an argument.

3: When challenged to show how this past behavior (you alleged; based on specious comparisons to “all primates” [and yes, I saw your attempt to moving the goalposts by pretending the difference between “all” and “similar” means somehow that your claims about primate heirarchies being valid models for human one’s is suddenly proven; despite the evidence presented against it] that chimps/gorillas/etc. were so much like us as to be better representatives of humans than humans are) was beneficial you came up with gibberish about women’s prisons.

3a: this was non-sequitur, and the example was disproven with reference to prisons in other countries. No academic papers were cited, because you cited none. The level of rebuttal evidence was equal in nature to that provided, and greater in number. Futhermore the reasons for the difference were postulated; where you gave no justification for your claim, apart from, “people are violent”: this claim was at odds with your parent claim that men are violent, and the species needs this to survive.

3b: This claim about women needing to become violent in the absence of men* is actually you making a persistent claim to the the necessity of violence in human social structures. As such the previous failures to support it continue to render it moot.

the group I mentioned is unique and isolated. Maybe Caucasians women are more violent by nature so they breed violent children…

Again, you make a claim which undercuts your primary argument. If violence is a function of “caucaisians”, then it can’t have been a needed, and fundamental, trait of our immutable nature.

<blockquoteyou suck at evolution

While I don’t have a degree in it, I have engaged in both formal,and autodidactic study of it. From Darwin to Gould their is probably a good 8 linear feet of books on the subject in my library. I don’t know how many books I’ve read on the topic which I didn’t keep, or purchase, in the 30, or so, years I’ve been studying it.

But if it helps you to sleep to think I’m not versed in the subject, just whisper it into your pillow as you wait for Somnus to come calling.

*btw, I didn’t respond to your original hypothetical, in which all men disappeared, because what women would do is, when all is said and done, die. Homo sapiens isn’t capable of parthogenetic reproduction, so there would cease to be a human race to worry about. I’m not sure your grasp of basic biology is actually sufficient for you to estimate my understanding of evolutionary theory.

pecunium
6 years ago

I’m sorry, failed to close a tag (coding isn’t my strong suit)

Jules:

Not really my problem you cant understand the meaning behind it. It means some violence and aggression was initially useful for survival of our ancient ancestors.

1: It is your problem. The responsibility of the person presenting a case is to make it plain. You have failed to do that; mostly because you make unsupported claims based on your personal beliefs as if they were proven facts. When challenged you present material which fails to say what you claim it does.

2: Nothing you have said about the role of violence and agression in primates has had anything to do with any past value it may have had. You posit such a thing, and then get sniffy when we ask you to explain 1: how it was beneficial in the past,and 2: why it should be condoned in the present.

2a: Your claim that it was beneficial in the past is a logical fallacy, to wit an appeal to nature as such it (again) is useless as an argument.

3: When challenged to show how this past behavior (you alleged; based on specious comparisons to “all primates” [and yes, I saw your attempt to moving the goalposts by pretending the difference between “all” and “similar” means somehow that your claims about primate heirarchies being valid models for human one’s is suddenly proven; despite the evidence presented against it] that chimps/gorillas/etc. were so much like us as to be better representatives of humans than humans are) was beneficial you came up with gibberish about women’s prisons.

3a this was non-sequitor, and the example was disproven with reference to prisons in other countries. No academic papers were cited, because you cited none. The level of rebuttal evidence was equal in nature to that provided, and greater in number. Futhermore the reasons for the difference were postulated; where you gave no justification for your claim, apart from, “people are violent”: this claim was at odds with your parent claim that men are violent, and the species needs this to survive.

3b: This claim about women needing to become violent in the absence of men* is actually you making a persistent claim to the the necessity of violence in human social structures.

the group I mentioned is unique and isolated. Maybe Caucasians women are more violent by nature so they breed violent children…

Again, you make a claim which undercuts your primary argument. If violence is a function of “caucasions”, then it’s can’t have been a needed, and fundamental trait of our immutable nature.

you suck at evolution

While I don’t have a degree in it, I have engaged in both formal,and autodidactic study of it. From Darwin to Gould their is probably a good 8 linear feet of books on the subject in my library. I don’t know how many books I’ve read on the topic which I didn’t keep, or purchase, in the 30, or so, years I’ve been studying it.

But if it helps you to sleep to think I’m not versed in the subject, just whisper it into your pillow as you wait for Somnus to come calling.

*btw, I didn’t respond to your original hypothetical, in which all men disappeared, because what women would do is, when all is said and done, die. Homo sapiens isn’t capable of parthogenetic reproduction. I’m not sure your grasp of basic biology is actually sufficient for you to estimate my understanding of evolutionary theory.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

/whispers my firstest favouritist group was Boney M:

Ally S
6 years ago

No old music thread would be complete without some Supertramp:

I seem to have inherited a lot from my dad’s music taste…weird. I also like Pink Floyd and Fleetwood Mac just like he does.

Ally S
6 years ago

@pallygirl

BONEY M! I love them so much <3

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Did I ever mention on this site that I once met Boney M at an airport when I was a little kid? The ladies patted me on the head and gave me candy after I went running up to them in awe of their awesome clothes.

Ally S
6 years ago

The only Boney M song I don’t like is “Daddy Cool”. That’s because my dad used to play that song all the time in a very strange attempt to guilt trip us.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Omigosh, I would have loved to have met them in real life. I did meet this group once, and they were super nice. We were a classroom of 10 year olds though, so maybe they were a little overwhelmed by >20 kids at once:

hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

Yes, yes katz! That David Bowie + Annie Lennox video is just gold. It’s in my favourite’s list, I have to watch it every couple of months.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ally, it’s been raining all week here and when I went to the supermarket the other day, guess which Supertramp song they were playing! 😀

Fleetwood Mac! Loved Rumours, lost interest with Tusk. Liked The Eagles, The Hollies, Small Faces …

http://youtu.be/3rLF-QAS67I

Ally S
6 years ago

Here’s my favorite ELO song. It’s a bit of a downer, though:

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

One much younger child who’s all “you’re so shiny!” when you’re sitting around waiting to board a plane is probably a lot easier to deal with. Apparently I pestered my mother about wanting similar clothes for a while afterwards.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
6 years ago

As long as it’s getting so seventies in here, how about…

kittehserf
6 years ago

I don’t know that one! Telephone Line was one of my favourites, though I cried my eyes out over it most times.

Not to mention how much teenage weeping went on over The Moody Blues’ – Nights in White Satin, Tuesday Afternoon, The Voyage

But for sheer trippiness, my top would have to be Russell Morris’s The Real Thing. I have just been sitting all goose-bumped and woo listening to it.

http://youtu.be/HImcaPDmfBY

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I always liked this one better.

And then of course there’s 70s Christmas.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Also, was it just me who thought that Noddy Holder looked like a Dickens character? I feel like you could have dropped him right into any production of Oliver Twist and he’d have fit right in.

Ally S
6 years ago

I don’t know that one! Telephone Line was one of my favourites, though I cried my eyes out over it most times.

You too? I cry over that song as well. T_T In general, I listened to really sad ELO music shortly before running away from my dad’s place, so when I listen to those songs again they evoke those memories.

Ally S
6 years ago

Kate Bush! <3 She's one of those women whose appearance I've always wanted to emulate.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
6 years ago

@ cassandrakitty — I can’t unsee that now. He should be called “Mr Noddihol” or something.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ally – this was back in my teens, not now. I haven’t played ELO in ages. It was always specific associations I had, though they seldom had anything to do with the songs’ narratives. Sometimes it was modern songs, sometimes not – there’s a late Renaissance dance I have on vinyl (can’t find it online to play) that was always achingly sad, BL*, but now, WL**, just isn’t. There isn’t any sadness for it to draw out.

*Before Louis
**With Louis

katz
6 years ago

Also, was it just me who thought that Noddy Holder looked like a Dickens character? I feel like you could have dropped him right into any production of Oliver Twist and he’d have fit right in.

Well, Noddy Holder sure sounds like the name of a Dickens character.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I give you: 60s and country! I love this song, learnt from my father:

contrapangloss
6 years ago

I wrote Jules a song. It’s spoken, with a beat:

Once upon a time there was a dude named Jules,
Now he’d hate to bore you but he’s been through those schools.
He knows his evolution;
It’s quite a revolution,
See, man and all those primates —
You ladies got some real hates!–
They’re really all the same,
And men totally ain’t to blame,
And it really is a shame,
‘Cause every man with out a girl must be rather lame.

‘Cause bio-truths, Feminists!
Bio-bio-bio-truths!
The misogyny you see is totally all myths
You don’t believe me?
How do you totally not see,
That misandry this all must be?

See chimps are totally territorial,
And thus they got an alpha, ya’all,
Since we are just like chimps —
Fine, just similar you imps! —
People got alphas and hierarchies,
Just like chimpanzees!
Oh, wait, you say not all primates are the same?
Bonobos and lemurs and orangutans and apes,
All have different social structures, and you say I rather gape?
And grasp at straws?
No! Hold, let me pause.

‘Cause bio-truths, Feminists!
Bio-bio-bio-truths!
The misogyny you see is totally all myths
You don’t believe me?
How do you totally not see,
That misandry this all must be?

Now wait, see here!
We’re social beasts, for sure!
And with these social strictures there will always be some violence,
For never could there be a group based on parlance
It’s really quite absurd,
You get what you deserve!
Male violence is genetic,
I’m not being rather frantic!
But of course this violence ain’t always just,
Or else this thread would be just a bust.

‘Cause bio-truths, Feminists!
Bio-bio-bio-truths!
The misogyny you see is totally all myths
You don’t believe me?
How do you totally not see,
That misandry this all must be?

Oh, wait! You turn that charge on me?
How can this be?
I only said men’s violence was natural!
It’s not like I said it was societal!
But wait, see these women in jails?
They can be pretty violent; my face, it pales.
So you see, it isn’t alphas or males,
But society itself, and the structure it entails,
It all must have some violence!
Just look upon my evidence!
Women in jails, bonobos at risk,
My point is so scrambled, like I’ve beat it with a whisk.

‘Cause bio-truths, Feminists!
Bio-bio-bio-truths!
The misogyny you see is totally all myths
You don’t believe me?
How do you totally not see,
That misandry this all must be?

Why do men face ridicule?
You’re really all quite mean!
It’s like you think man is but a packmule,
But you cannot let him be!
Why do we laud masculine women,
And not masculine men?
I’ll just sit here and pretend,
That I cannot concience of men who’d want to tend,
Of men who’d want to hold,
Of men who like to take the laundry and fold,
It is all about the masculine, you see!
Because evolution makes sense to me!
These masculine traits, this violence, is totally innate, and totally societal,
because evolution works in a single generation to ensure that there are leaders,
And this point I lost, but let me say,
You suck at evolution.

‘Cause bio-truths, Feminists!
Bio-bio-bio-truths!
The misogyny you see is totally all myths
You don’t believe me?
How do you totally not see,
That misandry this all must be?

katz
6 years ago

Sometimes it was modern songs, sometimes not – there’s a late Renaissance dance I have on vinyl (can’t find it online to play) that was always achingly sad, BL*, but now, WL**, just isn’t. There isn’t any sadness for it to draw out.

It’s awesome that you found someone who makes you so happy.

katz
6 years ago

Contrapangloss: We’re going to have to have a cage match between you and Fibinachi.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
6 years ago

Can we somehow combine the themes of cool old songs and misunderstood primate biology? We sure can!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Thank you, katz!

Now I’ve found that I do have that disc on CD, and I’ve ripped* it to my PC, but I’d have to fiddlefart around converting it to put it on youtube. Argh!

*note brilliant grasp of technical terms here

BigMomma
BigMomma
6 years ago

this thread is waaaay to long for me to catch up. Can anyone summarise? Did I miss any good trolls (or bad trolls)? I normally play along at home with all the threads but I went to the beach with my daughter and when I looked again, the thread had ‘sploded.

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
6 years ago

That is awesome, contrapangloss!

kittehserf
6 years ago

Eeeee the Goodies! Ah, those were the days – 6pm the Goodies, 6.30pm Doctor Who.

BigMomma
BigMomma
6 years ago

Tom Baker/ Patrick Troughton for the win. Aussies strangely obsessed with The Goodies (which I loved as kids in 70s) but not sure it has held up very well.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

And kiwis obsessed with The Goodies too! 🙂

Fibinachi
6 years ago

That’s great, contrapangloss! Well done. I morning blearily salute you!

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

Re suburban houses.

Contemporary style houses look so ugly to me, especially when people build the biggest possible house that will fit on their block. I think they will date super fast too. I love old queenslanders and terrace houses and new englanders. I have been looking at buying a house some time soon and this is the builder I’ve fallen in love with.

http://www.storybook.com.au/grouped-projects/

They build new england style houses which look country and beachy and sophisticated all at the same time. They would also be well suited to a cottage garden, which is something I’ve always wanted.

Kim
Kim
6 years ago

Aussies strangely obsessed with The Goodies (which I loved as kids in 70s) but not sure it has held up very well.

Rewatching it as an adult I realised how many dirty jokes I missed or were cut out for the time slot. Also, a friend of mine called her daughter Hazel, which always makes me think of “Why didn’t you tell us your last name was Nuts, Hazel?”

kittehserf
6 years ago

I did it, I did it! I made a clip of the Hungarian Renaissance pieces I was looking for!

Strange – hearing it while looking at this picture I made much more recently brings all those feelings back. Or memories of them, rather. The music is so poignant, both the song and the lute piece, and now to see him rather than just imagine …

http://youtu.be/omNfb-vqc6g

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

I’ve very fond memories of the Goodies “End of the World” episode, but I haven’t seen it in 30 years so I can’t comment on how well it’s aged. “I spy a chair!”

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@jules

Oh look wow, how smart you are. You are used to making up bullshit facts and judging everyone. Its fun.

Oh, the irony,

Why bring up 3 days ago? So if I was wrong on generalizing primates all my argument must be wrong? That’s your argument?

Yeah, gosh guys, how dare you bring up what jules actually said earlier. Misandry!

Men are ALREADY being held accountable for their actions.

Lol. That must be why ‘what were you wearing’ or ‘but you were drinking?’ are questions asked to female rape victims so often.

Masculinity is TOXIC when men display it. But you will be quick to defend and applaud women for taking masculine roles. As long as women show masculinity its ok. Double standards?

So, jules doesn’t actually know what ‘toxic masculinity’ is, then.

Hard to say origin but yes I think most of the misogyny in north America and Europe is due to christianity.

Oh, so you’re one of those trolls. Which is why there hasn’t been any misogyny in atheist communities, right?

Its such a silly concept to me in our society but I do believe men and women have different interest.

“it’s a silly concept to me but I believe it” -jules.

wow I am so not caught up but still posting so the wordpress monster doesn’t eat me :p

Marie
Marie
6 years ago

@jules

the group I mentioned is unique and isolated. Maybe Caucasians women are more violent by nature so they breed violent children…

can’t tell if you mean ‘white’ or if you mean ‘from the caucus regions’ so you might want to clarify that shit and also not use caucasian if you mean white :/

@bigmomma

this thread is waaaay to long for me to catch up. Can anyone summarise? Did I miss any good trolls (or bad trolls)? I normally play along at home with all the threads but I went to the beach with my daughter and when I looked again, the thread had ‘sploded.

I think there were lots of trolls, but most recently, jules. who’s shtick is ‘men are more violent and all primates are the same’ but changed to ‘i changed my mind women are more violent humans are all violent wait I lied I hate gender roles, even though I think they’re inate and I appear to support them’ with a bonus dose of ‘well I bet all you people support female serial killers’.

I probably missed something.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
6 years ago

I discovered Lhasa just about the time she died:

kittehserf
6 years ago

Improved cut of the Hungarian Renaissance pieces:

http://youtu.be/KDfyGF23QyA

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

Not REMOTELY caught up, but LBT/Sneak —

“Sneak makes big shiny goo-goo eyes and is highly interested, even though zie is also fairly sure zie will kill it by accident.”

Nawh, I thought I’d killed the parent, more than once, then last fall POOF I’M A BABY CACTUS! It’s got about three little ones growing out of it now.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Jules

How do you expect me to sympathies with your views when you keep mocking me

How do you expect us not to mock you when you keep saying such boneheaded things? This isn’t “the New Misogyny, Sympathized and Explained,” it’s “the New Misogyny, tracked and MOCKED.” Thus, we mock you. This isn’t rocket science, Jules. If we wanted your sympathy, we’d ask for it.

Maybe Caucasians women are more violent by nature so they breed violent children… you suck at evolution

Thank you Jules, from sparing me the effort of proving your stupidity by doing it yourself. I shall restrain myself from saying something derogatory about your mother, since it’s not her fault you’re here.

RE: hrovitnir

it work to resist the urge to overcompensate. I simultaneously feel happy and frustrated when told I should have been born/am like a man. >_>

I hear that. In my case, I was always a complete gender failure; I’m not non-binary in any way, but I’ve never been able to attain any sort of masculinity whatsoever. (Well, hubby affirms it, but he’s my husband; he’s contractually obligated.) I used overcompensation for a while, but seeing all these swaggering trolls has actually helped me realize that’s not who I want to be.

It also helped that I’ve tailored the body to be more comfortable to me. It’s still very pretty and androgynous and girly… but it FITS, and that helps a whole lot.

RE: Ally

I love Annie Lennox’s voice:

I think her appearance in the Sweet Dreams music video made an impression on Wee Proto-Us’s mind.

RE: Argenti

Nawh, I thought I’d killed the parent, more than once, then last fall POOF I’M A BABY CACTUS! It’s got about three little ones growing out of it now.

This pleases Sneak immensely. Zie will have a freaking window sill garden soon enough!

pecunium
6 years ago

The secret to keeping cactus… don’t water them. every so often (once, maybe twice, a year) soak the soil. Keep them in the sun.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
6 years ago

What he said!

Threadilling browser repeated, short post, sorry.

katz
6 years ago

Argenti, how do you ship plants, anyway?

katz
6 years ago

Hey, that triffid/treant slash was JUST A PHASE!

pecunium
6 years ago

katz: Succulents and cacti go in the mail, no worries. Some (e.g. forsythia) will do all-right as branches with exposed cambium; wrapped in damp paper towels and cling-wrap.

(NB on cacti… the soil need to be fast draining. I like sand and pumice, with a very small amount of potting soil. Say 75/20/5 as a sand/pumice/potting soil mix. You can mist the surface… lightly, every week or so. Not enough to get droplets on the surface. Enough to replicate some dew).

katz
6 years ago

Hmm. I’ve got lots of mint runners. I wonder if I could send one of those to add to Sneak’s garden. They’re damn near indestructible.