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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

/looks at website url, notes lack of .edu or .ac in address.

Quote mining and assfacts by Trolly McTrollerson aren’t academic. Scientific argument also requires that the person maintain a formal logic through the debate, which nanoJoules can’t.

It’s almost like trolls can’t do proper arguments as well as being unfamiliar with science discussions. On top of the science and philosophy fails, there was the history fail as well. I am always amused when trolls demonstrate how atrocious they are in multiple disciplines.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

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hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

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katz
6 years ago

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katz
6 years ago

I was looking for that clip from Chicken Run where Mr. Tweedy says “The chickens are revolting!” and Mrs. Tweedy says “Finally something we can agree on” and it’s not online. I’m miffed about that.

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hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

Oo, so annoying when you want a VERY SPECIFIC clip and it doesn’t exist. 😛

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pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

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Ally S
6 years ago

200

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

How does someone learn to blockquote and then forget again an hour later?

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Ally S
6 years ago

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katz
6 years ago

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weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Why do trolls threaten to flounce like we’ll be sorry when they do? It’s just the emptiest of threats.

pecunium
6 years ago

Jules: Nothing you have presented me with is even slightly academic.

I don’t have to because you are the one making (well, not really) the case. You’re evidence fails to support itself.

I don’t need to present anything else; because you aren’t coherent. In one breath you say, “violence is necessary for the survival of the species”, in the next you say, “this group here shows people can live non-violent lives”.

In your words have you refuted yourself. I didn’t need to do anything.

So yes, you are the stupid one.

katz
6 years ago

Hey, we were doing women with sexy voices, weren’t we?

Ally S
6 years ago

I love Annie Lennox’s voice:

contrapangloss
6 years ago

204.

katz
6 years ago

Oh man, I love the Eurythmics.

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Ally S
6 years ago

And here’s that one Eurythmics song that everyone knows:

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Ally S
6 years ago

Oh man, I love the Eurythmics.

I have no idea why, but I totally expected this.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I saw them in concert in the late 80s. One of my favourites:

hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

I loooove Annie Lennox.

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Crip Dyke
Crip Dyke
6 years ago

@hrovitnir:

There’s a gender discussion over on freethoughtblogs.com/Pharyngula you might be interested in.

:Shameless self-promotion alert:

I’m facilitating the discussion, but it’s not like a lecture or dissertation or anything. It may be useful to you, and comments like yours could certainly be useful to others as well.

hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

Oh, pallygirl, that is one of my favourite videos in particular. 🙂

hrovitnir
hrovitnir
6 years ago

Thanks Crip Dyke! I’ll have a wee look, may or may not feel brave enough to post – my gender feelings are confusing enough for *me*.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

🙂 And no link to videos about strong women singers is complete without Toyah:

Ally S
6 years ago

@pallygirl

Nice choice. She looks so cool in that one :3

I may be developing a crush on her or something…

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Showing my punk/alternative rock preferences here. Happy House by Souxsie and the Banshees (I so wanted her hair, her make-up, her clothing):

Ally S
6 years ago

I’d consider sharing a Dead or Alive music video in line with the theme of gender non-conforming singers, but Pete Burns happens to be a total homophobic asshole, sooo… X_X

It’s such a shame. I used to really find their music videos inspiring because it helped me realize that there was nothing wrong with a “guy” like me dressing and acting feminine.

katz
6 years ago

I have no idea why, but I totally expected this.

It’s my deep and abiding love of women with short hair.

Also this song.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Oh, I love Aretha Franklin too. And speaking of men dressed in female clothing:

mildlymagnificent
6 years ago

D’you reckon the ghastly suburban houses we see now are any sort of style at all, wewereemergencies? They seem to belong to the school of shoddy …

Depends which suburbs you’re talking about in Adelaide. Mawson Lakes is basically modernism-on-the-cheap-by-the-wetlands. In most of the random developments of smaller houses – they put three, four or more on what used to be one or two house blocks. These seem to be the bastard offspring of modernism combined with Tuscan “style” porches completely out of scale (overwhelmed by the 2 or 3 car garage in many cases) and looking ridiculous as well as cheap.

A lot of people object to the “fake” Australian vernacular country town style of larger suburban houses. Personally I like the look, as well as the effect, of sensibly wide verandahs with or without the bullnose iron roofs. For those who don’t know what I’m talking about check these, http://www.narellanhomeimprovement.com.au/bullnose-verandahs/timber-bullnose-verandah even when they’re added onto standard 1960s boxes, or click on the illustration at the bottom of this page. http://www.lyrebird.com.au/curved_verandah_rafters.html (The concave looks nice and neat, but I see it as an invitation for leaves and twigs, then bushfire embers, to settle in and do their worst rather than rolling or bouncing off into the gutters filled with water to drown them.)

jules699
6 years ago

I don’t need to present anything else; because you aren’t coherent. In one breath you say, “violence is necessary for the survival of the species”, in the next you say, “this group here shows people can live non-violent lives”.

Not really my problem you cant understand the meaning behind it. It means some violence and aggression was initially useful for survival of our ancient ancestors.

the group I mentioned is unique and isolated. Maybe Caucasians women are more violent by nature so they breed violent children…

you suck at evolution

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

@ pallygirl

Funny, I’ve been listening to this song for the past week.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Ooooh the Eurythmics! ::collapses in heap of nostalgia::

Plus, Blondie:

http://youtu.be/WGU_4-5RaxU

contrapangloss
6 years ago

You suck at evolution.

Laughing at this. Thanks for making my day. You win the irony prize for the thread.

Ally S
6 years ago

This is my favorite Blondie song, personally:

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

I just wish people would feel free to wear what they want, and do what they like with their hair, etc. Being Scottish on my father’s side, living in a Pasifika country where cis-men (I think I have the term correct in the context here) wear lava-lava, and having lived in Asia, I don’t really have much in the way of fixed views on gender-conformist clothing.

If you’re cold, wear more, if you’re hot wear less.

Except there is one rule:

Ally S
6 years ago

And here is the only Madonna song I have ever cared about:

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Not really ever been a Madonna fan. And I borked the link above, silly YouTube lists.

*This* is the video I should have linked:

contrapangloss
6 years ago

Also, I believe a 208 is in order?

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

IAMX and Imogen Heap

Ally S
6 years ago

Here’s one of my guilty-pleasure songs:

(I personally like the original ELO version more, but her voice is cute.)

katz
6 years ago

An 80sgasm.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Here’s a blast from the past, don’t know if any non-Aussies will remember it: Jane Clifton’s Girl on the Wall.

http://youtu.be/RJla6sY_3jo

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Listing, forgive me if I omit anyone:

@cassandrasays: thanks for the Siouxsie video, it was great watching a song I haven’t heard before.

@Ally S: I hope you didn’t take my comment about Madonna as a criticism of your taste. I could have phrased it less blunt. Also, I did not know that was originally an ELO song and I like ELO so I have learned something else new today. 🙂

#Ally S and kittehserf: I *love* Blondie. Wasn’t she originally New York punk? There don’t seem to be the strong women singers that punk brought out today, just manufactured girly singers. 🙁 I don’t tend to buy newer music as it all sounds the same to me and I prefer rock, punk, alternative, and brit pop. In the 70s and 80s we seemed to have much stronger independent women as pop idols. Things seem to have gone backwards.

/now you younguns get off my lawn

Ally S
6 years ago

@katz

…You win the thread. My favorite Queen song sung by one of my favorite female singers.

Ally S
6 years ago

@pallygirl

Oh, I didn’t take it as a criticism. Just a statement of your preference.

Speaking of ELO, here’s the original Xanadu:

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

/squeeeeee Thanks Ally S

How could I forget The Pretenders?

brooked
brooked
6 years ago

you suck at evolution

Do not! I’m a goddamn mutant.

There is an enormous amount of scholarly work done on violence that’s available to you. If you want to focus on crime, there’s actual fields of study devoted to it: Criminology and Forensic Psychology. A cornucopia of fields from philosophy to sociology have books and more books just on the nature of violence. If you’re genuinely interested in the subject go spend time researching it yourself. Right now it seems like you’re doing split second google searches and posting the first thing that comes up.

You like Evo Psyche? Go read Steve Pinker’s The Better Angel of Our Nature. Evo Psyche fans love their Pinker.

kittehserf
6 years ago

The Pretenders! Only one of theirs I know is Back on the Chain Gang – still love it.

http://youtu.be/CK3uf5V0pDA

ELO! My firstest favouritist group as a teen.

http://youtu.be/cPdQhHLgU6c