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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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Lee
Lee
10 years ago

WWTH: That is pretty hilarious. Clearly he should have dated the computer! 😆

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

@Daft Wee Lass:

No, you’re not an expert. So shut up about it, and refer to the comments on the past few posts. I’d guess that reading a single page of comments should get you to at least one explanation of why I’ve just said that.

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

@carriekube1:

Ditto what I just said to Daft Wee Lass.

Marie
10 years ago

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

uh. Can’t speak for the anti-black or anti-gay stuff, but I haveseen people try to act like anti-semantic crimes weren’t hate crimes :/

@improbable girl

Wait, according to Cathy Young, saying that misogyny is a cultural problem is anti-male hate speech? Would she also argue that saying racism is a cultural problem is anti-white hate speech?

Probably. I see lots of (racist, obviously) people saying black people talking about racism is anti-white.

(I say all this because I’ve been told by a *lot* of supposedly open-minded, pro-social justice people that taking an antipsychotic should be grounds for all sorts of intrusive, degrading policies, from letting local and federal government have access to my psychiatric records and therapy notes, to having local government keep track of where I live, to having law enforcement regularly “check up” on me in my own home. The idea that anyone who is prescribed an antipsychotic is a danger to themselves and others is bullshit, but it’s insidious, damaging bullshit.)

Ugh 🙁 THose are terrible things to tell someone. and always the general reaction to shootings with white male shooter is that we should crack down on neurodivergent people, no not that it might actually be a problem with white men god forbid.

@Cat

It is misogyny, no doubts, but it is so extreme that I think it is naturally to question the mental health of this person.

well, in that case, fuck you.

@Ally

I’m willing to bet that, if society gave equal recognition to women of color murdered by entitled white men, then these disabilist narratives in defense of misogynist killers would be far less prevalent.

I do think society should give equal recognition to women of color being murdered it would be good, but don’t really see how it would stop the ableist narratives :/ I mean, I guess I saw your reasons, but I still feel like they’d just keep saying it’s a ‘lone madman’ or whatever. Maybe I”m just feeling really negative today.

@Stevie

You’re new here? and I haven’t welcomed you? Welcome! 😀

Walter
Walter
10 years ago

I dron’t think enough blame can be placed on American ideas about masculinity and what it means to be a man.

Many men in America are fed a view of masculinity that encourages sexualizing women and treating them like objects. At the same it teaches them that they have no value as a man unless they are fucking multiple women and even then only if they are fucking women deemed attractive.

It is a horrible world view and I bet it was the root cause of Rodger’s misogyny.

Ally S
10 years ago

@Marie

I do think society should give equal recognition to women of color being murdered it would be good, but don’t really see how it would stop the ableist narratives :/ I mean, I guess I saw your reasons, but I still feel like they’d just keep saying it’s a ‘lone madman’ or whatever. Maybe I”m just feeling really negative today.

Yeah, you’re right. Disabilism has momentum of its own, and it won’t necessarily end with the abolition of white supremacy. But I think that at the very least those narratives would be less pervasive and influential. IDK it’s a complex subject and it’s kind of difficult to sort my thoughts on this, so I’m sorry if I’m not making any sense.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

I’m getting so depressed and angry reading people’s online comments about this anywhere but here. Seems the mainstream line is that linking this obviously misogynist act to misogyny is “politicizing” the issue. “Feminists are just as bad.” “he killed men so it can’t be misogyny.” Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

There’s so much that I think needs to be confronted and called out, but I just want to get in bed and pull the covers over my head. 🙁

Faint Praise
Faint Praise
10 years ago

Thanks for continuing quality content on this one. I feel this is an important discussion and yours is one of our best voices contributing to it.

Inevitably there will be concerns of crass teamsmanship, using a tragedy to score points. That’s not what this is though. We know violent ideologies give rise to violent acts and it’s one of the reasons to document manosphere activity. Can’t let that connection get buried now, just because manosphere + sympathizers want to write it off as merely an outlier.

Gratefully it is an outlier. But it is also a direct consequence of the hateful ideologies the manosphere spreads.

stacydianne
stacydianne
10 years ago

Misogynists love to blame 2nd wave feminism and the sexual revolution for their inability to get dates and/or sex. The late 60′s is when it all went wrong.

Oddly enough, before the sexual revolution, misogynists blamed women for being shallow uptight materialistic bourgeois herd animals who wouldn’t put out unless a man made a commitment.

True story. #oldenoughtorememberthosedays

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Faint Phrase, thank you. These are just the words I needed to see right now, and I can’t be the only one.

steampunked (@steampunked)

Psychosis does not mean ‘innately aggressive’. A psychotic is not by definition hostile – the whole ‘American Psycho’ label has really done some damage here. Psychosis is a rare disorder categorised by loss of contact with reality. Your insight is impaired because you cannot perceive reality in the way others can – which can lead to violence (especially in imagined self defense). But being psychotic does not necessarily mean anyone is going to pick up an axe – it means your ability to make decisions is profoundly impacted by what you think is really happening.

The medication I took (take? Haven’t had an episode since, so should get rediagnosed, as I’m still on it) for psychosis is an anti-anxiety medication. For me, the psychotic break was triggered by extreme, violent stress. No life-threatening stress, no hallucinations.

Looking at the guy’s manifesto, the thing that is blatantly obvious is _why_ girls were not interested. A cool car and good looks do nothing when the people around you know you as that frighteningly angry guy who throws drinks at people. That’s assault. Talk about walking around with a great big flashing ‘DANGER!’ sign.

Ally S
10 years ago

I’ll try to better articulate what I’m saying:

Disablism as a system of oppression uniquely serves as a scapegoating mechanism in that it obscures systemic factors of social ills like violence. Confronted with complaints about a system that enacts violence on people, supporters of patriarchy and white supremacists can simply blame it all on “the mentally ill”.

This aspect of disablism becomes even more powerful in discourses concerned with the cause(s) of ostensibly “extreme”, “rare” acts of aggression. Because a disabilist discourse can dominate and then produce ideas such as “This is so rare that it just had to be committed by someone who’s crazy.” It’s a convenient explanation for the most privileged people because it completely erases any consideration of systemic factors that underlie their own privileges.

With that in consideration, one can say that white supremacy can exacerbate the influence of disablist narratives because white supremacy erases victims who are people of color. When only white victims are visible, the true extent of the consequences of violence are obscured. Violence as white supremacy constructs it supports the illusion that violence is rare, but only because white people are not disproportionately represented among all victims.

And so we have the implication that, if society begins to recognize the reality of white supremacist violence and erasure, then disablist narratives that neatly explain away the etiology of violence lose their power. Because it becomes clear that, in reality, this violence is extremely common and is only seen as uncommon when a great majority of victims are erased from our perspectives.

I hope that makes more sense.

Ally S
10 years ago

Or we could put it this way: It’s much easier for a white person who has lived in a rich, relatively crime-free neighborhood to blame “the mentally ill” on what they see as rare acts of violence than it is for a person of color who views murder, rape, etc. as facts of life that affect all of their own family members and friends. The white person can afford to think of explanations that ignore the elephant in the room that is systemic oppression, whereas the person of color can’t help but see that all of the violence they have witnesses is indeed a product of systemic oppression due to its frequency and nature.

teacat
teacat
10 years ago

De “lurker” ing. Media coverage is only getting worse and in some cases adopting “vengeance against men” as his motive. I think I’m finally ready to join the Mammoths formally.

I absolutely agree the racism bit is being completely ignored here as well. MRAs instantly jumped on the fact that Rodgers killed his male roommates, but it turns out all his roommates were Asian and Asians were one of the main targets of his entitled racism.
But he killed them because he hated men, right?

My heart goes out to the victims and their families as well. As always their stories are also largely being ignored.

Ally S
10 years ago

Edit: this

It’s much easier for a white person who has lived in a rich, relatively crime-free neighborhood to blame “the mentally ill” on what they see as rare acts of violence…

Should read as: “It’s much easier for a white person who has lived in a rich, relatively crime-free neighborhood to blame what they see as rare acts of violence on ‘the mentally ill’…”

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 years ago

MRA apologist from upthread:

“I wish MRAs/PUAs would admit to the fact that it was their ideology that led to this tragedy.”

By all means, people, let’s keep on casting about for someone to blame.

Who’s casting about? It’s right there in his manifesto and internet behavior. He frequented the manosphere and ate up their precepts with a spoon. His violent hatred of women fit right in with the ideological playbook. Birds of a feather, and all that.

Nice try at disowning it, though.

Marie
10 years ago

@Ally

Yeah, you’re right. Disabilism has momentum of its own, and it won’t necessarily end with the abolition of white supremacy. But I think that at the very least those narratives would be less pervasive and influential. IDK it’s a complex subject and it’s kind of difficult to sort my thoughts on this, so I’m sorry if I’m not making any sense.

No, you’re making sense. And it could make it less pervasive. I’m just feeling really negative right now and everything sounds hopeless.

@grumpycatisagirl

I’m getting so depressed and angry reading people’s online comments about this anywhere but here.

::offers internet hugs::

It’s been making my depression so much worse to. went from ‘hey, meds might be working’ to ‘fuck everything’. The past two days I’ve been just a ball of stress, anxiety, and sadness.

@ally

I hope that makes more sense.

Yeah, it makes sense. And this:

Or we could put it this way: It’s much easier for a white person who has lived in a rich, relatively crime-free neighborhood to blame “the mentally ill” on what they see as rare acts of violence than it is for a person of color who views murder, rape, etc. as facts of life that affect all of their own family members and friends.

I am a pretty privileged white person, (middle class + white) and yeah, I rarely did hear about violence. Even coming online and talking to more people often it is cases where white people are killed that make the news, and cases of people of color being killed are ignored.

So, um, yes you make perfect sense.

Maggie Howell
10 years ago

The graphic is beyond chilling.

Lady Mondegreen
Lady Mondegreen
10 years ago

let’s keep on casting about for someone to blame

lol. Yeah, like we’re just randomly “casting about” and just happened upon motivation that HE SPENT HUNDREDS OF WORDS EXPRESSLY DOCUMENTING.

Pathetic dishonest shitheads. *inarticulate noises comprised of groans, profanity, teeth grinding*

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Thanks for the Internet hugs, Marie. Right back at you.

And yeah, the “casting about” person can fuck off. Sad thing is I think more people agree with that attitude than with ours. 🙁

brooked
brooked
10 years ago

@Walter

Many men in America are fed a view of masculinity that encourages sexualizing women and treating them like objects. At the same it teaches them that they have no value as a man unless they are fucking multiple women and even then only if they are fucking women deemed attractive.

Rodger actually said that he wanted to be “validated” by having a hot blonde women and that sexual pleasure was secondary to that.

Marie
10 years ago

@grumpycatisagirl

And yeah, the “casting about” person can fuck off. Sad thing is I think more people agree with that attitude than with ours. 🙁

I missed casting about person. I think that’s a good thing.

especially since I cant think well atm. I took my sleepy pill in hopes of making me sleepy. but I’m just as irritated as ever. If I talked to ‘casting about’ person probably all I’d be able to manage is a ‘fuck off’.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Yeah, hopefully the “casting about” person has already fucked off.

Shiraz
Shiraz
10 years ago

Yes, there are plenty of online articles out there about Rodger — and the comments sections beneath the articles are just depressing.
There’s a lot of What ABOUT THE MENZ??? going on. And posters who hate feminism accussing everyone writing about the murders of pushing a political agenda that asserts misogyny is real. Oh, and some MRAs mumbing about misandry.

grumpycatisagirl
10 years ago

Oh, and welcome teacat. I just saw your comment. Nice to have you here.