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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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LBT (with an open writeathon!)

Our conversation with Jules, Cliff Notes version:

Jules: I don’t believe men are entitled to women.

Us: Here are some examples of male entitlement.

Jules: Gee, I really wish someone would give me an example of male entitlement!

Us: HERE ARE MORE EXAMPLES.

Jules: Where is all this male entitlement? I don’t see it.

Us: Asshole.

Jules: GASP! *pearl clutch* How rude!

I swear, his selective hearing would make a cat proud!

bunnybunny
bunnybunny
10 years ago

Would it make you feel better if I said I was also subject of rape when I was a child?

What kind of jackass would feel better after hearing about a child being raped?

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

Some of you are keeping the conversation going so I thank you for that. For those who insult and play defensive I dont care much. One persons opinion never mattered to me that much. If your response to a few questions and concerns is that the person is trolling will be it then. I have to respond to all at the same time not easy and it gets confusing on here.

Im looking for citations.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

What kind of jackass would feel better after hearing about a child being raped?

Jules, apparently, since he assumed that to be true of other people.

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

“What kind of jackass would feel better after hearing about a child being raped?”

obviously a sick person. What kind of person brings up rape in a conversation not exactly related?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Some of you are keeping the conversation going so I thank you for that.

The song of the troll, part eleventy. Watch as I divide and conquer with my super smart “some of you are nice so I shall reward you with my attention” gambit! Wait, why are you all still mocking me? Also, can someone explain what a conversation is? Because I don’t quite seem to get it.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I dont believe that. How come Im not like that? How come none of my male friends are like that. Ive never even heard them ever mention havingt feelings of being entitled to someone else.

Oh, a not all men guy! How original.

Just because a man doesn’t outright say “I am entitled to a woman” doesn’t mean he can’t have feelings of entitlement and that entitlement doesn’t always manifest as rape so don’t expect to get cookies and hugs for not being a rapist.

Have you heard a man say something along the lines of “how can she go for him and not me? He’s an asshole and I’m nice.”

Have you seen a man get mad at a woman for not giving him her number after he bought her a drink. Or refuse to have sex with him after he paid for dinner?

It happens all the time. Lots of men expect that if they put niceness coins into a woman sex comes out. Whether or not we want to have sex doesn’t come up for consideration.

Have you asked any of the women you know about street harassment? Because 95-99% of women have experienced it.

Have you ever heard a man say “I’d hit that” or use other kinds of objectifying language.

If you think male entitlement is rare you are either guilty of it yourself or just being willfully blind.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Jules

What do you mean wanted them at all cost?

I was quoting you, you dingus. You said, “Perhaps your definition of entitled is different than mine.
Entitled as in claim by any means possible.” I was giving you examples of straight men who claimed my mother, my aunt, and myself by any means possible. I’m saying that these guys felt entitled to our bodies. That is what rape is.

Would it make you feel better if I said I was also subject of rape when I was a child?

Not really. I don’t like you, but I would never wish such an experience on you. I’m sorry that it happened to you.

Are you suggesting that mens entitlement justifies their rape?

…that is the opposite of what I’m saying. I’m saying that rapists often justify their actions TO THEMSELVES by saying that they deserve access to that person’s body. Like Elliot Rodger. He believed he deserved access to women’s bodies at any cost. He was entitled. Of course that doesn’t justify what he did!

Ive never even heard them ever mention havingt feelings of being entitled to someone else.

Just because you don’t hear it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. I JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT MEN WHO FELT ENTITLED TO SOMEONE ELSE. You just pretend that since it didn’t directly affect YOU, it isn’t “legit.”

What kind of person brings up rape in a conversation not exactly related?

You’re the one who started it. You wanted examples of men who felt entitled to women’s bodies. That included rapists. That’s relevant.

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

“We are saying that Rodger felt that he had a right to sex and attention from a young, white, blond woman and thought he was being unfairly denied when one didn’t throw herself at him.

Yes, Lot’s of men feel entitled to a woman. Women are considered to be prizes for the deserving hero. Women aren’t taken seriously when they say “no.” Rodger was just a lot more extreme in his sense of entitlement.”

I agree with that yes. All I’m saying is that men are under pressure by society to think that way. Don’t women have a role in this pressure at all? They pay more attention to the rich guy, the successful guy. They keep talking about wanting a nice guy to be the father of their children. Indirectly they reward the guy that is successful by our social norms.

katz
10 years ago

Dude, we could keep the conversation going by playing the number ninja game.

katz
10 years ago

(The number ninja game: We start counting, one number per post. If two people say the same number, or if someone says a number out of order, we start over. See how high you can get.)

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Another common form of male entitlement is coming into feminist spaces and expecting a feminism 101 tutorial even though there are plenty of educational resources about social justice available online.

Cries of “not all men!” are entitled too. Feminists are forced to spend an inordinate amount of time explaining over and over again that we are aware that not all men are misogynists or rapists. Instead of talking about misogyny and finding solutions for it, we are talking about men and their feelings.

Howard Bannister
10 years ago

Are you suggesting that mens entitlement justifies their rape? I’m sure for some it does. Im sure entitlement justifies murder for some as well.

Actually, male entitlement and toxic masculinity are behind a lot of the violence out there today. Who kills? Who kills in the largest numbers? Why do they kill? Scratch down, dig deeper. The poison of this insidious doctrine digs deep into everything.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I’m just curious to see if there will be any standard manosphere talking points that this one fails to hit by the time he flounces (for today). That’s the only reason I’m still bothering to skim his drivel because honestly, he’s boring even by recent troll-fail standards.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I agree with that yes. All I’m saying is that men are under pressure by society to think that way. Don’t women have a role in this pressure at all?

Women can internalize patriarchy and play a role in upholding it but it is still patriarchy and it is still mostly held up men, who are the ones that benefit from it.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Cassandra,
I haven’t heard anything about child custody yet. We haven’t had a “men invented all the things” troll in awhile either.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

I’ve been waiting for him to get to child custody and divorce. This song is too long, boring troll! Step it up!

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

“Oh, a not all men guy! How original.

Just because a man doesn’t outright say “I am entitled to a woman” doesn’t mean he can’t have feelings of entitlement and that entitlement doesn’t always manifest as rape so don’t expect to get cookies and hugs for not being a rapist.

Have you heard a man say something along the lines of “how can she go for him and not me? He’s an asshole and I’m nice.”

I’m sorry but women dont do this? How can he go for her not me?
I fail to see the difference in entitlement here. Also dont we all feel entitled to better everything? Better jobs, money, house etc. Isn’t that a human quality? I’m just trying to figure out why expectations like these are wrong. Unless it ends with a crime such as rape, violence or murder almost everyone has some sense of entitlement.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Jules

Don’t women have a role in this pressure at all? They pay more attention to the rich guy, the successful guy. They keep talking about wanting a nice guy to be the father of their children. Indirectly they reward the guy that is successful by our social norms.

Us: talking about women being afraid of being raped or killed.

You: talking about men being afraid of not getting dates.

These things are not equivalent, Jules. You keep moving the goalposts around, but we know you’re full of shit.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Jules

Also dont we all feel entitled to better everything?

Women aren’t things.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Jules

I’m just trying to figure out why expectations like these are wrong. Unless it ends with a crime such as rape, violence or murder

LIKE ELLIOT RODGERS. You know, the dude this post is about? The guy who MURDERED PEOPLE? Hello?

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Summatizes two of the studies begin pay walls.

In an oft-cited study, for ex- ample, Malamuth (1981) discovered that 35% of college men expressed some proba- bility of raping a woman if they knew they would not be caught. More recently, it was found that 48% of college men acknowledged some likelihood of assaulting a woman, and 19% admitted it would be likely or very likely if they knew there would be no penalty or consequences for committing sexual assault (Burgess, 2007). In a survey of 264 college men across 22 universities, 90% of respondents noted that they had acted in sexually aggressive ways in bar or party contexts, leading the researchers to con- clude that sexual aggressiveness appears to be normative in these settings (Thompson & Cracco, 2008).

It is also pretty interesting in and of itself, though it was a fairly small sample size. It looked at the attitudes of college aged men to a one-day rape prevention program aimed at men and their adherence to rape myths.

Of one hundred and fifty-seven respondents, only seventeen (11%) agreed that men should be responsible for prevention efforts.

Male entitlement: men aren’t responsible to not rape.

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

“Women can internalize patriarchy and play a role in upholding it but it is still patriarchy and it is still mostly held up men, who are the ones that benefit from it.”

If you want my opinion corporations and people with money are benefiting.

Please explain this further because I was talking about the pressure for men to marry a woman? Are you saying that marriage as a whole is by product of the patriarchy? I would have said religion mainly. Which is predominantly a patriarchy. My question is how are average men benefiting from this today?

Jules
Jules
10 years ago

RE: Jules

Don’t women have a role in this pressure at all? They pay more attention to the rich guy, the successful guy. They keep talking about wanting a nice guy to be the father of their children. Indirectly they reward the guy that is successful by our social norms.

Us: talking about women being afraid of being raped or killed.

You: talking about men being afraid of not getting dates.

These things are not equivalent, Jules. You keep moving the goalposts around, but we know you’re full of shit.”

I’m sorry I thought we were talking about why men feel entitled to women. I didn’t change the subject. All of a sudden we are talking about rape.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Summatizes two of the studies begin pay walls” should read “Summarizes two of the studies behind payrolls.” Autocorrect, “summatizes” isn’t even a word.

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