When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
Sung to the tune of I’ve Got the Golden Ticket from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
I never thought my his manifesto could be
Interpreted so inaccurately
But suddenly I begin to see
A bit of stupid trollishness in me
‘Cause I’ve got a golden fedora
I’ve got a golden twinkle in my eye
I never had a chance to blame it all on women
Never an ableist song to sing
But suddenly I realize the victims of misogyny are truly men
What an amazing thing
‘Cause I’ve got a golden ticket
[Spoken]
It’s yours, Spinning for difficulty!
[Sung]
I’ve got a golden fedora up on my head
I never thought I’d see the day
When I would face the world and say
Good morning, I see not misogyny
I never thought that I would be
Slap in the lap of blaming misandry
‘Cause I’d have said:
It couldn’t be done
But it can be done
I never dreamed that I would climb
To the heights of irrationality
But nevertheless, it’s there that I’m
Always going to be
‘Cause I’ve got a golden fedora
I’ve got a golden chance to misogyny away
And with a golden fedora, it’s a golden day
[Spoken]
Good morning, look at only the sons!
[Sung]
‘Cause I’d have said,
It couldn’t be done
But it can be done
I never dreamed that I would climb
To the heights of irrationality
But nevertheless, it’s there that I’m
Always going to be
‘Cause I’ve got a golden fedora
‘Cause I’ve got a golden fedora
I’ve got a golden chance to misogyny away
And with a golden fedora, it’s a golden day
WWTH,
Bravo!
Reblogged this on Pistosaurius.
@wwth
Well done.
@jules
See, I would care about this a lot more if it weren’t something women get told way moreso. Where’s the dude-equivalant to ‘you’re going to be alone with all your cats’?
like why is this whole thread either a)ableist garbage or b) waht about the men?
Applauds to everyone who managed to read spinning whatever’s tl;dr.
@SFD
Your logical anysis is poor. You’re engaging in way too much rationalizing and confirmation bias in order to reduce your cognitive dissonance. Better get that checked.
Best example to refute your “logic”:
That dumb anti semite who recently shot up a jewish center, think it was retirement home. Anyway he cleay intended to kill jews and yet NONE of the three people (I believe it was 3) were jews. However NO ONE tried to rationalize away the fact that he was an anti semite despite him having killed non-jews only.
The KKK really care about black people, man. Can’t you just feel the love when they burn a cross on someone’s lawn? Neo-Nazis, now there’s another group that really cares. About Jewish people, specifically. Yep, nobody cares about Jewish people quite as much as a neo-nazi.
This one has broken my “trolling or just stupid?” meter. I think I should be allowed to send him the repair bill.
@enhancedvibes
um, Idk about this shooting, but I know the last anti semite shooting I heard about some people did try to deny it was anti semitism, so can we not be doing this thing again?
There are still people in the here in Southern US who claim The Civil War was not fought over slavery.
Anything but the truth…
@maried
I meant the last one in the US, see link below. I dont recall reading anything where anyone tried to rationalize shooter was not anti-semite, despite his kills, bc he was a known white supremacist and ex-kkk. This will likely be considered a hate crime per the law.
http://www.kansascity.com/2014/05/27/5049065/new-charges-filed-in-overland.html
Bah, I ninja’d myself again, stupid sensitive phone!
@lea
I live in the south and originally from mid-atlantic region. I find it especially funny whenever someone down here says “the war of northern aggression.” Even some (right leaning) politicians still call it that. So sad, but makes for lots of laughs.
@enhancedvibes
I couldn’t tell if you meant always, or just the last one.
But either way, usually ‘it wouldn’t have happened to a different oppressed group’ makes me pretty uncomftorable.
Reblogged this on Soph Chesterman.
“You seem blissfully unaware of all the cultural applauding of the playboy, of the encouragement of “sowing wild oats”, of “playing the field”, the digs at having been “trapped” by “the ball and chain” which positively laud the sexually active single man.
vs the SPINSTER-shaming, “when are you going to find a man”, poor lonely old woman with cats, slut-shaming scorn, pity and derision for the single woman.”
Women are more prone to say these things to single women. I’m sorry but I dont see this being pressured on single women by men. Maybe 50 years ago it was different.
Magazine covers do anything to sell you a dream doesn’t mean thats how it is in real life. Fair enough, plenty of pressure on single women as well specially when they are young. I’m not here to try to value anyone’s needs over others. That’s the definition of selfish.
All I intended to say was that ‘entitlement’ isn’t exactly the cause of men trying to be with women. Its their psychological dependents and what society pressures on and expects from men.
@Jules
…wow…
True, entitlement doesn’t make men try to be with women.
Entitlement is what makes them explode in monstrous ways when they don’t succeed.
RE: Jules
I’m not here to try to value anyone’s needs over others. That’s the definition of selfish.
And yet, here you are on a post about a mass shooter, making it all about you and your feelings on sexism. That’s not selfish at ALL.
Get out, asshole.
“Psychological dependents”
So, those would be children? Can you claim an exemption for psychological dependents on your taxes?
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@jules
I think all this peer pressure from society forces men to validate their self worth by having a women in their lives.
See, I would care about this a lot more if it weren’t something women get told way moreso. Where’s the dude-equivalant to ‘you’re going to be alone with all your cats’?
like why is this whole thread either a)ableist garbage or b) waht about the men?
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The equivalent can be so many. ” you will die alone”, ” you aren’t worthy of a family”, “what about your legacy”
Not justifying it and honestly I agree. Its probably 50/50 as women are under the same pressure. I mentioned this because I dont think most men feel ‘entitled’ to women. They just hope they end up with a good one. That’s most men I know. They dont approach this subject with confidence and they dont talk about it like they are entitled to it. Everybody is acting like all men feel ‘entitled’ to having a women like in the dark ages.
“@Jules
…wow…
True, entitlement doesn’t make men try to be with women.
Entitlement is what makes them explode in monstrous ways when they don’t succeed.”
So are you saying all straight men feel entitled to having a women? I know Eliott felt entitled but are you saying every single man is the same?
RE: Jules
I dont think most men feel ‘entitled’ to women.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHA
HAHAHA
HAHA
Oh, you’re cute. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
“RE: Jules
I’m not here to try to value anyone’s needs over others. That’s the definition of selfish.
And yet, here you are on a post about a mass shooter, making it all about you and your feelings on sexism. That’s not selfish at ALL.
Get out, asshole.”
How is this exactly about me? I’m sorry but last I checked the argument was that this guy represented misogyny in society as a whole. You sound upset
RE: Jules
So are you saying all straight men feel entitled to having a women?
Look, buddy, as one man to another, let me explain this to you in small words.
Straight men are encouraged to believe that they DESERVE women. ALL of them. Different straight men deal with this differently, but it is a part of my culture, so much so that it is completely unquestioned. Any man, as long as he is “nice” deserves a woman.
Back before I transitioned, I faced this. I had guys who felt they deserved to fuck me purely because they weren’t being outright cruel to me — and sometimes even if they were. I was raised in a family of incest and rape, because my grandfather believed he was entitled to fuck his daughter.
This is a widespread thing. My experience is not unusual or special. It is depressingly commonplace.
Of course all men aren’t the same. Nobody said that. YOU said that. What we’re saying is that when a society encourages men to believe they deserve women just because they’re men, that a lot of men will believe it.
That’s a very clumsy assessment of the argument. No surprise there, though. It seems the whole thing has gone over your head.
Hark at the melodious birdsong of the try-hard troll!
RE: Jules
You sound upset
THIS IS A POST ABOUT A MASS SHOOTER. Why WOULDN’T I be upset? Would you prefer I have absolutely no emotion at all and argue with you like a robot? I can, but I see no reason why you deserve the effort.