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Why Elliot Rodger's misogyny matters

A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female "hypergamy"
A chart posted by Elliot Rodger, giving his chilling spin on a manosphere meme depicting supposed female “hypergamy”

When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.

But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.

In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.

On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that

Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …

Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed.  Killing men is misogyny?  That’s an interesting interpretation.

Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.

On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”

Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.

But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.

The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.

Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.

The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.

Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …

The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.

I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.

Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:

Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.

Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.

Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.

Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote

Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.

Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.

This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that

We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.

In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that

One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.

Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.

And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that

it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.

Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.

There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)

But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.

He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.

I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:

Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.

He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.

To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.

The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.

Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.

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The Improbable Girl (@literary_lottie)

Wait, according to Cathy Young, saying that misogyny is a cultural problem is anti-male hate speech? Would she also argue that saying racism is a cultural problem is anti-white hate speech?

So you’re not allowed to call out the inequality or hatred of one group, because doing so infringes on the rights of another. That’s interesting logic. Well, “logic.”

I hope that this doesn’t need to be pointed out to commenters here, but regarding the Risperidone – there are tons of uses for an antipsychotic, inside and outside of psychiatry. Taking it – or another antipsychotic, or seeing multiple therapists – does not positively indicate that a person is violent or a potential threat. I myself was prescribed Risperidone in the past for my Bipolar Disorder, because it is often used off-label to treat mania. It can, as you pointed out, also temper irritability associated with autism, and many atypical antipsychotics such as Risperidone are used to treat seizures.

I know it can be really tempting to say “well, he was on an antipsychotic, so he must have been psychotic” – but please, on behalf of everyone who faces fear and hate because they are neuroatypical, don’t. We get enough shit after each mass shooting as it is.

(I say all this because I’ve been told by a *lot* of supposedly open-minded, pro-social justice people that taking an antipsychotic should be grounds for all sorts of intrusive, degrading policies, from letting local and federal government have access to my psychiatric records and therapy notes, to having local government keep track of where I live, to having law enforcement regularly “check up” on me in my own home. The idea that anyone who is prescribed an antipsychotic is a danger to themselves and others is bullshit, but it’s insidious, damaging bullshit.)

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Entitled to sex.”

No, the problem isn’t not getting laid. The problem is the sense of entitlement.

Brain bleach:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YB2WHOtmSHQ

Cute fluffy babies meeting cute human babies for the first time

Stevie
Stevie
10 years ago

cassandrakitty

Judging from some of the comments I fear that without an adoring slave to make said purchase, and a map, our lurkers may not manage to work out how to take advantage of Nature’s bounty…

Daft Wee Lass
Daft Wee Lass
10 years ago

I am not an expert but through reading about him and knowledge of mental health through studies, friends experiences and personal experiences. I think he sounded manic at times… Spending thousands on lottery tickets because he had to win, is a delusion of grandeur, believing he was above everyone else also seems to fit this.

However, anyone who denies his actions were a result of hate of women is plain naive.

Lee
Lee
10 years ago

Judging from some of the comments I fear that without an adoring slave to make said purchase, and a map, our lurkers may not manage to work out how to take advantage of Nature’s bounty…

Well, there’s always the magic of online shopping to bring their lube straight to their door, but I get the feeling that would be too much like work for them. 😛

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

There’s also the “finding your ass with both hands” issue to contend with.

A.Galley
A.Galley
10 years ago

It’s also why WHTM matters.

Cat
Cat
10 years ago

It is misogyny, no doubts, but it is so extreme that I think it is naturally to question the mental health of this person.
There is a myth going among MRAs that women can easy get sex and men don’t. As far as I remember time when I was a teenager I would say it is about the same. Most popular guys and girls easy get attention and sex while those that are not so popular don’t. It is quite a banality. I had female friends that were not extremely attractive and they had problems to find a boyfriend. It happened all the time that she liked a guy a lot and he wanted nothing to do with her. Many girls in that kind of situation tried to be a good friend and a nice person. It still was rare that they could win the guy’s heart by being a good friend but eventually they found a guy that liked them and that they liked back. There were girls that dwelt about how it is unfair that they are not popular and hated all guys around. Usually such an attitude made their life more difficult. Friends tried to convince them to change the attitude and to enjoy the world around. Besides sexual part of life there are many other aspects – sport, carrier, hobby, friends, travel. Usually they were able to find a boyfriend after they changed their attitude and become more friendly and open to people and less focus on sexuality.
It looks to me that there are many guys with exactly the same problems and they need to learn to enjoy other aspects of life and accept rejection. Even the most good looking guy could be rejected. And even the most good looking girl can be rejected. Love is something magical. Society must explain guys that they are not at the market here. He could even be good looking and successful and a girl he likes could reject him for no reason. Just because the pheromones didn’t match, lol. It doesn’t mean he is a loser. There are no losers here. The real goal is to find a person that you will have mutual feeling. There is no place for the arrogant attitude like ” I wound only date a blonde with the longest legs and biggest boobs”.
Although same type of attitude sometimes stays on the way of girls happiness. We also sometimes think that we don’t want date a gay that makes less money than we do or that has less advanced degree. Instead I think we should listen the heart.
Still I think that girls learned to deal better with rejection. There were books and psychological articles for women how to deal with rejection and still feel attractive and keep looking… or, well, maybe sometimes work a little on losing some extra pounds, or focus on carrier, or on education, or find an interesting hobby. I though that guys were focus on getting an interesting job, they usually have lots of interesting hobbies and they are not obsessed with getting marriage at certain age and get kids LOL. So I thought that they didn’t have these problems. On the top of that in Western countries guys traditionally took rejection quite well by transferring the negative energy into positive creative writing. Lot of poetry was written by guys that were broken hearted. Still when I am reading some MRA’s story about evil women that reject them I almost tempted to give then some women’s magazines with the articles about how to handle a break up or rejection from the opposite sex without lowering self-esteem or getting mad on all the opposite gender…

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

It is misogyny, no doubts, but it is so extreme that I think it is naturally to question the mental health of this person.

For the millionth time, no. Just stop with this and you gender essentialist crap.

Ally S
10 years ago

All right, I’ve got to get something off my chest:

I believe there is an additional element here that is obscuring the murderous, misogynistic motivations of this killer. It is white supremacy. Countless women of color are killed in cold blood in the name of white male entitlement. Yet those victims are ignored because their lives are considered worthless and burdensome to society. Indigenous women in rural South Dakota are raped, tortured, and murdered by white men yet almost no one cares about the safety of these women.

I’m willing to bet that, if society gave equal recognition to women of color murdered by entitled white men, then these disabilist narratives in defense of misogynist killers would be far less prevalent. Because it would help establish that this kind of crime is far more frequent than any of us would like to admit. And so the disabilist explanation serving to highlight the ostensible “rarity” of this crime would lose its power significantly.

wooster87
10 years ago

Reblogged this on woosterlang87 and commented:
Why misogyny matters-We Hunted The Mammoth

Stevie
Stevie
10 years ago

cassandrakitty

And as you probably noticed I’m pretty pessimistic on that front as well, though we could have a slogan, and maybe even a PowerPoint presentation:

‘Can’t find your ass with both hands? Great, at least you’re closer to the ballpark!

kittehserf
10 years ago

‘Can’t find your ass with both hands? Great, at least you’re closer to the ballpark!

I’m sending you an invoice for keyboard cleanup now.

BTW have you had a Welcome Package yet?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Please remember to return balls to the proper storage and containment units after use. Do not attempt to scatter balls around places where women tend to gather (like feminist blogs).

Stevie
Stevie
10 years ago

Kittehserf

Sorry about that, and no I have not yet received my Welcome Pack. I’m in England, where it is around 3 am; I should be delighted to peruse it after some zzzz. It’s been great meeting you all, hence staying long after bedtime, but I need the zzzs..

cloudiah
10 years ago

If he had been able to gain access to that sorority, perhaps the death toll would have been more to Judgy Bitch’s liking.

Crip Dyke
10 years ago

David? Perhaps you could pop over to Pharyngula and read the comments at this thread for an idea why psychologizing and pathologizing not only isn’t helping but is actively causing problems.

I’d appreciate it. An efficient way to get to the meat of the matter is to search for the comments of “Louis”.

jayemgriffin
10 years ago

@sparky: GODDAMMIT IT’S SO CUTE I HAVE TO PUNCH SOMETHING.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Niters, Stevie!

Don’t worry, my keyboard has to get LOTS of scrubs from splortlaughing on this site. 🙂

Crip Dyke – I’m following that thread now. I wish I could figure out how to log in. That “sex is a right” guy – damn, he can’t back down fast enough from that horrible rapey phrasing. ::hurl::

Funny how it’s only men’s right to sex he seems interested in. I am shocked, shocked I say.

mcbender
10 years ago

That graphic of his is incredibly chilling.

David, you’ve once again hit the nail on the head. One of the things I’ve been thinking about here is that, even if Rodger was mentally ill and that contributed to the extreme nature of his beliefs, that does not change the fact that he would not have developed these particular beliefs were it not for external influences (beginning, no doubt, with parts of mainstream culture, and snowballing once he encountered the manosphere).

I think, if anything, one of the things we should learn from this is how dangerous echo chambers like the MRM can be, especially as they become further and further divorced from reality (for a lighter example of a similar phenomenon, who else remembers Karl Rove’s disbelieving breakdown on Fox News as he was forced to admit Romney lost the election?) and reinforce each other in those delusions. (I’m trying to avoid ableist language here, but it’s difficult – is there a word other than delusion for “persistent false beliefs impervious to evidence” that does not play into mental health stigma?)

It’s impossible to deny that the ideas of the online misogynist community are at least partially responsible for what Rodger did (or it should be; the apologists have been out in force attempting to do so, so I shouldn’t say impossible). Ideology kills.

I have no idea how one would go about trying to solve this problem, but I would think it has to begin with teaching empathy, and ideally from a young age…

kittehserf
10 years ago

sparky – love that video! Especially the kitty at about 1.30 – “AAAAHHHH IT MOVED IT’S ALIVE!”

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

Misogynists love to blame 2nd wave feminism and the sexual revolution for their inability to get dates and/or sex. The late 60’s is when it all went wrong.

Funnily enough, I was just watching an episode of the Twilight Zone yesterday called “Agnes.” This nerdy computer technician who is the very definition of friendzoned nice guy is trying to date his coworker Millie. He’s very awkward and failing to get her to fall in love with him. He seeks romantic advice from Agnes the room sized early ’60s computer. He eventually loses Millie to a suave handsome guy who’s kind of douchey because Agnes falls in love with Mr. Nice Guy and sabotages his efforts to date Millie.

Apparently some men had trouble finding dates before the sexual revolution gave the evil wimmenz the choice to only pick alpha males.

Sorry if that’s a slightly off topic teal deer, I just found it really hilarious.

Crip Dyke
10 years ago

@kittehserf

I’ve seen you comment over there before. You must have a login – did you just forget your password?

Is there barrier I can help you surmount? Love to have your voice.

kittehserf
10 years ago

I can’t figure out what it is, Crip Dyke! When I try to log in with Google, I get an error message – it goes to a blank screen. When I try with my blog URL, it doesn’t accept it because my blog identity is my Yahoo email, not the gmail one I generally use. When I try my Yahoo email, it says it can’t log me in. When I try registering over again, the text boxes for user name and password are blocked out under the banner (the pics of Darwin et al).

FTB hates me.

::sob::

carriekube1
carriekube1
10 years ago

I’ve read the manifesto up to his middle school years and it seems to me that he’s had narcissistic (if not sociopathic) tendencies since he was a kid. He never really compliments anyone (even his folks) for what they do for him or values them as people. Even the popular kids he tries to hang with are nothing more than accessories to compliment himself.