When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
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Bullshit.
The only way in which he’s really an outlier is that he killed people.
The misogyny… yer swimming in it. Like a fish you just have no word for water.
I think the disposition of sexuality. means women get to say no.
The only way in which he is an “outlier” is his body count.
How terrifying that people like him are still out there. Anyone who claims that this is not an act of misogyny is either a misogynist himself/herself or completely misguided. Refreshing to read about this from a man’s perspective.
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Even the crazy ones who commit killing sprees often seems brighter than a jackass who robs at a gas station. The issue with Elliot is very tragic just because of what he endured over the years in the eve of feminism. A guy who lost his manhood on the way to adulthood. He was utterly confused and afraid in a society that women or should I call feminazis want to choose who they breed with and reject a lot who in their physical or personality seems creepy. If Elliot lived in a different era… he would have his girl and eat it too.
I would know what the author of this article thinks about bloggers who want “National Castration Day” to actually be a part of our society.
Are the authors of these articles, who seek to “tame the wild beast that is men” just as mentally deranged and misandrist as Rodgers was a misogynist, or will the author defend the actions of those who wish to see every man castrated as a “victim of society” where Rodgers apparently was not, despite being bullied by both males and females.
It should be interesting to see if the same double standard applies or not.
I would like you to google “National Castration Day” and tell me that men do not have as much to fear as women do from insane people.
@Omay
Of course women should have the right to choose who they “breed” with, you asshole. I don’t know if you noticed but women are people, and they have rights, you can’t just go handing them off to fucking murderers to keep them from killing people. Seriously, this shouldn’t need to be explained.
“eve of feminism” is that like Christmas eve? Sounds like it should be some kind of pagan right where we all get naked and dance in the woods.
*rite (bleh)
So, Omay, if you’re a woman as your avatar suggests, and not just another sockpuppeting man – do you think you should have no choice in who you have sex with, or when and if you give birth? Do you really want to be a slave?
Rodger never even attempted to approach women. He expected a hot blonde to be dropped into his lap. Oh, and women of colour? Not even human according to him, any more than men of colour.
Fuck off with your idiotic trolling.
And put scrunchies on our strap-ons…
::raises hand::
Can we keep some sort of footwear on? Because stones and splinters and stuff.
Cody and Omay:
wow
such unique
very theory
misandry
much mra
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Oh, and it’s funny how we have had at least five reports of male violence against women in the past week yet nothing about women castrating numerous men. It’s almost as if misandry don’t real.
Now I want a feminism advent calendar. It could feature mammoths and candles and be-spanxed penguins and attack chickens. All kinds of fun things!
National Castration Day? Citation needed.
The fact that you know even us evil misandering feminists likely haven’t heard of this tells me men don’t have cause to fear this.
Yet 3 women are killed by domestic violence every day. And that’s just in the US.
http://nnedv.org/getinvolved/dvam/1307-dvam-blog-series-1.html
Fuck off.
So what you’re saying is that in a world without feminism he’d have committed cannibalism too. Guess it’s a good thing that feminism came along, then, huh?
Well, against my better judgement, I did indeed Google “National Castration Day.” Nothing came up but a defunct blog entry by someone name “Femitheist Divine,” who I’ve never heard of, and a bunch of MRA sites about said blogger.
What I didn’t find? Widespread support among the feminist community (or indeed, support from any other feminist at all, besides this “Femitheist Divine”) or news reports of men getting castrated by feminists.
So, no, I don’t think men have as much to fear from “National Castration Day” as women have to fear from violent misogynist men.
And, Omay? Rodger isn’t tragic. Rodger is a hate-filled, entitled, privileged mass murderer.
His victims – therein lies the tragedy.
I think the point that SweetMagentaRoses was making was not to give too much attention to the perpetrator himself, the media coverage and notoriety possibly encouraging other narcissistic misogynists/racists to pursue a martyrdom style assault on women and PoC, because at least that way they get noticed, they get the recognition they crave and believe they deserve, posthumously. SMR explicitly states we shouldn’t ignore misogyny, but shouldn’t focus so much attention around one person or even a handful of such perpetrators, but work with the intent of reducing future assaults/murders of this type.
If you disagree with this approach, that’s fine, but I think it’s in poor taste and dishonest to put words in the mouth of another and follow up with a “fuck off” and a personal shaming attack.