When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
I suspect that it has not occurred to the trolls that the educational system in the USA is not typical of educational systems world wide.
Of course, there seem to be an awful lot of things which have not occurred to the trolls…
What is a trakkie-dakked couple?
You read 140 pagees of misogynist screed and all you can say is “What about the Menz?”
Really? Try reading for comprehension.
A trakkie-dakked couple:
1. Me evilly introducing Oz slang
2. A couple wearing track-suit pants. Track = trakkie, daks (never have known how to spell it) = pants, trousers.
DRF, according to this story he was diagnosed with aspergers as a kid:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/justice/california-elliot-rodger-wealth/index.html
I don’t know if this diagnoses was revised later or what. He never mentions aspergers in his manifesto.
Exactly how many times do we have to say that women do not owe sex to anyone? Because my computer has that copy-paste thing, yanno, and I could take care of that all in one swoop.
That is to say, if it’s acceptable for a man to be bitter because he’s not getting sex from women, the only reasonable conclusion to draw is that a man is owed a certain quantity of sexual experience, and therefore that this sex is owed to him by women – actual women. The conclusion is vile; therefore something is very wrong with the premise.
If one said “How does someone get to such a wrong place that he somehow thinks he has a right to sex?” that would be okay, but I cannot fathom how anyone can get this the wrong way around and say there is something reasonable about blaming women for the actions of an asshole.
This all just seems to come from people whose mindset suggests that they tattoo little silhouettes of women on their penises after every sexual encounter.
I know this is a difficult concept for someone such as yourself who is steeped in male entitlement, but sometimes it isn’t about you. Stop doing the what about teh menz thing.
He only resented other men because they obtained the trophies and shiny objects* he couldn’t get.
* Trophies and shiny objects being women because as a misogynist (like you probably), he didn’t see us as fully human.
Whether misogyny drove Rodgers to act or some deeper mental illness which manifested itself as such, it seems to me that he is such an outlier that any analysis of his motives tell little beyond what he was thinking – within a seriously twisted and clearly challenged brain. Spree killers have their motivations…does such analysis provide a preventive? I don’t know.
@shiraz
I need to figure out if my dad is a jock or a nerd, according to trolly. He plays soccer, does karate, and works out in free time, but he’s also a microbiologist who did a ridiculously large amount of school.
He’s a jerk too, but that’s not terribly relevant.
And I so cannot deal with all the ableist trolls today. I’ll just ignore them :/
Props for you guys who actually are calling them out, as well as ‘what about the men’ troll
Aaand that explains where all the new commenters (both good and horrible) are coming from. Woohoo for David!
Sigh. Are people just dropping comments without looking at the whole thread? We’ve been over this, and over this, and over this.
As has been stated several times, whether or not he was mentally ill is not relevant to whether or not he was a misogynist and motivated by his misogyny. Most mentally ill people are not violent.
The thing is, Rodger’s opinions were very similar to the opinions of every other misogynist. He says the same things the people covered in this blog say. In terms of ideology, he wasn’t an outlier at all. His opinions are terrifyingly normal. The only difference is, he acted on it.
I’m guessing based on the avatar picture that you identify as a man. I apologize if that’s wrong. It’s a part of male privilege that you have the luxury of seeing this as a rarity. For those of us who actually have to deal with misogyny all the time, it is a common attitude taken to an extreme.
I really wish people would lurk a little bit before jumping into the comments sections to spew the same bullshit we’ve heard a million times before.
WWTH:
But then they’d see that their profound insight is neither profound nor insightful, and their poor egos would never recover.
cerabellum:
Because a desire to put all women into a concentration camp and watch and gloat from a tower as we starve to death is “so called belittlement of females.”
And, the punishment for women not sleeping with men like Elliot Rodger is death. We just need to accept responsibility that our having sexual agency and being attracted to whoever we’re attracted to, and not Nice Guys ™ like Elliot Rodger, will cause us to get shot. I mean, you really can’t blame the man who chose to pick up a knife and a gun and go out and injure and kill a hunch of people, right? He was sexually frustrated. And of course, being sexually frustrated absolves all men from any kind of guilt.
They do, and you don’t seem to grasp them.
Wut?
Nope. Mental illness does not cause hatred. Being a hate-filled asshole is not mental illness. WTF is the “disposition of sexuality?”
But yeah, sexuality doesn’t cause hatred either.
Which we’re not doing. We are specifically blaming Elliot Rodger for his actions, which you and a whole bunch of other people seem to be bending over backwards to excuse and to place the blame on “females” who didn’t sleep with him. What we are also placing the blame on is a culture if toxic masculinity and misogyny in which women are viewed as objects, men are viewed as having an absolute right to sex from women, and men are viewed as justified for killing people when they don’t get teh secks from the female toys.
And when a man explicitly says he is going to go out and kill women because he hates women, everyone looks for any motivation but hatred of women.
Dammit!
roopost:
It did. Rodger said he was going to kill women because he hated women.
Why is this even a question? Rodger left a 140 page screed and multiple YouTube videos.
Rodger hated women. He said he was going to kill women because he hated women. This is not some deep, difficult mystery.
*shakes fist* FRESHLY PREEEEEESSSSSSSEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD!
What’s Freshly Pressed? Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
Your post appears on the WordPress front page. Drums up a fair amount of traffic but I’m not positive that’s a good thing right now.
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I’m late to this party but WTF, why are there SO MANY PEOPLE claiming just because he killed more men than women than that negates his 140+pg diatribe about how much he hates women and anyone associated with them, who are apparently “getting them” instead of him and means instead that he hates both men and women therefore, misanthropy? He killed those guys BECAUSE he hated women, at the crux of his whiny child angry manifesto. I cant believe people are so stupid to argue it can’t be because of misogyny because he only killed two women, that is some specious bullchit.
That fMRA driversuz had the gall to ask me, honestly, didn’t i understand compassion for this young man? To which I responded, none whatsoever.
“Won’t someone please, please think of the poor hate-filled, entitled, privileged mass murderer?”
Thanks of the information. I hadn’t paid much attention to this story because oddly I’ve preoccupied writing a series on dealing with this very type of angry. Not specifically aimed at women, but against others in general. The internet is very good at isolating information and since I don’t generally look for hate material it barely occurred to me there would be so many sites dedicated to this hate. I mean I knew they had to exist, it’s internet, but it was always a passing thought. I was debating whether or not to post my current project online, but now I think I will. Even if only a few people read it – and given the draw of my blog, a few, would be a generous estimate 😛 – at least there is one more thing else out there countering the acrimony.
This video came out the day after your article and it sounds an awfully-lot similar to yours
Quick question:
Where the fuck in history did jealousy cause a hate crime?
Black men can play basketball: Birth of KKK
Thank you. It’s refreshing to see the men starting to speak up!
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