When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
I think the primary difference when comparing Rodger to a white supremacist or an anti-Semite is that Rodger’s misogyny is rooted not in simple hatred of The Other, but a jealous rage at his inability to attain a relationship (sexual and/or emotional) with women. A Neo-Nazi doesn’t hate Jews because he openly and desperately wants to be part of a Jewish family; he hates them because they are different and he views them as an entirely unwelcome presence.
Speaking of Roger’s victims, I haven’t seen any article mentioning the sex of the thirteen people he wounded. I did see an interview of a witness who saw three women shot in front of the sorority, he tended to the one who survived. So while Judgybitch is crowing about there being more male victims and pretending that matters, she actually doesn’t know if more women or men were shot.
Redvenomweb,
Quite a lot of misogynists do have wives, girlfriends and sexual partner. Wanting a sexual relationship with someone and hating them is not mutually exclusive.
Also, misogynists other women all the time.
You’re bending over backwards to excuse hate here.
Rodgers didn’t want to meet a woman who he could form a family with, he wanted a blonde trophy that would grant him the status he craved from other men. There is absolutely nothing in any of his writing that indicates that he thought of women as people, or was capable of forming human relationships with us. We were a means to an end, whether the end was getting his rocks off or getting respect from other men.
Great comment from Chuck Wendig’s blog piece on this:
http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2014/05/25/not-all-men-but-still-too-many-men/comment-page-3/#comments
Reblogged this on My Beaten Track and commented:
This is something that, right now, is being discussed quite a bit. I’ve been a part of that. I’m pretty sure my friends on Facebook are kind of tired of me bringing it up, actually. It is a sensitive topic for me, but the discussions that have come out of it have been rather fruitful and eye-opening (something I find especially important just because I do tend to become a bit eyes-closed, if you will, about issues that are sensitive). This article is absolutely fantastic in the way that it discusses the happenings of the shooting. It brings up things and spells things out that I wasn’t aware of, or things that aren’t said enough – things like the reason more men were killed than women is because they were merely in the way of the sorority house. The fact that despite being mentally troubled (to say the least) doesn’t detract from the fact that he was a misogynist, and if things had unfolded more according to his plan, there would be a lot more people being mourned in relations to this incident.
Sadly, I think some people feel rather defeated about the issue of misogyny at large, though. It is true, when you look at the big picture all across the world, it is a massive, widespread problem. What can one person do? I think it is important to keep your eyes located within a local scope. Start with your own self, even. There’s not one person who can say they’ve been unaffected by strange, unhealthy ideals. Even earlier today, I was reading some articles on improving body love, realising that I had let the negative talk get to me again, and I had started viewing my body as a mere object of beauty (or lack thereof). This is not what any body should be – bodies are functioning mechanisms that house a soul. Well, this is what I believe. The most important thing is that we function. Beauty is not directly essential to one’s own survival.
Then we can go from here, and contribute positively to others in their own journeys with mind and body. Question why insults are sexist of nature when they pop up – I know sometimes it subconsciously comes out of my mouth! It’s something I’m working on. In short, I think it’s one of those “one bite at a time” kind of situations, and I really think it can be done if enough people are brave enough to take the first steps in their local sphere.
@kittehserf: That is a good blog piece, too. I especially like the simple, yet effective advice:
Every man should understand this very simple thing: Instead of desperately trying to protect your ego and perceived sense of moral superiority by asserting yourself negatively in relation to the mythical “all men”, try listening to women’s experiences. No “but I’m not like that!”s, no “not all men!”s, no playing devil’s advocate, just listening.
And for the love of god(s), don’t assume a female identity on the web and try to convince women that their experiences are flawed, that not all men are like that (duh), and that women should not be worried in the presence of men, all that on a thread dealing with a man who hated women and wanted them dead. Seriously, I’m still not caught up on the whole Erin clusterfuck. What the hell happened there?
If you are for some reason feeling compelled to impersonate a woman on the internet, helpful hint! When women are annoyed with each other, “you’re being a whore!” is not typically the go-to way of expressing the concept “I think you are a bad person”. It’s amazing how many dudes are unable to grasp this fact.
Hard to summarise that Erin saga – trollboy got outraged when called out for talking shit even though he was pretending to be a woman (‘cos feminists never call out other women, amirite?) and launched into a tantrum using the oldest and most tired wannabe insults he could come up with. On his six hundred and fiftieth flounce, he said “PUAhate forever”, which makes his rantings a little more understandable: can’t have the wimminz afraid that lot all hate us as much as their mate Rodger did, can we?
Though it did lead to the Attack Chickens and Marie’s statue, and pics of cats dressed as pimps, so that’s something.
cassandra – yeah, he gave himself away the minute he did that.
Like, if a conversation goes like this?
Suzy : And that’s the reason why I think that the new House appropriations bill is a bit misguided
I’mJaneNoReallyI’mAGirl : Oh yeah? I bet you’re really ugly.
Suzy : Huh? What does that have to do with the bill?
I’mJaneNoReallyI’mAGirl : Stupid slut!
Suzy : Oh, right. Yes, “Jane”, I totally believe that you’re a girl.
You’d think they’d eventually learn that in order to get away with pretending to be women they’d have to knock that shit off, but nope.
More or less obvious than talking about seeing a bra in the laundry?
That’s a difficult question, katz! 😀
Caught up now. That was… an experience, all right. But it was enjoyable as all heck, thanks to you guys carefully peeling off the troll’s rhetoric piece by piece. And the meltdown was just glorious.
Indeed. Throughout the entire length of his 140-page whine, there isn’t the slightest indication of him regarding women as people. They’re mostly unattainable blonde hotties who “reject” him by not making eye contact, but even his descriptions of women that he’s related to are overwhelmingly objectified – I got very little sense of his mother and stepmother as individuals, and they were judged exclusively by their actions (failing to marry a wealthy man in the case of his mother). Even his sister barely registered except when she got a boyfriend, which was the cue for an unnecessarily anatomically detailed description of what she was (probably) getting up to.
He may have desperately desired a girlfriend, but I saw no evidence at all that he had the emotional maturity to hold down a relationship for long. In fact, he kept banging on about what a “gentleman” he was, but being a gentleman doesn’t involve skulking in a corner saying nothing: it frequently involves jumping through social hoops that he might not want to jump through, and not for the sake of getting laid either.
He implicitly said that he would also target men that were sexually active, as he hated them. He also said he would slaughter the entire human race if given the chance.
And the main/only label you want to throw out is misogynist?
He couldn’t even maintain friendships: his toxic views drove away the few he’d had.
Jesus god, there’s still men complaining about “jerk jocks?”
Do they know “Revenge of the Nerds” wasn’t a documentary? And that a hell of a lot of people don’t ID as a nerd or jock or consider themselves both. The universe really isn’t binary.
Who brought that up again? Some troll named cerabellum or whatever? The white hot dork rage was strong with that one. Women deserve “belittlement” for not banging the math club? What kind of hateful little asshole are you? Stay away from women, son, until you stop othering them.
Females?
Really?
Again?
Not women, but feeeemaaaaales.
…but misogynist men are only “supposedly” belittling women.
..and this information that women only like “jock assholes”, it came from where?
It came from a misogynist website that tells stupid chumps like you evopsych bullshit to excuse your misogyny and you fell for it, just like the killer you have so much sympathy for.
First, no. Just …no.
Women do not all prefer one kind of man. Not all women are even attracted to men.
Second, are you suggesting that all athletes are assholes or that women supposedly only prefer to fuck the athletes that are jerks?
Either way, you are looking at the world through the lens of your own bitterness and insecurities. You are not seeing reality. You’re seeing what you want to see.
You are telling yourself that women don’t like you because women are shallow and you are too wonderful to attract such horrible creatures, who you cannot bring yourself to refer to as if they are human, much less individuals. You aren’t being rejected because you are too nice or don’t posses the body of a “jock” (a term I’ve never heard an adult use to describe someone in my life). You are being rejected because you are a misogynist asshole. You aren’t half as educated as you think you are. You project flaws onto others as a way to feel secure about your own. You’re doing exactly what this killer did and you’re getting your warped views from the same place. If you had any self awareness , you’d be worried about what that says about you.
Thanks for making our point for us, though. The trolls in these threads have gone out of their way to show just how common the views held by this murderer were and where those views are coming from.
Yes and if he had got a girlfriend then I reckon he would have been a severely abusive partner. Also if he just had casual sex he would probably have been a very poor sexual partner and very inconsiderate, selfish and probably hurt his partner and sexually abuse them.
Also, a super gross thing, lots of people going “oh well if he could have gone to a prostitute he would have had sex and been fine”, well a) no because he wanted sex and a girlfriend as a trophy and paying for sex doesn’t achieve that and b) NOOOOONONO NO NO you don’t get to foist dangerous men off on sex workers they have it tough enough as it is, he would have been a very abusive and dangerous client for any sex worker, they aren’t disposable objects that you can throw abusive men at to protect “good women”.
Jess: What you talk about is why I spend so much of my feminist energy talking about parenting and kids’ media and related topics. I do what I can in my classroom, but what’s really important to me is getting through not just to my daughter, but to the people raising the boys who will be the men (track that…) she interacts with some day.
Trolls really do seem to live in a tiny world where a stereotyped version of the US school system is everything. Who are these mysterious jocks and nerds I’ve apparently spent my life admiring/disdaining? Where do the goth fellers (mostly partnered) I used to know fit into all this? For that matter, where do the ordinary everyday trakkie-dakked couples I see in the supermarket fit in?
Though I guess the latter don’t count, since the men have allowed themselves to be fobbed off with women who aren’t HB10s and are (quelle horreur) over 23.
… Now I’m trying to figure if Mr K fits the jock or nerd mould. I think my brain’s gonna break.
Thanks for speaking out on this troubling but important subject in these tough times for those in Santa Barbara. Also, congratulations for being Freshly Pressed. Given the number of blogs out there, it is a special honor. Good for you, and keep sharing your salient views.
Please stop saying that he was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. He wasn’t: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-frantic-parents-isla-vista-shootings-20140525-story.html