When a white supremacist murders blacks or Jews, no one doubts that his murders are driven by his hateful, bigoted ideology. When homophobes attack a gay youth, we rightly label this a hate crime.
But when a man filled to overflowing with hatred of women acts upon this hatred and launches a killing spree targeting women, many people find it hard to accept that his violence has anything to do with his misogyny. They’re quick to blame it on practically anything else they can think of – guns, video games, mental illness – though none of these things in themselves would explain why a killer would target women.
In the case of Elliot Rodger, who set out on Friday night aiming, as he put it in a chilling video, to “slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blonde slut” in a popular sorority house at the University of California, Santa Barbara, some Men’s Rights activists and other manospherians are doing their best to convince the world that misogyny had nothing to do with it.
On A Voice for Men, for example, Janet Bloomfield (who goes by the name JudgyBitch), notes that Rodger killed more men than women, and thereby declares that
Elliot was an equal opportunity hate monger, torn between wanting to kill women and wanting to kill men. …
Jessica Valenti proclaims that “misogyny kills”, blithely unconcerned with the fact that more men than women were killed. Killing men is misogyny? That’s an interesting interpretation.
Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.
On Twitter, meanwhile, cultural commenter Cathy Young, long sympathetic to Men’s Righsters, seems to think that Rodger’s rampage was entirely due to “mental illness” and argues that connecting Rodger’s rampage to a wider culture of misogyny is a form of “anti-male hate speech.”
Even more strangely, the proudly racist Steve Sailer – a hero to Heartiste and others in the “alt-right” wing of the manosphere – has declared that Rodger wasn’t motivated by misogyny but rather by “anti-Blondism,” and that his targeting of “ blonde sluts” in a popular sorority house was “an extremely intentional racial hate crime.” Never mind that the half-Asian Rodger idolized blonde women as superior (even as he hated them) and that his comments online are littered with rather crude, rather traditional racism against people who weren’t white.
But Sailer’s claim is little more than an attempt at a derail.
The fact is that Rodger made his misogyny very clear — in his videos, in his internet postings and most of all in his 140-page “manifesto,” which is filled with angry denunciations of women and elaborate fantasies of violent “retribution” towards them. As with many misogynists, his misogyny was largely driven by thwarted sexual entitlement: he desired women intensely but they (wisely) wanted nothing to do with him.
Consider the following passages from his manifesto. I’ve put some of the most disturbing bits in bold.
The most beautiful of women choose to mate with the most brutal of men, instead of magnificent gentlemen like myself. Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with. That decision should be made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring. This will cause humanity to become even more depraved with each generation. Women have more power in human society than they deserve, all because of sex. There is no creature more evil and depraved than the human female.
Women are like a plague. They don’t deserve to have any rights. Their wickedness must be contained in order prevent future generations from falling to degeneracy. Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such. … All women must be quarantined like the plague they are, so that they can be used in a manner that actually benefits a civilized society. …
The first strike against women will be to quarantine all of them in concentration camps. At these camps, the vast majority of the female population will be deliberately starved to death. That would be an efficient and fitting way to kill them all off. I would take great pleasure and satisfaction in condemning every single woman on earth to starve to death.
I don’t know about you, but to me that sounds just a little bit like misogyny.
Rodger saw his “Day of Retribution” as part of a war against women. Elsewhere in his manifesto he wrote:
Women’s rejection of me is a declaration of war, and if it’s war they want, then war they shall have. It will be a war that will result in their complete and utter annihilation. I will deliver a blow to my enemies that will be so catastrophic it will redefine the very essence of human nature.
Now, there is no question that he also hated certain kinds of men and boys – the “obnoxious brutes” he so often saw with the “pretty blonde girls” he simultaneously desired and despised. His manifesto is dotted with denunciations of them, as well as with denunciations of humanity as a whole. At one point, he posted a fantasy on PUAhate about killing all the men on earth with a virus so he could have all the women for himself. But he thought about, and wrote about, killing women all the time.
Indeed, even when he was bullied as a youngster, he directed most of his anger not at the bullies themselves but at their girlfriends.
Remembering one bullying incident from high school, he wrote
Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
Rodger was not only a misogynist; he was explicitly an enemy of feminism. While he doesn’t seem to have ever identified as a Men’s Rights activist per se – the only “rights” he seemed to be interested in were his own – his postings online echo the extreme and ignorant denunciations of feminism seen amongst MRAs and other manospherians.
This, too, has been denied by Men’s Rights activists. On AVFM, the “non-feminist” would-be “philosopher” Fidelbogen declares that
We have no evidence yet that Elliott Rodger was anything but apolitical in regard to feminism as such. He was not outspoken about feminism … He was only a sexually frustrated chump with mental issues, who apparently “hooked up” with PUA literature, and websites like “the Manhood Academy”.
In fact, Rodger attacked feminism explicitly in a number of comments on PUAhate, where rabid antifeminism is essentially the default ideology. In one comment, he declared bluntly that “feminism must be destroyed.” In another he predicted that
One day incels will realize their true strength and numbers, and will overthrow this oppressive feminist system.
Start envisioning a world where WOMEN FEAR YOU.
And while he saw PUAhate itself as “a putrid pit of despair,” he argued that
it does give a view of what the world is really like, what women are really like, and the evils of a feminist society.
Every male should read the posts here so that they can be awakened. There are too many delusional males worshipping women who would only spit in their faces.
There is no question that Rodger was a very disturbed man. I’m not a psychiatrist, nor do I have access to his medical or psychiatric records. But I would not be shocked to find that he was struggling with some sort of mental disorder or disorders. He was seeing several therapists, and a psychiatrist prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone for him; he refused to take it. This prescription in itself doesn’t prove he was psychotic; psych meds are often prescribed for off-label uses, and Risperidone is also used to reduce irritability in people with autism. (Rodger was reportedly diagnosed as having aspergers.)
But, as someone who has himself dealt with depression for decades, I cannot help but think, reading through his manifesto, that his thinking was, as mine has sometimes been, distorted by depression.
He was also clearly a narcissist, in the colloquial sense if not necessarily in the clinical sense, whose resentment of others was driven by narcissistic rage. And some of his pronouncements, particularly towards the end of his life, were so grandiose it’s hard to know whether these reflected his tendency towards melodrama, fueled by his love of fantasy literature and video games, or if they are symptoms of a delusional disconnection from the real world.
I don’t think, given the considerable evidence there is of his troubled state of mind, that raising these issues detracts from the main point, and that is:
Rodger was a misogynist through and through. In many ways his misogyny was his life. If you watch his videos and read his manifesto, you’ll see that he related anything and everything in his life to what he saw as the grand tragedy of his rejection by “girls,” a state of affairs he blamed entirely on the girls of the world and not on his own “magnificent” self.
He was utterly consumed by his sexual obsession with “pretty blonde girls” and their utter lack of interest in him, and, increasingly, by his elaborate fantasies of “retribution” against them, which ultimately led to his killing spree on Friday night.
To deny that he was driven by misogyny makes as little sense as denying that Hitler was driven by anti-Semitism.
The evidence is as clear-cut as it can be on this point. Anyone who can’t or won’t admit this is either an ideologue or a liar – or both.
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Thanks to Melody and several other readers for pointing me to some of the examples used in this post.
Wetherby,
It does always crack me up when trolls come in here (or other sites) thinking they can tell women what they’re attracted to in men. Apparently reading a few evo psych theories means they know better than me what I like. They don’t realize different cis-het women have varied tastes. They don’t realize lesbians, asexual women and trans women even exist.
The cluelessness is really hilarious because it always goes hand in hand with such an authoritative tone.
Logical question: If one has to have hot chicks to attract hot chicks, because bio truth, how does one acquire the first hot chicks?
I now feel a little ookie from writing that.
I vote to make ‘hot chick/babes’ mean baby chickens and piglets frolicking under a heat lamp.
“Bloomfield ignores the reason more men were killed than women: Rodger’s planned massacre of sorority women failed. He was unable to get inside the sorority house. And so he was forced to improvise.”
Oh, God, THANK YOU for pointing that out! All of these comments about the gender ratio of his murders are making me tear out my hair. It is very, very clear that the sorority house was his intended target, and the only reason that there wasn’t a massacre there is that Rodger was incompetent and the girls knew better than to let some random creepy dude into their house.
But we’ve already got the chickens frolicking around Erin’s statue, though I’m good to go with the piglets.
Of course, Ethan’s dilemma is just a variation on ‘why did the chicken cross the road’ – to meet all the other chickens- but sadly he does not appear to have grasped the ‘what came first, the chicken or the egg’ aspect of ‘you can only get hot chicks if you’ve already got hot chicks’.
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As I read this Hitler came to mind, because he too was a misogynystic megalomaniac. I feel for this man’s family because I have spent years trying to help my child get help for learning disabilities and other deficits. Once he was old enough to refuse to get in the car, counseling and taking medication stopped. Now he is an adult and I have no recourse except to pray I planted the seeds to help him continue to grow.
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Sweet Fucking Jesus: No body wants to admit the child
The “child” was 22 years old. He could vote. He could drink. He could enter into contracts.
He was a fucking adult.
No one wants to admit that he was a lot more common that we pretend.
Thanks for bringing this up! I couldn’t find the right words to express it
I know what women like, ladies. I read a website and it was full of men discussing how they couldn’t get bitches to fuck them, and they told me exactly what women like. They’d know, right? No, I see no flaws in this logic.
Oh, damn! Yet another night when brain declines to recognise that sleep is what it’s supposed to be doing, so herewith the obligatory ‘put lights on for 10 minutes and then try again’:
In the spirit of open minded enquiry I should like to know what the trolls, who visit here to tell us what we are attracted to in men, make of my marital history.
Husband 1 was six foot two inches and had dark hair.
Husband 2 was five foot seven and had blonde hair.
They both had blue eyes, but I’m fairly sure that even the MRA have not yet got to the point where they throw pity parties about their eyeballs, though I may be overly optimistic about that one.
And on that happy note my 10 minutes are up, and I’m going to try again.
this is so fucking sick to look at, it’s just gross… This kid makes me throw up, I have aspergers’ syndrome and I am a Feminist!!!
Also, let’s say for the sake of argument that men do use women as status markers and figure out their relationships to each other based on who has the biggest collection of hot babes, and that this is all men and not, say, college-aged frat boys. Why is that women’s fault? And, if it’s not women’s fault, why should we care? Do people really not see how unreasonable it is to go into a group full of women, rant about how hard it is not to be able to acquire us for getting-respect-from-their-friends purposes, and how our failure to make ourselves more easily acquired by everyone (everyone here assumed to mean every straight man, because nobody else counts) causes men so much pain, on a post about a man with the same mindset who murdered people, and act like the ambulatory status markers (ie women) should feel really really bad for them and fix it for them. And at no point during the process of reading the blog post, thinking of a comment, and posting it, have it occur to them that oh, hey, maybe women think of themselves as people even if I don’t, and maybe that might have an impact on how they respond to my demand that they be my status markers rather than some other guy’s.
Geez, I wonder why he finds it so hard to meet women who want to date him.
Looks to me like you’re one of the ones who’s not clear. Misogyny is the unconscious, taken-for-granted male assumption in our society, just like homophobia and racism. It’s not someone’s mental aberration that causes troubles, it’s the background from which that aberration grows.
Personally, I think you are reading too much into this. It is quite a simple issue. We are flesh and blood, sexual beings. The vast majority of us want sex and companionship. Eliot did not get this because he was awkward. He had aspergers, among other things, which made him socially undesirable. You can just as much blame females for preferring jock assholes as men for their so called belittlement of females. At the end of the day, the facts matter more. They are clear. He was mentally ill, compounding his hatred for women, resulting in violence. He probably would have killed just as many people and hated women just as much in a society where women were given time off for menstruation or whatever it is you want. His hate came out of mental illness and the disposition of sexuality. Blaming all men for his actions is laughable.
I vote to make ‘hot chick/babes’ mean baby chickens and piglets frolicking under a heat lamp.
Seconded!
On the “women want to fuck men who fuck hot babes” nonsense:, how is it that I was keen on Mr K, when he was mostly noted in his earthly life for not fucking the women he fell in love with (“do not commit adultery” being something he took seriously)?
Amazing.
His attitude towards women is clear. Any girl he wanted to go out with could probably tell and backed off. Thank you for spelling this out.
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Must-read on the Isla Vista terrorist.
I just want to say that this thread and this site in general has made me feel at least a little bit better about the terrible comments that I see go unchallenged about this. It’s cathartic. 🙂
I don’t want to risk summoning him, but we had a particular troll who did in fact throw a pity party for himself about one of his eyeballs.
His height, too.
Ethan sez:
We all need to run some little test to see the truth of this because everyone here is a straight man who, on principle, disbelieves everything women say about their own preferences. Certainly none of us are women who can just consult our own brains.
Morning height and evening height was priceless.
Amazing Post. Good work
I am unable to assess Brad Pitt’s attractiveness. Can someone tell me what his girlfriend looks like?