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Red Pill Dude: I don’t hate women. I just think they’re vindictive, hurtful, hateful, solipsitic child-stealing sociopaths who deserve no respect.

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You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?

I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?

Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.

So let’s hear this dude out, huh?

TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.

Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.

TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.

Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.

Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.

TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.

There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.

Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.

I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.

Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?

So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so  desperately want.

His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.

The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….

In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.

Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.

Oh wait, all of those things are true.

But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.

The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.

Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.

In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.

Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?

This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.

Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.

I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.

Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.

Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.

I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.

After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …

For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.

Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”

Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.

The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.

Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.

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Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!

I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.

The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But …  no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.

Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.

And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”

[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.

Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …

Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”

Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.

Definitely no misogyny here at all.

This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.

But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!

For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …

However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …

Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.

But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!

Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.

Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”

But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.

Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh! 

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Lili Fugit
Lili Fugit
10 years ago

There used to be kind of a joke that feminists used about how US white men had ruled the roost for 560 years and so to even things out everything would have to be reversed for another 560 years? Something like that? Anyway, it’s something I consider every time I hear or read a man whining about THE MOTHERS *ALWAYS* getting custody– because that’s historically a really recent phenomenom. In fact it wasn’t until the 1950’s that it became nearly a foregone conclusion (thought not if the daddy was rich, natch.)

So… I’m a girl, but my maths tell me it hasn’t been 560 years of mainly female custody of children yet, so Imma totally not even going to pretend to have any sympathy with those completely generalized arguments/whines.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@LBT

::offers hugs::

And neuroticbeagle posted some great brain bleach (with rats! :D) over here. if you need any.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@sparky

hehe. I remember that site. I loved the baby-carrot-mohawk cake. I’m going to admit, the site seems weirder to go back to, now that I’ve done some cake decorating. Just, different perspective, is all.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@sparky

have you seen this cake? saddest cake ever XD

The roses are gorgeous, though. And I’m so envious of the handwriting. It’s just so neat. The border isn’t to my taste, but that’s just personal preference.

okayI’llshutupnow. But you shouldn’t have linked to cakes cuz my brain just goes ‘oh shiny’!

katz
10 years ago

Therapist crying in the shower made me think of this.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

I hope cut offs were worn!

Nitram
Nitram
10 years ago

Regarding NPD and other armchair diagnosis, my sister is a narcissist and a horrible fucking person. Some traits of hers include:
-boundaries are perceived as an attack
-frequently “goes for jugular” when perceiving criticism or conflict.
-manipulative and verbally abusive
-when she attacks and you get hurt, you’re “overreacting” and “touchy”
-the “non-apology” (i.e. “I’m sorry you feel that way.”)
-inability to accept responsibility
-inflated sense of expertise and and importance coupled ironically with crushing insecurity
-no conscience
-so on and so forth, she’s said and done terrible things to me, never, and I mean never, has ever acknowledged or apologized ever for being hurtful or for her error in an argument.

I read about NPD one day and a bell went off “a ha! That’s it! That’s her!” I read “siblings of narcissists” and for the first time I felt validated for feeling the very real fear I had of being alone with her when she babysat me as kids.

Anyway, is it possible to have NPD and NOT be a complete asshole? I know bad behavior should never be associated with or assumed to be because of a mental illness, but this particular disorder seems to be more like “asshole” disorder. There’s really no therapy for it either. Can’t work on yourself if you don’t think anything’s wrong. I’m asking in all sincerity. I know psychopaths and sociopaths are not necessarily dangerous and/or terrible people. In fact, most aren’t. But narcissists are just terrible and impossible and can’t be gotten through to. Thoughts on this?

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@nitram

idk. I don’t know enough to be judge. I just know I”m very suspicious diagnosing people without them and of acting like mental illness = asshole.

so uh, no knowledge. Sorry to hear your sister was like that though. ::offers hugs::

chimisaur
chimisaur
10 years ago

@ LBT – hugs if you want them for horrible family bullshit. I know it’s not much consolation, but I totally feel you – ask me about my dehumanizing, emotionally manipulative, adult-children kidnapping, mother sometime 😛 I’m glad you’re away from them and with your by all accounts properly loving husband now (and hopefully similarly properly nice friends).

@Sparky/Marie – holy hell, bad cakes are awesome! XD

dustedeste
dustedeste
10 years ago

I have opinions about personality disorders, and those opinions are largely about personality disorders being really disparate for a bunch of things that are all grouped together in a weird kind of way, and at least one of them (Histrionic Personality Disorder) seems really suspicious to me. I am not sure about the utility of diagnoses of these disorders, especially given the accompanying demonization and lack of treatment. For more than one (HPD, NPD, Borderline Personality Disorder, off the top of my head), I am concerned that we are pathologizing behavior that’s not necessarily disordered, only problematic, and that in some cases we are blaming a disorder for people who are just assholes or never quite learned how to act in an acceptable manner, and that this helps no one.

I’m not saying that it’s necessarily the case that these groups of behaviors don’t constitute disorders, just that I personally see them as a bit weird and haven’t seen much convincing data on them.

This is coming from someone whose therapist considers her mother to have BPD, btw, just for context.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@chimisaur

Yikes! HUgs for you, too, if you want them. So many people here with bad family members 🙁

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

Ooh, Cake Wrecks! I still drop in occasionally for her Sunday Sweets posts, when she shares some really good cakes (usually on a nerdy theme like Mario or Doctor Who). Plus I keep hoping that someone, some day, will finally solve the mystery of “happy falker satherhood”.

Regarding NPD and other armchair diagnosis, my sister is a narcissist and a horrible fucking person. Some traits of hers include:
-boundaries are perceived as an attack
-frequently “goes for jugular” when perceiving criticism or conflict.
-manipulative and verbally abusive
-when she attacks and you get hurt, you’re “overreacting” and “touchy”
-the “non-apology” (i.e. “I’m sorry you feel that way.”)
-inability to accept responsibility
-inflated sense of expertise and and importance coupled ironically with crushing insecurity
-no conscience
-so on and so forth, she’s said and done terrible things to me, never, and I mean never, has ever acknowledged or apologized ever for being hurtful or for her error in an argument.

Holy shit it’s my mom. o.O Not gonna e-diagnose her, but wow, that’s eerie.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

dustedeste, those are some good points

Nitram
Nitram
10 years ago

Thanks Marie. Ohhh the things she has done.
I know my only basis for “diagnosing” her is just from reading a book, and matching up the traits that are the same. If she’s just a dick, then she’s just a dick, but narcissism is pretty much always a fucking horrible trait to deal with. I think this is the one mental illness that can be associated with bad, hurtful behavior, and there’s nothing good or neutral about it. Please explain if you think I’m wrong about this.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

Marie: That is the saddest cake ever.

I wish I had the talent to decorate cakes. I can’t even get the little shells right :p.

This cake rules, though. Short, simple & straightforward.

And I promise that’ll be the last one I post.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
10 years ago

I think this is the one mental illness that can be associated with bad, hurtful behavior, and there’s nothing good or neutral about it.

And?

LBT
LBT
10 years ago

RE: chimisaur

I’m glad you’re away from them and with your by all accounts properly loving husband now

Thanks. I’m glad too, and yes, my husband is loving and wonderful and deserves all the adoration. *snuggles him*

RE: Nitram

Anyway, is it possible to have NPD and NOT be a complete asshole?

My knee-jerk assumption is that surely it must be, because I have a hard time accepting that ANYTHING is universal assholitude. Last I checked, Chronic Assholism is not a mental illness. But I really don’t know much of anything about NPD. Unlike, say, borderline or sociopathy, I’ve never encountered anyone with it, and it’s not one of the things I research much.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@nitram

. Please explain if you think I’m wrong about this.

uh. I already said I just didn’t know enough to say more….

@sparky

Well, it’s not wrong.

Haha, I feel weird. Cuz lots of people do the shell border, but I just hate it. Hate doing it, hate looking at it. Weird me thing.

I hate doing the ‘reverse shell’ border too, but will try for basket weaves -_-.

I wish I had a good demonstration 🙁 I tried it on my own cake here, the reverse shell is the thing at the top/ bottom of the side of the cake, and the basket weave is the rest of the side. //shameless advertising.

You can also see my messy cake handwriting there :p

Personally, for cake borders, I prefer rosettes. I just like them 😀 (ex of rosettes here for non-cake talk ppl.

kittehserf
10 years ago

dustydeste – yeah, sometimes my completely-not-educated-in-these-fields reaction is that this is just shitty behaviour from people being arseholes being given a fancy label. The one that I really side-eye is “oppositional” whatsit – hello, isn’t digging the heels in over being asked to do stuff and generally being contrary a pretty standard part of childhood? As in, something lots of kids do? That label always rubs me the wrong way, like obedience is natural and kids being kids is something to pathologise.

Oh wow, those cakes! O_o

The “I want sprinkles” line made me laugh, ‘cos that’s what we call Maddie’s favourite food, which she’s not really mean to eat, ‘cos fattening. So she gets a bit sprinkled on her main food – and complains her bowl’s empty when she’s eaten the sprinkles.

Nitram
Nitram
10 years ago

Omg emilygoddess, that’s terrible. I always imagined it would’ve been downright heartbreaking to have a mother like that. Just no mercy, no real love, no give and take, ugh horrible. Ouch, you poor thing.
I remember watching that show “party of five” and thinking about how fucked I would be if my parents died and my sister was the only one left to raise me.

chimisaur
chimisaur
10 years ago

It’s cool Marie; I’m well away from where she had much hold over me, and now that I’m looking at post-grad jobs that will actually give me the means to move, I won’t even have to be in the same city as her soon. I just wish I didn’t have to leave my grandparents and a little brother behind, but that’s life, they’re adults too and can choose where they live their lives and who with. I will gladly take the hugs though! (also the sprinkle cake made me giggle-snort, so…yeah)

Nitram
Nitram
10 years ago

Marie
“uh. I already said I just didn’t know enough to say more….”

I know. The “you” in my question wasn’t directed at you in particular, rather the whole forum, everyone.

Marie
Marie
10 years ago

@nitram

K. I was just confused cuz my name was at the beginning of the post, and couldn’t pic up the transfer. Sorry.

cloudiah
10 years ago

More hugs on offer!

Back in my union days, one of the things I was proudest of was that we got our employer to change their Workers Comp insurance carrier’s approach to WC claims, which had been “deny at least 3 times in the hopes they will go away.” Because we were such a large employer, they complied pretty rapidly, and their default became “approve unless/until there is some evidence indicating it should be denied.” You still had to submit a ton of documentation and jump through many hoops, but in practice this meant much faster treatments and payment.

:: hums Solidarity Forever ::

Michelle C Young
10 years ago

I actually wound up reading this post in several parts, because of today being, well, today. I was interrupted a lot.

However, great post! I love the snarky responses to the jerk’s foolishness.

Also, thanks for the kitten rescue video! Yaaay!

Now, do I need to avoid the comments, because it would appear there’s some triggering going on?

I think I’ll skip the comments on this one, to be safe today, since I already hurt myself jerking in reaction to another story, and we had to turn it off, completely.

However, HUGS to any and all who want them!

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