You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?
I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?
Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.
So let’s hear this dude out, huh?
TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.
Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.
TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.
Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.
Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.
TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.
There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.
Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.
I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.
Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?
So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so desperately want.
His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.
The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….
In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.
Oh wait, all of those things are true.
But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.
The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.
In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.
Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?
This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.
Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.
Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.
Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.
I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.
After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …
For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.
Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”
Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.
The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.
Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.
Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!
I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.
The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But … no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.
Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.
And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”
[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.
Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …
Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”
Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.
Definitely no misogyny here at all.
This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.
But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!
For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …
However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …
Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.
But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!
Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.
Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”
But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.
Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh!
RE: hellkell
I hear ya. Keep in mind, I am LUCKY. Because I have health insurance that covers my care, I can scrape by on $650 a month, and I actually have art that’s in enough demand that I can afford to buy myself new books or go to a con every once in a while.
The thing is, I’d be getting paid this exact same amount regardless of what disability I had. Thank god I’m not fucking diabetic or need kidney dialysis or something!
LBT: I’m glad you got it. It just boggles my mind that they would deny someone visibly disabled with documentation up the wazoo.
I always pretty much figured that the disability system existed in order to eliminate as many potential claimants as possible so as to ensure that as little money as possible is paid out. Cynical is me.
Biology, particularly the fields of ethology and evolution, occasionally gets the same type of side-railing as psych especially when we start talking about animal learning.
For some reason, we keep lumping human behavior in with animal behavior, and trying to analyze it similarly, regardless of the fact that we can’t (and shouldn’t) do the same type of blind experiments on people that we do to test hypotheses with animals.
College Biology discussions can get a tad awful and misanthropic, sometimes, until someone in the room comes to their senses and beats everyone with a “YOU’RE BEING BAD HUMANS” verbal-bat.
Generally, we thank that person afterwards.
People pointing out that we’re being too reductionist and temporarily loosing track of empathy is really, really important. Sweetly and kindly is nice, but sometimes we really do need a quick kick in the rear.
Poor David :(.
Extra hugs if you needs/wants them and cookies too – the hatosphere asshats are really awful sometimes. Leftwingfox’s stumbleupon seems particularly painful and I hope there’s no need for you to come across any of that because nobody but the horrible manospherians believe their screeching anyway.
Hi Ash – you seem well-meaning but please do make adjustments so as to not imply my neuroatypical self and friends are inclined to similar behavior as the human stains attacking our friend. Thanks! Also welcome: plenty of decent individuals have a kind of rocky start here from not quite following the implications of what they’re saying, so I’m by no means judging you for it, and acknowledging the mistake only speaks well of you 🙂
I went through a phase in my early undergrad too, but since I was a neuroscience major, it was more in the realm of self-diagnosis: every headache was a mini-stroke and every bad hangover a sign of permanent brain damage *snork*. So glad I grew out of the baby brain-scientist hypochondria.
Oh good lord; I had loaded this page earlier in the afternoon and hadn’t seen many of the follow-up comments to the Ash fiasco. I am so sorry and didn’t mean to pile on you at all!
I’m sorry, but did I just read that ash spent X amount of time crying because some folks here weren’t nice enough in slapping down a poorly thought out armchair diagnosis? I’m asking cause I’m seriously tired and may have misread. If my reading is correct then all I have to say is, what you wrote has serious impact on folks with mental illness and does great harm. Don’t turn it around to be all about you, crying because what you did was hurtful and you just realized sucks, but is pretty small potatos compared to the impact your words have.
Seriously, I’m really tired of the lack of empathy many people have for the well being and dignity of the neuroatypical people in our society. Dealing with this shit at work, and I seriously don’t get how my coworker puts up with the bullying.
@hellkell
Hugs, and hope you it heals up* well.
*or whatever the right word is. I cannot find word.
Ok. The blockquote monster never once snacked on my posts. For some reason the blockquote mammoth can’t get enough!
Weirwoodtreehugger, I’m stealing your name for my next Boomer character.
@david am i banned or something? I cant post. Wow, you could also tell me the reason if thats the case.
That should be Bosmer character. I hate typing on my phone.
Anyone here do modding for skyrim?
Sorry, fixed. Scratch that last post 🙂
Marie: thanks. Just by being immobile my foot’s starting to feel better.
Hellkell tendinitis sucks. I hope the pain passes quickly.
Aaannd now I’ve finished reading the thread and am fairly ashamed I apologized to someone who was so triggering to LBT and flounced with a little side of unwarranted guilt-trip.
LBT and Marie: you are both decent folk and I am happy to internet-know you; I did not mean to be insensitive to you all by coddling the new person. 🙁
I still haven’t completely caught up on this thread, but thanks for the well-wishes; I’m fine, I just get pissed off by their blatant malicious lying sometimes.leftwingfox, I do know about that site, but there’s no point in giving itany more attention thanit’s got. Any non-MRA who reads what that guy has written about me and/or looks around at that site will see that he’s a creepy asshole who’s basing his accusations on nothing.
I just realised that I don’t object to some of the ‘I’ language about Child Custody or access when I see it phrased like this:
‘I miss my children.’
‘I love my children. I feel sad when I can’t be with them.’
‘I feel happy with them, I want to be near them.’
‘It’s important to me to be a father.’
‘I’d like more shared care, weekends aren’t enough.’
Those are all ‘I’ things with their own selfishness or what have you, but it’s very human and very understandable.
But no, the MRAs always seems to be: MINE MINE MINE MY THING GIVE ME MY THING.
Yeah, um, RE: the whole
Noooope. No no no. Bad. No one is obligated to make sure your feelings don’t get hurt while calling you out for saying bad things, and trying to guilt people about it is bullshit, and then trying to act like you weren’t trying to guilt people, you’re just sensitive, is borderline attempted gaslighting – if you weren’t trying to guilt someone, you wouldn’t have brought up your feeeeeeeels.
Assumption of good faith: Rescinded. Nice mode: Off.
Dustedeste, that whole thing let out at me, probably because I’ve seen too much of it.
Well, dustedeste, it won’t matter, because ze said we would never hear from er again, and they always mean that, don’t they?
*Backs up dump truck full of hugs to barrel o’ hugs*
… Anybody got a funnel?
I’d’ve thought that learning ways to deal with negative things that happen in your life would be a useful trait for a future therapist.
Hmm. Ash’s “crying in the bathtub” line reminds me of the drive-by we had a few months ago – zie asked about my blog, it was explained, then treated it like a role-playing game and had a screaming rant about zir mental illness and how zie was crying now and what awful people we are, when asked not to do that. At least Ash didn’t do that, but this bit seemed odd: someone who says zie’s lurked here a good while, yet doesn’t know that armchair diagnoses aren’t okay?
Oh, and on the OP: stealing a man’s seed, eh? So even when a woman gets custody of actual living children, actual people, she’s still SPERMJACKING!