You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?
I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?
Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.
So let’s hear this dude out, huh?
TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.
Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.
TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.
Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.
Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.
TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.
There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.
Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.
I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.
Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?
So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so desperately want.
His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.
The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….
In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.
Oh wait, all of those things are true.
But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.
The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.
In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.
Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?
This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.
Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.
Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.
Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.
I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.
After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …
For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.
Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”
Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.
The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.
Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.
Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!
I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.
The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But … no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.
Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.
And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”
[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.
Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …
Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”
Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.
Definitely no misogyny here at all.
This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.
But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!
For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …
However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …
Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.
But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!
Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.
Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”
But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.
Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh!
Huh.
So… not actually that conflicted then.
Does that ever end well for anyone? “I’m a bit conflicted about this, but on the other hand, we were completely wrong to allow this to actually happen”. That doesn’t seem like the kind of logic anyone should really be able to come up with.
“In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.”
He’s right, it’s not as though non conventionally handsome or otherwise physically attractive men find themselves pretty partners all the time and usually this isn’t questioned if the guy is also a decent person. No men either transform themselves into godly paragons of soul aching beauty or stolidly resign themselves to eternal celibacy.
@ Lea and weirwoodtreehugger
Re: Amusement Park.
Also hypocritical, since fomenting disgust at a person based on lies is ultimately an attempt to appeal to invalid emotions anyways. 😛
@Marie:
I agree 100% – these ways of thinking and labeling are hella harmful, and need to stop. I do not and will not defend them. However, given the way psych programs tend to work, they really kind of can have the effect of reinforcing this kind of thinking – there’s a lot of reading case studies and flat out treating people as puzzles or proof, and a lot of essentializing things down to biologically determined traits. The further one goes, I think, the less this makes sense and the less it’s done, but it’s a really big problem at the outset.
So that’s what I’m seeing going on here, from my view.
I’m not saying that’s okay – I think there are myriad things wrong with the system (and not just in psych programs – colleges are really full of issues from so many perspectives), and it does not excuse people furthering that mindset, even if it’s one that’s been encouraged by their program of study. Being unaware is no excuse for furthering harm.
I agree Marie. Just trying to explain the mind set of young idealistic psych students. The human brain is a mysterious thing and it is a bit of puzzle. Curiosity is essential for any field. Remembering that individual human brains belong to individual people with their own feelings and experiences can take some time and experience.
@weirdwoodtreehugger
K. Just checking.
Yes. For an assignment I had to read up on Hitler, Charles Manson and Van Gogh and diagnose them. At the time it was fun, in retrospect it seems iffy.
We can drop the topic if you’d like Marie.
Or if anyone else wants it dropped.
This guy, honestly. He’s like the “hate the sin, not the sinner” type of person. Except the “sins” are all in his head and he doesn’t consider “the sinners” to be people. Maybe this comparison doesn’t work at all. It made sense in my head at first.
Anyways! Gotta love the idea that your children are just “your seed” and no matter how horrible of a person you are, if your female SO takes your kid(s) away then she is a terrible evil horrible person and much worse than you.
Honestly, MRM dudes are OBSESSED with children and custody cases, but they seem to see children in the most cold, unfeeling manner. Like they only care about children, because like women, they are just possessions to them.
@weirdwoodtreehugger
I’m fine atm. But thanks for offering.
If all children are just ‘seed’, then… isn’t he his father’s child/seedling? Doesn’t that make him also a thing????
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RE: WWTH
Remembering that individual human brains belong to individual people with their own feelings and experiences can take some time and experience.
Uh.
UH.
DUDE. Do you not even realize how CREEPY that is? That you’re flat-out saying that adults in higher education need time and experience to remember basic empathy?
I’ve been dealing with people like this for YEARS, and a lot of my social skills were made specifically so people would see me as a person, and not my mental illness. I was doing it FROM ADOLESCENCE. (And I’m lucky, compared to my friends who were visibly autistic as toddlers.) Seriously, saying that remembering I’m a human with feelings is hard is really fucking patronizing!
(I’m not joking about my social skills either; the most common question I’ve ever been asked on coming out is “are you dangerous?” so I became a fucking social wizard so people wouldn’t read me as axe-murderer or someone nobody would miss. It pisses me off that I had to LEARN to be so socially astute purely because people forgot I was a person.)
Based on what I remember of college kids (being one, interacting with them), yes, they do. And I only wish I was being sarcastic.
Re: Mammotheer amusement park
We should add a free lifetime pass to the Welcome Package!
Will there be a Tunnel of ‘Gina Tingles? Will we actually get to meet and have our photo taken with David Futrelle (played, of course, by cats in a David suit, working their way through college)?
@LBT: In my experience, both as a member of society generally and a person with mental illness specifically, there’s an overall tendency in our society to objectify people and to avoid viewing them as unique individuals. It’s something I have to fight within myself on a fairly regular basis so that I don’t start seeing people I don’t know well as belonging to some monolith or easily caricaturized entity.
Psychiatry especially runs the risk because the DSM is primarily a checklist and if someone appears to tick enough boxes, they can be treated as definitionally having that illness or symptom even if the description of that illness or symptom doesn’t fit them (e.g. every time I end up in the hospital someone thinks I have psychotic features either because a) I’m on an anti-psychotic medication or b) my depression has made me come to unreasonable concluctions that are irrational but not actually psychotic).
That potato chart made my day. Seriously.
I have an in-law currently involved in a really unpleasant custody battle with somebody who is adopting the wonderful MRA “this child is my property because genetics” in an attempt to gain sole custody. It’s worse in that he appears to be funnelling his entire income into his lawyer. It’s really not fun when internet-MRA arguments make their way into offline legal battles.
Not lacking in empathy but young students can be naïve and privilege blind and then their education is all about the theoretical so there’s a bit of a disconnect between what they’ve learned so far and the actual experiences of human beings. Undergrads studying psychology only study with books, lectures and case studies. They don’t really deal with people. Not in a clinical setting anyway. It’s easy for well meaning people to say and think really stupid things sometimes in these conditions. Academia needs to a do better job addressing this issue because unless undergrad psych students have a lot of personal experiences with mental illnesses they’re bound to graduate still a lit bit (or even a lot) ignorant about the subject.
RE: Leum and moldybrehd
Yeah, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay, or that I should coddle their precious feelings because remembering my basic humanity is HARD. Jesus.
@LBT
^Yup. And I’ve got it easy compared to you, because there aren’t any similiar stereotypes about my mental illnesses :/
I find it confusing that young, idealistic students would forget that, its not secret information, or something they had to study once but haven’t used since. Whether you treat your patient like an individual really comes down to what you think your job is going into it. Are you treating a disease, a disorder, or are you treating a person? What is it about the first few years of psychology education that leads people to think in dehumanizing ways?
Yeah, like, call it personal sensitivity, but this shit hits a nerve with me, since I have pretty much spent my entire fucking life trying to, through sheer personal charm, convince people not to hurt me because they assume I’m an axe-murderer or a moonbat. I have to put up with it when I’m in education mode, I have to put up with it in real life because I’ve had real-life friends flat-out tell me that they would not have associated with me had I not endeavored to be as “normal” as possible, but I sure as hell don’t have to put up with it here.
Seriously. I was homeless and unemployed and destitute because of mental illness. I tried to become an adult as quickly as possible because that to me was the only way to be safe.
If people have so much trouble understanding that I’m a human, then they can go fuck a cactus. Conversely, they can try being me for a year, see how they feel about what a fascinating paper I am then.
Aw, don’t compare, Marie. Let me put it this way: I might be the one stereotyped as an axe-murderer, but I would never, EVER want to deal with depression again.
Good heavens, MRA’s are awfully proud of knowing the word “solipsism”, aren’t they?