You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?
I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?
Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.
So let’s hear this dude out, huh?
TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.
Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.
TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.
Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.
Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.
TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.
There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.
Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.
I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.
Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?
So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so desperately want.
His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.
The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….
In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.
Oh wait, all of those things are true.
But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.
The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.
In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.
Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?
This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.
Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.
Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.
Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.
I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.
After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …
For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.
Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”
Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.
The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.
Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.
Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!
I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.
The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But … no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.
Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.
And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”
[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.
Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …
Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”
Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.
Definitely no misogyny here at all.
This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.
But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!
For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …
However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …
Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.
But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!
Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.
Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”
But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.
Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh!
okay, this is just a small nitpick (i wasn’t here for the Retha saga so i have no clue what is going on)
But having Aspergers does not immunize you from being ableist. Being disabled does not mean you cannot be ableist against other people.
Example: I remember someone who had Irritable Bowel Syndrome (i think that’s the name) acting like they could talk shit about fat people in wheelchairs and no one could call them ableist. Even tho they weren’t fat and didn’t use a wheelchair.
I’m depressed that doesn’t mean i can’t be ableist against people who have different mental illnesses than mine. especially since mental illnesses are stigmatized in different ways.
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tl;dr being disabled does not mean you can’t be shitty to people who have different disabilities than yours. (it doesn’t mean you can’t be shitty to people who have the same disability as you, either, but generally people are better at respecting/understanding their own disability)
” You implied that people “misunderstanding” you were doing so deliberately”
No, they did not do so deliberately.
“You hijacked someone’s comment about this being a forgiving crowd to throw yourself a pity party, and are trying to paint yourself as a victim and everyone else – people who were hurt by your words – as malicious grudge-holding meanies.”
I did not call anyone malicious or a meanie. I tried to correct misconceptions.
“And you still haven’t acknowledged where you fucked up in your comments about LBT.”
Do you talk of where I talked of person(ality) instead of person? The “person” was for LBT, the “(ality)” was to put it in the language of people who talk of “Multiple Personality Disorder”.
@ Aylin: You said my apology involves calling you evil, and then you quote what I said before apologizing for it? What you quoted was something I apologized for since. I don’t expect forgiveness, but don’t misrepresent my apology – that was not the apology.
“1) “you (disagreeing with what I said) makes you like the guy who stalked me” ”
Not in the least – having a whole idea of my personality (in this case that I get of on sympathy for friends while people can do without it and call myself an empath) which is not the real me – and blaming me for that – was similar to that stalker. Disagreeing is not like the stalker, creating a fantasy personality is. And this person is not stalking, which is a difference.
Yes, and if you’d scroll up you’d see I already explained why that was a problem. God, are you even reading the replies to you?
And with that, I’m done. You either know exactly what you’re doing and no amount of pointing it out will change anything, or you have no fucking clue how manipulative and dishonest you’re being and trying to explain it is a waste of my time. Either way, I have better things to do today.
“David posts under his full name, that he’s an established journalist with a Wikipedia entry to his name. For Retha, we just have what’s presumably her first name,”
True. Although more details about me is very findable from here, chances are that those who look me up won’t get here. In that way too, David’s situation is waayyy worse. And knowingly made up stuff like that is horrible, while people are angry at me partly for things I actually said and partly for massively misunderstanding words.
Retha,
If you want to hang out and you are done calling people evil for the things they do consensually with other adults, then please own your mistakes, make amends and stop comparing us to your abuser for standing up for ourselves and our loved ones. Yes, being called out sucks. It took me ages to not have a knee jerk reaction to it. It happens. People do forgive, just not on our schedules.
I’ve been stunned and offended at being called out. I’ve also had it dawn on me with embarrassing clarity that I was the one who fucked up.
Maybe at this time you need a place that is more like Shakesville or other blog spots where the language is kinder and the corrections milder. This isn’t that space. That does not mean that anyone hates you or that you can’t ever be forgiven. It just means that you’ll need to make a better effort and give it more time. (Unless by the time I type this out, things have gotten worse.) Whether you leave and do not return or you take a break and come back, you should probably take some time off of commenting.
Patience is not one of my hang ups. I simply do not feel that I owe it to every Tom, Dick and Harriet. As I type this I’m trying to get a child who can’t speak properly to speak, to tell me a story, draw me a picture and then write the story down. (We made it to the writing part. Here comes the rough bit.) This takes alot of coaxing, cuddling and assurances that his best guesses are just fine and corrections don;t mean he has failed. It takes firm, “No, we will not go out for lunch if you will not try” type stands. It takes letting him cry and pout and still not losing my cool or my conviction. It’s like pushing a pudding up a hill. (My brain wants a cigarette and it can’t have one.) I’m getting the house weekend ready, I’m expecting a guest and ….well my patience supply is running low. (I want that break as badly as he does. I just can’t tell him that.) So no, randos on the web don’t get any from me. I still have to give all three dogs a bath and they don’t like baths. Whatever patience I can get through the day with, I hold onto with a ninja death-grip. This is where I blow off steam.
But, I do it in accordance to the rules. This isn’t my space. If I step out of line, I can be banned PDQ, as it should be. Don’t be upset that you have to play by the same rules. They are not a personal attack on you.
@Retha
euuuuuugh.
Emilygoddess (I think it was her) already said LBT doesn’t like that. So you aren’t actually putting it ‘in the language’ of people who talk ‘multiple personality disorder’ you’re putting it in the language of people who talk ‘multiple personality disorder’ without caring what the people actually are multi think.
I did not create a fantasy personality. What the fuck?
@Retha
OMFG
“Do you talk of where I talked of person(ality) instead of person? The “person” was for LBT, the “(ality)” was to put it in the language of people who talk of “Multiple Personality Disorder”. ”
Why the fuck do you think it’s ok for you to imply that LBT’s husband isn’t actually a person? Or that it was in any way appropriate to try to justify it by referencing “Multiple Personality Disorder”??? Asperger’s doesn’t give you a fucking free pass here.
“@ Aylin: You said my apology involves calling you evil, and then you quote what I said before apologizing for it? What you quoted was something I apologized for since. I don’t expect forgiveness, but don’t misrepresent my apology – that was not the apology.”
I also quoted stuff from before and after your “apology”. You still haven’t apologized; you’ve only said “I didn’t say that thing which I very clearly did say”. Calling that an apology is the misrepresentation.
Anyway, before your “apology” you stated what you felt “hurting” other people was; being in a BDSM relationship with them, consensual rough play, etc.
Then AFTER your “apology” you said that people who hurt others are evil.
Retha,
We are all only pixels on a screen to one another until we become acquainted. What you write tells us all we know about you. We cannot read intentions. We cannot read your history. We can only read what you write and we judge you by that. If many of us have the wrong idea about you, then maybe you need to work on how you present yourself in writing. It’s hard to offer you charitable reading, when you have not shown a willingness to do the same.
I just used an atlas to show my little boy where some of you live. He finds it odd that I love to read and am willing to write, even though I know I’m not good at it. He does understand having friends who are far away, though. I cherish my online acquaintances. I learn more from them than I could on my own in a lifetime. In order to do that, I have to listen more than I comment. I have to learn before I speak to a topic. Otherwise, i’m gonna have a bad time.
LBT,
If you’re reading this thread, sorry you have to see all of Retha’s bullshit.
There’s not enough nopes in the ‘verse for her.
*puts hugs in barrel incase LBT wants them*
LBT, I second WWTH. Wish we all could sing a chorus of “we accept you, we accept you, one of us, one of us!” for you.
Retha, you and the guy selling death sticks might consider going home and rethinking your lives.*
*Yes, a Phantom Menace reference.
If the majority is “massively misunderstanding” you, the onus is on you to be clear.
@Marie:
I did not create a fantasy personality. What the fuck?
No, that was me. Retha doesn’t recognize herself in the mirror.
@girlscientist
gotcha. I confess I think I’m getting kinda confused over this thread. And Retha’s….whateverness. Which may be her intent. blah.
@Marie: I think she has a bad case of martyr complex.
I’ve managed to avoid, for quite a long time, talking to people/reading things going on as if multis (among others) are case studies or exhibits in a fucking zoo. Today is my lucky day though I guess. WTH even is this comment thread?
The Dark Lord has been emailed. Have some brain bleach:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/ca/14/f2/ca14f22002c298d44527c32c746d5382.jpg
Retha showed up and made a fucking mess.
Hugs if you need them, Monster.
Also adding my voice to the LBT support chorus. FFS, LBT’s husband is a person.
Brain bleach:
Beluga whale
Polar bear cubs
Baby penguin with a briefcase
@sparky
ommmg those polar bears are so cute :3
Hey everyone! Name your favorites types of pie — you’re top three, if you can. Here’s mine:
Pumpkin
Apple
Pecan
Whoops, your not “you’re.”
Key lime
Lemon meringue
French silk
@shiraz
razzleberry
apple
pudding pie
Mmmmm.
You know, I never had French silk or razzleberry pie, but I have to imagine they’re wonderful. Actually, I wish I could bake a decent pie, but I’m more of a cook. I can whip up a batch of pasta puttanesca or roast a chicken like a champion — but my muffins don’t always rise. My pumpkin/chocolate squares always work, though, and I’ve made a decent pound cake before.
pecan, apple, razzleberryr