You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?
I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?
Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.
So let’s hear this dude out, huh?
TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.
Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.
TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.
Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.
Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.
TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.
There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.
Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.
I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.
Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?
So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so desperately want.
His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.
The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….
In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.
Oh wait, all of those things are true.
But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.
The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.
In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.
Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?
This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.
Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.
Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.
Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.
I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.
After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …
For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.
Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”
Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.
The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.
Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.
Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!
I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.
The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But … no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.
Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.
And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”
[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.
Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …
Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”
Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.
Definitely no misogyny here at all.
This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.
But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!
For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …
However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …
Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.
But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!
Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.
Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”
But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.
Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh!
@pillowinhell:
Yeah, I guess I’m maybe a little to willing to assume good faith in this kind of situation, because I’ve been that person, and I know how tunnel-vision-y it can get in a psych program where that kind of thinking is encouraged. But at a certain point, it’s just a barrel of nopes, because frankly, essentializing people/groups of people down into disorders is dehumanizing and an awful practice, and psych undergrads need to fucking get it through their heads that having taken Abnormal Psychology doesn’t mean they can diagnose people.
@tcwill00:
Hmm, anyone wanna take bets on whether this one sticks the flounce? I mean, in my experience, the ability to stick a flounce is sadly uncommon these days!
Also, I’ve got a canning funnel, would that do?
David, you are amazing and wonderful.
I don’t know if you hear that often enough, but it’s true. Anyone who makes nasty false allegations against you is a buffoon of the lowest caliber and can go swimming in skunk-musk for all I care.
You, sir, are a great person.
::points up::
What contrapangloss said, David.
I remember that person Kittehserf. It was very similar.
I wanted to give Ash the benefit of the doubt at first but the guilt trip thing is not OK. It’s very manipulative and considering the fact that there are abuse survivors who regularly read and comment here, I’m not cool with manipulative emotional blackmail language being deployed.
Possibly it’s the emotional manipulation implied by coming here and just ~casually mentioning~ that we made her cry?
I would, too!
@Steampunked, yeah, that’s one of the things I’ve been trying to point out that WordPress keeps eating: these guys talk about custody of a child like it’s a contest to be won, and they want to make sure the woman loses. The child doesn’t seem to matter; he/she/ze is just another thing they have to keep their exes/those evil women from getting.
I know it sounds like an empty platitude, but I really do believe that they hate him so much because he’s right. Cockroaches hate when someone shines a light on them.
THANK YOU. That was exactly my mom’s pattern and if I hadn’t already been triggered this weekend, I’d be really upset by Ash’s guilt trip. Fortunately(?) I’m at the apathy stage of my personal trigger cycle.
YEP. The pro rape and abuse stance of MRAs sometimes means I have to avoid this blog. The disgusting treating children like chess pieces stance of MRAs just makes me completely furious.
HOW DARE YOU.
1. You stupid fucks are singlehandedly ruining it for people who genuinely are fucked over by their child’s other parent. Who are grieving and desperate and miss their children. Because you are presenting custody as a fucking competition for an object, you pieces of shit.
2. I have been a child treated that way (much less of an issue compared to other shit going on at the time). More importantly, I have been powerless in the face of my parents doing much worse to my much younger siblings, and watched these tiny people’s trust be broken and warped because of these mindblowingly selfish adults.
As someone whose upbringing was abusive, whose friends upbringings were abusive (I know about 2 people whose weren’t harmful to one degree or another), who cannot fucking IMAGINE being able to trust or feel safe with their parents, the attitude of ownership displayed makes me spit acid.
YOU DO NOT DESERVE CHILDREN. *steals all the mistreated children (who want to come) away to my imaginary utopia where consent is paramount and everyone is treated with respect*
/rant
@Emilygoddess
Yeah, that makes sense, I just couldn’t but it in words at first. Thanks.
🙁 It sucks that you were triggered. ::offers hugs::
Hrovitnir, I’m sorry you had to go through that, and I’m sorry you have to read these assholes treating kids like you as a political football.
Same here, though I came in late enough to see how the whole thing played out.
@kittehs
And if she’d stopped (or dropped the topic) after the apology but before the guilt tripping, it’d have been good. :/ But she had to go the ‘extra mile.’
Thanks emilygoddess. I am super touchy about it. It feeds into my not-wanting-bio children thing: people expecting everyone to have children make me want to rant about how not everyone should have children.
(Note: I am incredibly anti policing who *should* have children, bio or not, just to be clear. I just want it to celebrated as a choice you make because you really want to rather than a default setting.)
P.P.S. *CN: description of emotional abuse.*
Whenever people start talking about children as *things* I get a strong flashback to two things:
1. Babysitting my siblings when they were ~5 and 3. My mother and her partner come home and start screaming at each other. The kids are in my bed, clinging to me and crying and it’s awful because I can’t even comfort them the same because they want their parents.
I go and tell them to tone it down, because their children are terrified, and they just turn on me. So many iterations on this theme.
2. After I told my father it was not appropriate for his partner to *sneak* my young siblings around to their house (they’re my half siblings and they visit their half sister via my father’s partner in another city) against their parents wishes, his partner told her goddamn 8 year old daughter that I didn’t want her to see her siblings. God knows what else they told her. After we’d become quite close on a recent holiday (that was the end of that block of contact).
Multiple variations on that woman telling her young child horribly hurtful things too. ARH.
@hrovitnir
::offers hugs::
Oh, good, it wasn’t just me who read the crying in the bathtub thing and thought “oh hey there manipulative bullshit”.
I cracked up the moment he referred to children as “his seed.” Now there is someone I would never want around children. Or anyone else for that matter.
Hugs for Hriovitnir 🙁
@cassandrakitty – Nope, it was blatant and awful and unacceptably manipulative, and followed by pretending it wasn’t meant to manipulate.
We’ve had multiple people do that recently too. It’s really not on.
Thanks awesome people. I am full of fun stories. /talking about me
@Marie –
Yeah, that’s what got me, too. smh
@cassandrakitty – Now my suspicious mind is wondering if the whole “crying in the bathtub” thing was “Hahaha I’m doing a psych experiment ‘cos I’m a smart student”.
@hrovitnir – all the hugs.
The only acceptable type of emotional manipulation.
@ kittehs
Eh, just sounded like a selfish asshole bawing because they weren’t getting their way to me.
@cassandrakitty – probably was; I’m just in suspicion overdrive. 😛
Having been around a number of emotionally abusive (and physically and sexually, but that’s not what we’re talking about here) people throughout my life, and having been on the receiving end of all mentioned types of abuse, that definitely made me think “manipulation attempt.” It might not have been, I’m just… very suspicious of people when they start talking like that. It reminds me of the people in my life who’ve used stuff like that as emotional manipulation to keep you from arguing with them or walking away from them.
Anyways, I’m sorry for people who have been on the receiving end of any kind of abuse and are triggered by mentions of it :/ I hope nothing I’ve mentioned is triggering for any of you.
Pretty much any time someone responds to being asked to stop doing something that might hurt someone else with “but you’re hurting me so much by saying that!” it should raise red flags.
RE: hellkell
LBT: I’m glad you got it. It just boggles my mind that they would deny someone visibly disabled with documentation up the wazoo.
I was pretty much told that everyone gets rejected at least once. It’s a fucked up system.
RE: cassandrakitty
I always pretty much figured that the disability system existed in order to eliminate as many potential claimants as possible so as to ensure that as little money as possible is paid out.
I’m definitely getting that cynical too. It’s ASS.
RE: pillowinhell
I’m sorry, but did I just read that ash spent X amount of time crying because some folks here weren’t nice enough in slapping down a poorly thought out armchair diagnosis?
That’s how I read it, but I admit that I really got my dander up. It’s been a bad week. Like I said, I’m used to having to be uer-nice and polite and educational 24/7; Mammoth is like my “thank god I don’t have to do this shit” space.
RE: chimisaur
LBT and Marie: you are both decent folk and I am happy to internet-know you; I did not mean to be insensitive to you all by coddling the new person.
It’s okay. Usually I’m less angry-badger about shit like this. I think what set me off is… well, let me put it this way. (Bad family shit ahoy!) My folks actually lost empathy for me when I came out. They stopped seeing me as a person; I was now “the disease,” to the point that they asked if medication would “fix” me (AKA: end my existence and give them “their daughter” back — quite literally, they were asking me to die). They didn’t understand why this would upset me, and I was expected to maintain perfect amiable politeness while arguing my right to be alive.
It kinda fucked me up for a while — that suicidal depression in 2012 and 2013 was basically me wishing I COULD end my existence, in hopes it would please them. It wouldn’t have, but it really got ground into my soul. Because it wasn’t like I was a person or anything, right?
Hugs to anyone who needs them. And Ash was definitely being manipulative there.
So, OT, but also funny brain bleach for anyone who might need it. I just kinda got lost on this blog that shows all these professionally decorated cakes that have gone horribly awry. So, for instance, there’s some really creepy Easter cakes. This one is supposed to be a walrus. And then, there’s this.