You know, maybe I’ve been unfair to these manosphere fellows. I’m always saying that they hate women. But what if they don’t really hate women? Like hate hate. What if they just don’t respect women, you know, for totally understandable non-hatey reasons that aren’t misogynistic at all?
I mean, there’s nothing misogynistic about refusing to show an entire gender any respect because of some reasons you came up with, right?
Anyway, what’s got me wondering all this is a recent stickied post on the Red Pill Subreddit, home to ALPHA DUDES who totally score with the hot women like all the time. The post, by a dude with the totally non-lady-hating name of bitchdantkillmyvibe is titled “I don’t hate women, I just don’t respect them, and unless many changes within their gender come about, I never will,” and really, I don’t think I’ve ever read a less lady-hating title than that.
So let’s hear this dude out, huh?
TRP gets regularly blasted for ‘hating’ women. TRP does not hate women, bar the vitriolic men usually new to TRP who are still overcoming their understandable bitterness and resentment.
Exactly! Red Pillers totally don’t hate women, except for the ones that do.
TRP just sees women for what they are, and the ways they behave, and treats them accordingly.
Exactly! We don’t hate women for being women, we just hate them for acting like women.
Oh, wait, we don’t hate them.
TRP does not hate women – TRP does not respect women, and they give us reason after reason not to.
There are a number of reasons I do not respect women. Again, as creatures of fun and entertainment, I love them.
Like, seriously, how can you hate something if you like to stick your penis in it, huh? PURE STEM LOGIC.
I never feel feelings of hatred towards them, more annoyance, dissappointment and, as mentioned, a severe lack of the respect they claim they so desperately want.
Yeah, bitches are always claiming to desperately want respect. What’s that about?
So anyway, bitchdantkillmyvibe goes through his list of reasons for not giving the ladies the respect they claim they so desperately want.
His list begins with all those terrible fatties who want to be treated as human beings despite being terrible fatties.
The fat acceptance movement is one of the clearest and best examples of how women completely lack any sense of agency and how they demand the most respect for the least amount of work or effort. ….
In reverse, you never see anything close to a fat acceptance movement among men, when men still face a lot of the issues about image and self esteem. Men get just as bombarded by the media about what is attractive and what isn’t, and instead of trying to rewrite the rules to our benefit, we either shape up, or don’t.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like men are actually more likely to be overweight or obese than women or that women are actually likely to face more criticism and outright discrimination based on weight or anything. And it’s not like most diets actually fail and that dieting in the end often backfires and can cause people to gain more weight. Or that stigmatizing fat people is completely ineffective at causing them to lose weight and, yep, can also cause them to gain weight instead.
Oh wait, all of those things are true.
But bitchdantkillmyvibe is on to his next topic: child custody.
The way women embrace the broken system surrounding child custody laws is another example in women’s solipsism, and worse, their complete disregard and almost sociopathic lack of care for not only their husband/partner/lover, but the father of their child, their offspring, who without, would never have been able to grant her such a gift to begin with.
Yeah, I mean, it’s not like judges grant primary custody to the person who’s been doing the bulk of the child care and that this person is usually the mother.
In my opinion, the way women abuse child custody laws is reason enough to lack complete respect for women and is the biggest reason, personally, I will never respect their gender. Taking a father’s child away from him is one of the most horrible, disgusting, vile, vindictive, malicious and heartless things you can do to a man. I don’t care how much he may have hurt you, or how badly you want to get back at him, taking his seed away from him eclipses almost any wrongdoing he may have done to the woman.
Wait what? If the father has been, say, beating the crap out of the mother, wouldn’t it make sense to keep him away from the kids so that he won’t beat the crap out of them too?
This shows the true nature of modern women – that they only care for themselves and lack compassion almost entirely. I wouldn’t take a man’s child away from him even if he was the lowest of scum.
Uh, really? I’m pretty sure kids are a lot better off when they’re not being raised by “the lowest of scum,”particularly if this particular scum has a history of violence.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy, and for women to do that to someone they once loved and who once loved them back, and most likely supported them in a number of ways, not only dumbfounds me, but it scares me.
Hmm. I’m sort of beginning to wonder if this bitchdantkillmyvibe fellow might actually hate women. And possibly children too.
Oh, but he’s not done yet. He next takes on the specter of FEMINISM.
I’m a bit conflicted, because while the feminist movement did succeed in earning women some basic human rights that they shouldn’t have been denied, it is also largely responsible for the dismal state of the modern woman now.
After the world gave women almost everything they demanded, they still want more. …
For all this talk about ‘male privilege’, if you are born a white women with relative attractiveness, you are living life on easy mode.
Ah, yes, because all women are “white women with relative attractiveness.” And because that’s all it takes to become massively successful and powerful in the world today. That’s why 95.6% of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are “white women with relative attractiveness.”
Oh, wait, I’m being told that 95.6% of the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies are actually men, not women. Sorry.
The feminist movement is now about the most trivial ‘rights’ being awarded to women and continuing to uphold the image that women are ‘oppressed’, when this could not be further from the truth. Women are more privileged than ever and get more pussy passes than in any point in history.
Here is a chart showing the increase in pussy passes over time.
Oops, sorry. That’s actually a chart showing the average annual output prices for potatoes in Scotland from 2003 to 2012. So in case you were wondering about that, you’re welcome!
I’m not sure where to look to find the historical data on pussy pass distribution.
The feminist movement is an example in how if you give an inch with a woman, she will take a mile. We were wrong to entertain their demands to begin with, thinking that if some of their demands were appeased, they would be content and more productive members of society. But … no matter how much more we continue to give them, they will never be sated and never feel content.
Yeah, I’m not detecting any misogyny here. Nope. None whatsoever.
And now we move onwards to rape. Well, “false rape culture.”
[F]or all the talk about ‘rape culture’, we are living in a society where women are taking more and more liberties with the law that already aggressively favors them by accusing men of rape for their own benefit.
Exactly. And there are so many benefits women get from accusing men of rape! Let’s see. They get to collect the $10,000 “rape accusation bounty” that’s placed by the government on every able-bodied adult man. And …
Wait. I’m being told there is no “rape accusation bounty” and that “you just made that up.”
Here we have another example of the vindictive, hurtful nature of women, where they only care about themselves and benefitting themselves, even at the behest of another man’s livelihood. Note, it’s not because they hate men – it’s because they hate everyone, or more appropriately, women are completely solipsistic and anyone’s wellbeing outside of their own is an afterthought.
Definitely no misogyny here at all.
This is the real reason ‘rape culture’ exists, to continue the victimisation of women and the benefits they reap by being society’s victim. They create a problem that isn’t there so they can exploit it to their own advantage. They willingly destroy men’s lives, careers and reputations, marking them permanently for the rest of their life, purely for their own gain. Men are completely disposable in a woman’s eyes, and this again is reason to not only disrespect them, but fear them.
But don’t get too sad, ladies, because, “as creatures of fun and entertainment,” he still LOVES you!
For all of men’s downfalls, nothing comes close to the manipulative, cold and psychopathic nature of women, not to mention that many of the slurs launched against men only apply to a small subset – rape is minimal and women are lucky to live in an age where the overwhelming majority of men view this as a most heinous act. …
However, the reasons I have listed here apply to an overwhelming majority of modern women …
Until these fundamental changes occur within the female gender – which I highly doubt they will – women will never be deserving of our respect and for them to demand otherwise is completely laughable.
But, ladies, remember – he still likes putting his penis in you!
Again, I do not hate women – I love women, I love fucking them, I love laughing with them, I love having fun with them, and even sometimes losing myself in the emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.
Yep. “The emotional rollercoaster that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.” Which is located right next to “The Emotional Ragin Cajun that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience” at “The Emotional Six Flags Great America that is their feminine nature which I am unable to experience.”
But respect them? Never. Not until these horrible rituals are called out as the disgusting, inhumane practices they are.
Ladies, he’s single! He’s horny! He loves to laugh!
I somehow missed the sock thing. So she’s admitting to having deceived us and is whining about mean we are? Ick.
@Rea
IIRC, she equated role-playing a “rapist” in consensual BDSM play with actually raping people.
Well, LBT does, and he said you did. However, what you wrote in your post before this last sentence leads me to believe you may now understand how consensual sex between adults cannot be evil.
Pretty much.
@Retha:
I started participating on we hunted the mammoth under a different name, under which I get no trouble, and stay on topic. If I were actually the person you think I am, that personality would have had trouble by now.
So you knew from the start that what you were doing was wrong, but you wanted to say it anyway. Except you didn’t want to say it under your usual nym, so you created “Retha” to stay out of trouble.
Which means that Retha is who you really are, and your usual nym is the mask you’re wearing in order to be accepted in society. You’re never getting in trouble under your usual nym because you make a point *not* to say anything controversial under your usual nym.
Maybe you should stop fooling yourself, Retha.
@Retha
Why the fuck should I forgive you when you’re “apology” involves calling me evil?
your*
Can’t believe I messed that up…
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have said the same thing ever since starting to apoplogize – and you seem to be the first to hear!
I did say that! Except for the “please forgive me” part – that would be telling others what to do.
And since then, I never repeated anything I was accused of, except if I was accused of calling hurting for the purpose of hurting (NOT the purpose of wanted, enthusiastically consensual pleasure) wrong.
That is the opposite of the truth. Retha was here first, used another name after people got angry with Retha to avoid the anger. Retha is not a sock – I am a real person who is getting misrepresented under my real name. If I decieve, it is in using (like most people) an assumed name since then.
@Aylin: Do you hurt people for the purpose of hurting them, wanting them to experience pain not pleasure, trying to break them down? If so, I did not apologize to you. If not, I don’t say anything bad of you.
First of all, it’s inappropriate to refer to LBT’s headmates as “personalities”, and he has said so repeatedly. Second, the fact that his husband is part of his system is entirely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, which makes it look like you only brought it up to discredit LBT. I thought you’d learned all about ableism?
OK, but now your argument has very little to do with kink. Some abusers use kink to hide what they’re doing – as we are all very aware – but plenty of others don’t bother. So why mention kink at all?
@Retha:
That is the opposite of the truth. Retha was here first, used another name after people got angry with Retha to avoid the anger. Retha is not a sock – I am a real person who is getting misrepresented under my real name. If I decieve, it is in using (like most people) an assumed name since then.
Whatever. “No darling, I’m not the guy who beat you up last night! I’m the guy who’s bringing you flowers today! I swear, I’ve changed!”
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“I have said the same thing ever since starting to apoplogize – and you seem to be the first to hear!” should be: ” I have said the same thing ever since starting to apologize, (and even before but that is what I’ve emphasized since) – and you seem to be the first to hear!”
(And I am very grateful that someone is starting to hear, as it is bad if everyone can look up untrue ugly stories of a person under hir real name – as David F. can attest.
@David: I am not comparing. It is still a lot worse to be called a child abuser. Hugs if you want them.
Retha, if you really are here in good faith and really are sorry, please stop with the emotional manipulation. Scroll up to where Ash tried to pull the same shit if you don’t understand why it’s not fucking OK.
I don’t even know what to say right now so I’ll let this cat say it for me.
Retha: you are the biggest emotionally manipulative chickenshit I’ve seen in quite a while. Bravo.
Indeed! And it was that way ever since I first apologized weeks ago. (And partly so even before that.)
I don’t ask to be forgiven – but at least people are finally starting to get what I said.
@Emilygoddess: What did I do that is emotional manipulation?
JFC
UGH IT’S RETHA AGAIN
*goes back to bed*
Holy shit. Words are failing me right now.
In case you need it spelled out for you: you compared your situation to David being accused of child abuse, even though – unlike David – you actually said those things (and even though being a jerk to kinksters is NOTHIG LIKE being accused of child abuse). You implied that people “misunderstanding” you were doing so deliberately and compared them to your stalker. You hijacked someone’s comment about this being a forgiving crowd to throw yourself a pity party, and are trying to paint yourself as a victim and everyone else – people who were hurt by your words – as malicious grudge-holding meanies.
And you still haven’t acknowledged where you fucked up in your comments about LBT.
In case you need it spelled out for you: you compared your situation to David being accused of child abuse, even though – unlike David – you actually said those things (and even though being a jerk to kinksters is NOTHIG LIKE being accused of child abuse).
Also, let’s not forget that David posts under his full name, that he’s an established journalist with a Wikipedia entry to his name. For Retha, we just have what’s presumably her first name, and only her assurance that this is her real name. Also, the accusations leveled against David take up a full website, whereas the accusations against Retha are buried within a couple of lengthy comment threads on a blog.
And you still haven’t acknowledged where you fucked up in your comments about LBT.
Yeah, Retha, since you’re so big on apologizing, maybe you could make an effort to make things right with LBT?
@Retha
“@Aylin: Do you hurt people for the purpose of hurting them, wanting them to experience pain not pleasure, trying to break them down? If so, I did not apologize to you. If not, I don’t say anything bad of you.”
And before you said…
“Not all kinksters enjoy giving pain. Not all who enjoy giving pain are kinksters.
I call enjoying to give pain, including emotional pain, evil.”
“Such cognitive dissonance tells me that BDSM not only hurts the bodies of participants, but their minds too.”
According to you, the relationship my fiancee and I have hurts her by virtue of it being a BDSM relationship since I “hurt” her body and mind somehow. You’ve said that enjoying inflicting pain is evil.
You’re categorizing our relationship as evil because you don’t like it, despite the fact that it is 100% consensual.
And on top of that you said we “love” rape (remember, both of us were raped) and questioned our sympathy for rape survivors.
“People who enjoy playing at rape and kidnapping in their scenes love rape so much that I am unsure if they are safe people. Even if they are not rapists themselves, I wonder if they will have as much sympathy with a raped friend as I do? Or would a rape story from a friend just aid them in their fantasies?”
Yeah, I wonder why I might still be a tad upset by that shit…
This is the first time I remember you making such a distinction, but I’ll reread your earlier stuff to see if I missed something.
@katz
Thanks 😀
@AL3H
D’aww it’s so cute
Eiy. That sucks 🙁 ::offers hugs::
@hrovitnir
gah that bugs me, too. The amount of time I’ve spent having to tell my family no that is not okay is just horrendous.
@wewereemergencies
😀 thanks for restocking the brain-bleach pile
@retha
if you were who I’m remembering, I’m not the one who was hurt by what you said (I disagreed, but it didn’t affect me personally) so I’m not judging to accept your apology or not. If the people you did hurt do, I’d be willing to give you another chance, but I really do not, think I am the best judge of this.
Tho, I also don’t consider myself a ‘generally forgiving’ person 😛
@girlscientist
Seconding.
uuuhhh. Can’t tell exactly why but this is setting of suspicion bells in my head. I mean, I’ll try to ramble why.
1) “you (disagreeing with what I said) makes you like the guy who stalked me”
2) “I know better than you what happened, you’re misunderstanding me, you can’t trust what you remember”
idk if that’s what Retha meant, but it’s the vibes I got??? Someone (not Retha) correct me if I’m wrong.
NO. Wtf. Do not create multiple names just because you messed up. That’s creepy.
@rea
Yeah, I think girlscientist mixxed her up with Ash. But she was here on another thread, idk if you were there, were she was going down the ‘kinksters are evil cuz they like causing pain’ or whatever.
@retha
Uh what the fuck is it with the (ality) in there? they’re people ffs.
No. Not everyone creates another name when they acting like an asshole. Good god.
………….posting before wordpress eats my comment. still havent caught up.
@retha
uuuuuuuuhhhhhhh
thanks for keeping talking, because the more you talk the more massively, massively suspicious I get of you.