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Tattooed hate girls: Are tattoos on women an attempt to repel men? One misogynist says yes.

I don't think the Militant Baker cares if her tattoos are offputting to assholes.
I don’t think the Militant Baker cares if her tattoos are offputting to assholes.

Misogynists hate, hate, hate it when women get tattoos. They just can’t all agree on why. The standard misogynist line on tattoos for women is that they are all, essentially, “tramp stamps” – a way of broadcasting that the woman displaying them is a slut, a skank, a whore. You know the drill.

But the “alternative right” racist/sexist/homophobe who goes by the handle agnostic has a rather different take. In a post on his blog Face to Face, he argues that women with tattoos are actually trying to broadcast their Puritan prudery.

Tattoos, you see, are just plain ugly, and help to accessorize a dreary look designed to repel men.

Notice how those girls dress in drab, dark monochrome colors, wear no girly jewelry, and sport flat hair rather than Big Hair. Their sassy, sarcastic, even nasty attitude echos their off-putting look.

Fundamentally, they are part of the larger trend toward drab dressing, and its signal of reluctance to get loose. Their personalities are more anti-social, so they express the neo-Pilgrim style in a more antagonistic fashion than the less abrasive girls in their generation, but they’re both variations on the same theme.

The tattoo-bearers are likely to be man-haters as well.

They are also part of the larger trend among women toward fear of or hatred toward men. …

In such a climate, women will alter their appearance and demeanor in order to deflate rather than excite the male libido. They act like prey trying to give warning signals to potential predators. The tattoo chicks are only the extreme version of this widespread trend. Girls sure don’t look or act as cute and flirty as they used to in the boy-crazy Eighties, when they thought of guys not as predators but as conspecifics who they wanted to court with engaging mating displays.

“Conspecifics” simply means “members of the same species.” Agnostic loves to drop that sciency lingo in order to make his prejudices seem  smart.

Anyway, he continues by arguing that tattoos are especially offensive to pickup artistes and other “assertive” dudes.

Off-putting style also serves to filter out the more assertive and independent males, who would rather spend time on a girl who looks cute, rather than settle for one who’s all marked up or not willing to show anything at all. … By inking themselves up, girls ensure that only the guys who are willing to get walked over and slapped in the face will approach them. Why go through the long hassle of having your new boyfriend fixed when you can advertise that only the neutered need apply in the first place?

Ah, but this last bit is perhaps more revealing than agnostic means it to be. Tattoos are an affront to misogynists because they’re seen as too assertive, too masculine – a challenge to traditional femininity, and to men who prefer traditionally feminine women.

Tattoos on women make misogynistic men angry because on some fundamental level these men don’t think women have the right to decorate their bodies in a way that displeases men –or at least their kind of men. It’s the same kind of creepy, possessive anger that many misogynistic men show towards women who cut their hair short. It’s as if these men on some level believe women’s bodies belong to them, and not to the women themselves.

And that’s pretty unattractive.

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SandyH
SandyH
7 years ago

Quite telling indeed, that last bit. A huge reason why I have tattoos is specifically because it expresses ownership to me. The fact that it turns of PUAs and their ilk is just a thrilling bonus.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

He’s unintentionally right–my tats do tend to weed out the assholes. But “asshole” and “assertive and independent” are two different things. This dude is revealing himself in so many fun ways.

His or anyone else’s boner was not a factor in getting my ink.

tedthefed
tedthefed
7 years ago

In all of that, I’m honestly most shocked by his mournful paean to 1980s fashion. WHO WANTS TO BRING BACK 1980S FASHION???

Caitlin
7 years ago

And all this time, I thought I was getting tattoos because I thought they looked pretty. Who knew they were also asshole-repellent?

Hyena Girl
7 years ago

I suppose to their minds any way a woman chooses for herself is scary.

So, out of a desire to upset the MRAs and PUAs with my scary scary cooties of self expression…

http://imgur.com/bNgeP

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

Hyena Girl: Okay, that ink is awesome.

Good tatts are always awesome–and honestly, I usually see better ones on women than on men. I think there’s a certain amount of self-sorting there; women who decide to cut against the cultural grain and get ink are more inclined to have thought about how it’s going to look; it’s still considered acceptable (at least at some economic strata) for a guy to get a tattoo on an impulse, and it’s just considered at most a regrettable choice. So women are more likely to put thought into what to get, how it should look, and so on.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
7 years ago

These guys seem pathologically incapable of understanding their individual sexual preferences to be… individual sexual preferences. They’re too insecure to even like what they like.

Personally, I don’t get with no ladies that don’t have Mall Hair. http://bit.ly/1qSdJZH

tealily
tealily
7 years ago

Oh, ok. “Cute”, “flirty”, and “loose” until a woman does that and then they are branded a slut and not relationship or marriage material. And even if women are trying to “repel” men, so what?

Here’s a clue, guys, women DONT CARE what you want us to want. We care what WE want for ourselves. Deal with it, or get lost.

I’ve been a feminist my entire life and I never realized the extent of control these POS want. Big time kudos to every woman who has ever rejected or divorced any of these wastes of space.

Wetherby
Wetherby
7 years ago

My wife marked (literally) the end of her first marriage by getting the tattoos that her ex-husband disapproved of. She’s never had any regrets, and they still look surprisingly good after two full decades.

jayemgriffin
7 years ago

Why on earth would anyone want to repel THESE charmers? /sarcasm

MaudeLL
7 years ago

I thought sexy women were misandric oppression against men!

Andrew Johnston
7 years ago

Where I live, there are probably more women than men sporting ink, and I don’t notice any one predominant personality type among them. I can’t think of any of them who fit this hostile archetype, but I do know plenty who are artsy types who’ve often designed their tattoos themselves and are eager to talk about them. And while we’re on the subject of not all people being the same, I also know plenty of guys who are specifically turned on by tats. Some of the bars around here, if a woman with lots of ink walks in then half of the men will stop what they’re doing and check her out. I’m always amused by all the MRAs who assume that there’s some single, objective, universal standard of beauty (theirs, natch).

Neko McEvil
7 years ago

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emma
emma
7 years ago

“Anyway, he continues by arguing that tattoos are especially offensive to pickup artistes and other “assertive” dudes.”

That’s the hilarious part — among oh-so-many! Because if they are so assertive and secure in their masculinity and their “game,” surely they would not only not be put off by such an “unconventional” display of self-adornment in a woman, but would even welcome it as an opportunity to prove their superior pick-up skills and whatnot. (Not that I wish that on any woman, God forbid.)

RandomPoster
RandomPoster
7 years ago

Well , I don’t really get what they’re complaining about, since in my experience, tattoos can actually further enhance the attractiveness of an already attractive human female, for example, anything around upper arm or the wrist or the waist or the hips or small of the back or the ankles or toes.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

Even assuming that his rectally-derived psychoanalysis is correct – that some women prefer certain traits in a male lover and are marking their bodies in order to better filter out the men they’re not interested in – so fucking what?

He basically just argued that women having preferences is misandry. I know lots of these guys think that, but he actually came out and said it.

and its signal of reluctance to get loose

“Women aren’t sexually available to me, I’m so oppressed!”

WHO WANTS TO BRING BACK 1980S FASHION???

Someone who still thinks “big hair” is the height of female fashion in 2014.

A huge reason why I have tattoos is specifically because it expresses ownership to me.

His or anyone else’s boner was not a factor in getting my ink.

And that’s why they hate them. Any fashion choice they don’t happen to like – tattoos, short hair, pants – is a challenge to their assumption that women’s bodies exist for men to enjoy. People who still don’t believe that men have this assumption need only read the thousands of words of complaint from decades – centuries – of men who are mad about how women are dressing.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

Thanks for the boner update, Pester

emma
emma
7 years ago

@Andrew

“I’m always amused by all the MRAs who assume that there’s some single, objective, universal standard of beauty (theirs, natch).”

Yup. And that standard is conventional in appearance, which translates (in their minds) into docile = easy to dominate. They are a frightfully insecure bunch.

emma
emma
7 years ago

@tedthefed

“In all of that, I’m honestly most shocked by his mournful paean to 1980s fashion. WHO WANTS TO BRING BACK 1980S FASHION???”

Right? That’s the scariest thought of all. (Also see zoon echon logon’s Mall Hair.)

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

There are whole porn sites devoted pics which show that this guy is full of shit.

colleenfromtarsus
7 years ago

I have been pondering getting a tattoo for a while. It’s a very personal choice, so I’m thinking it through, deciding what I want. Note how it’s all about ME and what I want.

Yeah, they can’t stand that. Women making their own choices about their bodies! Shocking!

Luzbelitx
7 years ago

Oh noes! Women might not like assholes and are able show it to the world ate first sight! THE APOCALYPSE, I TELL YOU.

Also, he doesn’t know about the dudes who think tattooed girls love harassment. Oh wait, he said they’re announcing they are sluts. Can’t make up your mind on a reason to hate women so why not have both, huh?

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

*cough* Not that male attraction should be the defining interest in what women wear or how they adorn themselves.

Luzbelitx
7 years ago

Also, my shoulder is more misandric than I thought! Go me!

chimisaur
chimisaur
7 years ago

Well, now I can add tattoos to my misandric shopping list! (Along with headphones, a haircut, SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES and hard chairs). Now to say something I would have never predicted doing in this life: LADIES…who wants to go with me to the maaallll?!

In all seriousness though, I can’t figure out why these guys whine about women repelling them like it’s a *bad* thing. Don’t physical indicators of disinterest save everyone’s time?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

RandomPest: thank you for the unsolicited Note From Your Boner. Piss off.

emma
emma
7 years ago

“It’s as if these men on some level believe women’s bodies belong to them, and not to the women themselves.”

They certainly do believe so. Because those tend to be the same men who, for example, insist that there is no such thing as marital rape.

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
7 years ago

@chimisaur: They probably feel like women doing what men want them to do saves more time. The fact that men have conflicting requirements is just a useful means to keep women from ever being right.

Winter Walker
7 years ago

@Wetherby: My mum did the same thing after the end of a bad relationship – she asked me to take her to get tattooed on her 59th birthday! She picked an elegant little black widow spider, who appears to be perched on top of a birthmark on her hip. We both love her ink – and so does her fiancee, and her 3 yr old granddaughter! Then again, that kid is my sister’s daughter, and my niece, so she’s used to seeing women with ink and piercings. Not to mention that her dad’s a rocker, and has full sleeve tats. She sees tattoos as totally normal, and will plaster herself with Hello Kitty temporaries every chance she gets!

Otherwise, I’m afraid that the asshole of the day has some things right, for once. I *do* dress in a uniform of black jeans and tees, leather jacket, hair in bun, no makeup, thick glasses, and either skater sneaks or steeltoes as a big fat visual “leave me the fuck alone!” It began as a form of self-defence as a bullied teen, and since then I’ve become so sick of being creeped on or harassed that I seldom wear anything feminine or revealing anymore, unless it’s so damn hot out that I’d just as soon go naked. He’s also right that if he (or his sort) approached me, they’d get slapped, at the very least. (I broke the nose of the last guy who laid a hand on me without permission!)

My ink, on the other hand, has nothing to do with men, or anyone else but myself. All my tats are deeply symbolic, and loaded with personal meaning for me. I designed them all, and if I had the cash, I’d have a whole lot more! I think tattoos are beautiful, as have people from all cultures across all of human history. Hyena Girl, that is some particularly outstanding work! Gorgeous!

And if it all keeps the assholes away, so much the better.

chimisaur
chimisaur
7 years ago

@opium4themasses
Oh, right – it all comes back to the “women are appliances not people” thing I have such a hard time wrapping my head around. Seriously my brain must have a trapdoor for that shit or something, because it seems every time I successfully almost see the MRA et al point of view, ten minutes later I’m right back at disbelief that anyone could seriously believe crap like that. This is probably a good thing – keeps me a happier person.

emma
emma
7 years ago

@chimisaur — LOL!

I’m up for the mall trip — to get that awesome hair that zoon echon logon advertised. But could you please explain to me why hard chairs are misandry?

Repelling men is a bad thing, cuz all women and their bodies (actually, scratch women, just leave their bodies) belong to men and are created for their use and pleasure. Denying them such is not only misandry, but also a sin, as the Bible sez somewhere.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
7 years ago

I’m trying to figure out what the hell he meant by ‘drab’. I know lots of people with tattoos, myself included, and if I was asked to describe the style of the average tattoo adorned person I would not use the word drab. At all. Ever.

Tattoos are often colorful and lively, not drab.

chimisaur
chimisaur
7 years ago

@emma – there was a post a couple years back on some guy filing a lawsuit against a college for only having hard chairs in the library, which supposedly discouraged smaller-butted men from participating in the full higher-education experience. I really can’t do the awful thing justice, if you search the blog or look back at the welcome package I’m sure you’ll find it ^_^

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Notice that in this fantasy women get tattooed so that they can hit men in public for no reason at all.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…?

Most of my friends have tats. One of my friends got a beautiful pair of dancing cranes on her lower back to commemorate her marriage. Another got a painting her father made tattooed on her shoulder to remember him by. It’s lovely. Another friend has an awesome tat of Boris Karloff as Frankenstein’s monster on her arm because she is an even bigger horror buff than I am. My stepMIL has a tattoo over her heart that all of her friends got when one of their biker buddies died. Another got a rose on her sideboob because she felt like it one day. Another has a tat that represents her nickname. People get tattooed for different reasons, none of those reasons have anything to do with these dorks who think women’s bodies exist to please them.

That’s what pisses them off. Women go their entire lives never once worried that they aren’t pleasing random boners and that makes these jerks sad. They want everything to be about them and not much is. They are incidental. The world is not a game where they are pcs and women are npcs who only exist in relation to them. Their egos cannot handle that, so women’s agency must exist to cheat or harm then in some way.
That’s some effed up S, right there.

I don’t have any tattoos. That’s not because I want assholes to approach me. It’s because I’ve never seen anything I wanted on my body forever. My husband and I have talked about getting special tattoos for our 25th anniversary, but it isn’t a burning desire we have and good tattoos cost money, take time and they hurt. So, we probably won’t. If we did it would be so that when we see the ink, we smile. We’re not trying to send a message to douchebags we don’t even know.

Funny how these guys don’t think men get inked to send messages to women or as a pretext for violent behavior. They understand that men’s bodies and reasons are their own. They really just cannot grasp the concept of women being people too.

PS. David, i love the photo you choose. That photo is so steamy hot. I’ve read The Mad Baker’s blog and it’s good. I love her tats, especially the ones above her knees. Excellent choice.

ncc1707d
ncc1707d
7 years ago

I just reread the article and comments, and then moved my bun to the crown of my head from its usual nape position, so I can use the ink on the back of my neck to its full oppressive power!

moldybrehd
7 years ago

@fromafar2013 – I think he means the goth, grunge & emo looks, and not the tattoos.

Since the 80s were big into neons, I guess anything else looks drab in comparison. Ugh. Neon pink. Pastels. Of course, he totally fails to remember that the guys were also wearing these colours. Preppie fail.

emma
emma
7 years ago

By drab they mean: “dark monochrome colors, wear no girly jewelry, and sport flat hair rather than Big Hair.”

The horror.

“Their sassy, sarcastic, even nasty attitude echos their off-putting look.”

It deepens.

I’ma run off now to collect all my girly jewelry and donate it to some organization that MRA loathe. All the while marveling the fact that Big Hair deserves capitalization. That’s some serious… stuff, right there.

emma
emma
7 years ago

@chimisaur

“a lawsuit against a college for only having hard chairs in the library, which supposedly discouraged smaller-butted men from participating in the full higher-education experience”

LMAO! (no pun… I think).

Thanks. Can’t make this stuff up.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

*chose 😛

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

These guys seem pathologically incapable of understanding their individual sexual preferences to be… individual sexual preferences. They’re too insecure to even like what they like.

Yeah, it’s fine if he has a preference for body art free girly girls, but I’ve met plenty of people who are attracted to goths.

I also find it funny that in his fondness for 80’s fashion he doesn’t realize that goth became fashionable in the 80’s.

Not that all women with tattoos are goth, but with the complaints about black clothes and unfriendly attitudes that seems to be what he’s referring to.

I wonder if my one and only tattoo is misandry. It’s of Lowly the Worm from Richard Scary. It’s not meant to be a commentary on small penises, but I could see MRAs and PUAs being insecure enough to think of it that way.

moldybrehd
7 years ago

I wouldn’t be suprised if the dood used to be overly obsessed with Molly Ringwald movies.

moldybrehd
7 years ago

*surprised. I missed an ‘r’. Grrrrrrr.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

already attractive human female

Apparently pest can’t seem to bring himself to type ‘women’ even when it saves space.

tinyorc
7 years ago

Awesome. My left calf is hella misandry, and my right thigh is going to become significantly more misandry in June.

2020
2020
7 years ago

Christ women being able to do whatever they please with there own body’s like they were free thinking people or something reeely bothers these guys doesn’t it.

It’s like David Wong was saying on the craked podcast a few weeks ago we’ve entered an age where men feel entitled to access to women’s body’s all most 24/7. Anything a women does that displeases them is being done deliberately just to spite them its like they literally can’t conceive of women as being actual people doing things for there own pleasure.

fromafar2013
fromafar2013
7 years ago

It just occurred to me that my next tattoo I’m planning is of Ada Lovelace. Is that extra misandry x2?

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Also, I’m sorry I wrote “Mad” instead of “Militant”.
That sounds like a combination of these two:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5150/breadmaster.jpg

http://www.thehardmans.com/images/bomber2.jpg

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

20/20

Gotta <3 David Wong.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

In such a climate, women will alter their appearance and demeanor in order to deflate rather than excite the male libido. They act like prey trying to give warning signals to potential predators.

So, tattoos and dark, monochromatic outfits make this guy’s boner sad? How horrible! You can’t see me right now, but a single tear is tracking down my cheek while I play the world’s smallest violin.

Girls sure don’t look or act as cute and flirty as they used to in the boy-crazy Eighties, when they thought of guys not as predators but as conspecifics who they wanted to court with engaging mating displays.

Wut? The ’80’s were the pinnacle of cute, flirty, girly fashion? The decade of stirrup pants, acid wash denim and massive shoulder pads?

And ew for all the predator/prey talk.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

…attractive human female

As opposed to an attractive non-human female?

RandomPester’s talking about women in this clinically detached way, like women are some sort of subspecies rather than, y’know, fellow human beings.

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