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Vox Day: "The concept of marital rape is not merely an oxymoron, it is an attack on the institution of marriage, on the concept of objective law, and indeed, on the core foundation of human civilization itself."

Anti-rape protest in India
Anti-rape protest in India

Apparently worried that the world might forget what a thoroughly reprehensible human being he is, fantasy author and freelance bigot Vox Day (Theodore Beale) has decided to bring up the issue of marital rape again – in order to assert, as he has many times in the past, that marital rape doesn’t actually exist.

In a post yesterday on his blog Vox Populi, Beale notes with obvious pleasure that an Indian judge recently ruled that marital sex, “even if forcible, is not rape,” thus upholding a section of the Indian Penal Code that refuses to acknowledge marital rape as rape.

Beale crows:

Some of my dimmer critics have attempted to make a meal out of my factual statement: a man cannot rape his wife. But that is not only a fact, it is the explicit law in the greater part of the world, just as it is part of the English Common Law. …

The fact that some of the lawless governments in the decadent, demographically dying West presently call some forms of sex between a husband and wife “rape” does not transform marital sex into rape any more than a law that declared all vaginal intercourse to be rape would make it so.

Unfortunately for Beale, simply declaring that the world is on his side on this one does not make it so. It not simply a handful of “ lawless governments in the decadent, demographically dying West” that see marital rape for what it is. The United Nations has recognized marital rape as a human rights violation for more than two decades. And the world is coming around to this point of view.

While (as of 2011) only 52 countries had laws specifically criminalizing marital rape, many others don’t have a “marital rape” exemption to their rape laws, meaning that in more than 100 countries marital rape can be prosecuted. And that number will inevitably grow.

Here’s a map from Wikipedia showing the countries (in red) in which marital rape is illegal. The countries in black allow marital rape. In the other countries, it’s a bit more complicated. (See here for the details.)

From Wikipedia.
From Wikipedia.

But for now, at least, Beale is happy for another chance to explain the toxic “logic” behind his assertion that “marital rape” is impossible.

Anyone with a basic grasp of logic who thinks about the subject of “marital rape” for more than ten seconds will quickly realize that marriage grants consent on an ongoing basis. This has to be the case, otherwise every time one partner wakes the other up in an intimate manner or has sex with an inebriated spouse, rape has been committed.

Now, by Beale’s logic, a husband is entitled to force his wife to have sex over her screaming objections. Since “consent is ongoing,” in Beale’s version of marriage, a woman could say no or even fight back against her husband’s advances, but none of this would count as non-consent because once a woman is married there is no such thing.

But of course Beale doesn’t want to have to defend what is obviously – at least to anyone with any humanity – violent rape. So he tries instead to restrict the debate to the seemingly innocuous practice of “wake-up sex.” After all, what guy doesn’t want to be woken up with a blow job?

But even this example isn’t as persuasive as he thinks it is. Some people like to be woken up in an “intimate manner,” at least some of the time; some don’t, and you don’t get to override their desire not to be sexually manhandled in their sleep just because you’re married to them. And while drunk sex is not necessarily rape, marriage doesn’t give you the right to force sex on a partner who is intoxicated to the point of incapacity.

And for those who wish to argue that consent can be withdrawn, there is a word for withdrawing consent in a marriage. That word is “divorce”.

No, that word is “no.” There is no such thing as ongoing consent to sex. The fact that you are married to someone doesn’t give you the right to have sex with them whenever and wherever you want, whether they want to or not, any more than the fact that someone is a professional boxer gives you the right to punch them in the head any time you feel like it.

The concept of marital rape is not merely an oxymoron, it is an attack on the institution of marriage, on the concept of objective law, and indeed, on the core foundation of human civilization itself.

No, Mr. Beale, you having the right to do whatever you want to with your dick is not the basis of civilization itself. Civilization, in fact, is built in part on the repression of some of our darkest desires. Part of growing up is reconciling ourselves to the sad fact that we can’t just do whatever the hell we want to all the time; Freud described this as putting behind the “pleasure principle” of infancy and early childhood for the “reality principle” that governs the more mature mind.

Beale seems to be driven not only by a desire for instant sexual gratification, whenever and wherever he wants, but also by a certain degree of sexual insecurity. In a previous post on the subject, he wrote:

If a woman believes in the concept of marital rape, absolutely do not marry her! It would make no sense whatsoever to marry a woman who believes that being married to her grants her husband no more sexual privilege than the next unemployed musician who happens to catch her eye.

Beale seems to think that if married women are allowed to say no to their husbands, they’ll desert these poor beta schlubs en masse in favor of scruffy alphas with guitars. At the root of all his arguments against the idea of marital rape is an obvious terror of unrestricted female choice.

In a way Beale’s petulant, self-serving defenses of marital rape serve a positive function, in that they help to remind us how abhorrent the practice is and how nonsensical the “arguments” in favor of allowing it really are.

Every time he opens his mouth on the subject, he helps to strengthen the growing consensus against marital rape.

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Ally S
10 years ago

“Every man has the god given right to obtain sex from his wife whenever he wants.”

A man a describes sex in terms of “obtainment”, but obviously objectification don’t real.

Ally S
10 years ago

You’re wrong. Rape is sex. ~one-quarter of women climax when being raped. That doesn’t happen when they are being beaten.

Putting aside the fact that rape isn’t actually sex, one can still easily argue that rape is – you guessed it – sexual violence. In the sense that it is simply violence done through a sexual means.

I hope Vox Day accidentally takes a swig of bong water (should he have a bong). What a disingenuous piece of shit.

AL3H
AL3H
10 years ago

@winter walker, @amandajane5 and anyone else who wants brain bleach here is some to add to the pile.

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(For the non-Aussies, quokkas are the size of rabbits and live on an island off the coast of Western Australia)

Also, hugs to anyone who wants them.

Lea
Lea
10 years ago

Thanks for the brain bleach!

Winter Walker
10 years ago

Thank you for the hugs and brain bleach! Those quokkas are bloody adorable!

DreamingRainne (@DreamingRainne)

OP:

Beale seems to be driven not only by a desire for instant sexual gratification, whenever and wherever he wants, but also by a certain degree of sexual insecurity.

If he were motivated by instant sexual gratification, he could simply take up masturbation. But he’s not motivated by sexual gratification: he’s motivated by power. Framing it as a sexual motivation is a way to try to make it look legitimate.

This post I found

Rape isn’t about uncontrollable sexual desire. You only have to listen in on a Call of Duty game to see that. When that kid crows, “I raped you!”, he’s not calling the other guy sexy; he’s saying he defeated him, dominated him, humiliated him. That’s what rape is about, and that should scare you.

Exhibit B:

@weirwoodtreehugger

It is also unfortunately common for severely disabled people to be raped by those who are supposed to be their caregivers and some of those victims are large men.

@Ally S

And that’s not all. People with disabilities (severe or otherwise) are roughly twice as likely to be raped or sexually assaulted

And that’s not because they’re sexier or more sexually gratifying than able-bodied people, but because they’re easier to exert power over.

fromafar2013
10 years ago

These assholes really don’t understand the simple concept of consent, do they?

Tyrion Lannister understands consent way better than Vox or Gary.

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35300000/Tyrion-Sansa-rachel_potter-productions-35311967-1366-768.png

I swear, if Tyrion dies I might stop watching.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
10 years ago

@HyenaGirl: So by his “basic grasp of logic” if his spouse was to surprise him with a pair of handcuffs and a large strap-on she’d be entirely within her rights?*

Based on his previous comments, he’d take great pride in beating his spouse to a pulp for trying.

Ally S
10 years ago

Rape isn’t about uncontrollable sexual desire. You only have to listen in on a Call of Duty game to see that. When that kid crows, “I raped you!”, he’s not calling the other guy sexy; he’s saying he defeated him, dominated him, humiliated him. That’s what rape is about, and that should scare you.

So true.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
10 years ago

@Fade: i am actually a polar bear.

How are you able to type perched on that single small goddamned iceberg all polar bears appear to be on these days?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

It would make no sense whatsoever to marry a woman who believes that being married to her grants her husband no more sexual privilege than the next unemployed musician who happens to catch her eye.

Hey, at least now we know who specifically Vox feels sexually threatened by.

Phoenician in a time of Romans
Phoenician in a time of Romans
10 years ago

@fromafar2013: I swear, if Tyrion dies I might stop watching.

Valar morghulis applies to Lannisters too, as will shortly become clear if teh TV series follows the books…

Ally S
10 years ago

It would make no sense whatsoever to marry a woman who believes that being married to her grants her husband no more sexual privilege than the next unemployed musician who happens to catch her eye.

Accidental bong-water-drinking isn’t enough. He needs to lick a cactus as well.

Emcube
Emcube
10 years ago

Someone’s gonna have to tell me how to use the quote feature on here.

@Ally S
Thanks for that welcome package. Absolutely hilarious. I had been wondering for a while what the scented candle thing was… just… lol.

@David Futrelle
AVFM supports Save Indian Family? How surprising. I find it especially grating that they continue to use the term “MHRA.”

Emcube
Emcube
10 years ago

Oh never mind, didn’t notice the quotes thing is explained on that welcome package.

DreamingRainne (@DreamingRainne)

Emcube:

<blockquote&rt;Someone’s gonna have to tell me how to use the quote feature on here.</blockquote&rt;

becomes:

Someone’s gonna have to tell me how to use the quote feature on here.

Robert
Robert
10 years ago

Part of me hopes that this is the tipping point where many of T. Beale’s supporters stop and say, “what? He said WHAT? Oh my ears and whiskers, Scalzi was right – this guy’s a blob of glup”, and stop supporting him.

Alas, this is about as likely as Karl Rove and Dick Cheney marrying each other. If someone was still a VD fan by this point, they’ll be toasting him with a nice cold glass of Limbaugh’s “Two if by Tea” canned beverage.

DreamingRainne (@DreamingRainne)

Blockquote Monster is evolving! Blockquote Monster is becoming Postmodern Blockquote Monster!

Postmodern Blockquote Monster has gone meta. It’s super effective!

(Let’s try that again.)

<blockquote>This</blockquote>

becomes:

This

kittehserf
10 years ago

Gary:

Rape IS assault. It doesn’t have to involve bruises.

Now fuck off forever.

kittehserf
10 years ago

DreamingRaine – it’s evolved even more than that: it’s become the Blockquote Mammoth!

leftwingfox
10 years ago

DreamingRaine – it’s evolved even more than that: it’s become the Blockquote Mammoth!

We squashed flat the quote nesting for you!

Emcube
Emcube
10 years ago

Alright, let’s try this:

Rape IS assault. It doesn’t have to involve bruises.

I blame this on the media/movies/etc. I mean, never mind the MRAs, they’ll believe in pretty much anything no matter how divorced from reality it actually is so long as they manage to twist it for their “cause” (cough), but I know a lot of people who are “non-partisan” (more accurately: the faux-egalitarian types who prefer to be called “humanists” instead of “feminists”) who tend to think that rape ALWAYS involves physical violence, i.e., bruises and whatnot. They can’t seem to understand the fact that the act itself is violent – and this leads to especially stupid and egregious and outrageous statements like “the woman might have said no, but she consented physically because she wasn’t constantly thrashing about or flailing her arms wildly and screaming for help” or similar.

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

To lighten the mood, I would like to a tale of misandry that is occurring in my very own home. Between my cats. Unlike most kitties, Dracarys does not bury her poop in the litter box. She just drops a deuce on top and walks away. This doesn’t sit right with Darrow so he always goes in after to bury her poop for her.

I figure this is the cat version of women sitting at home eating bonbons while men go out and work hard all day.

Cthulhu's Intern
10 years ago

This might be late, but has anyone else noticed that when anyone talks about false rape accusations because the man is “innocent until proven guilty” seems to conveniently forget that the woman is also innocent until proven guilty of the crime of falsely accusing someone of rape?

weirwoodtreehugger
10 years ago

the woman might have said no, but she consented physically because she wasn’t constantly thrashing about or flailing her arms wildly and screaming for help

I’ve actually heard someone argue that a woman can say no with her mouth and yes with her eyes and that’s consent.

The scary thing is, some of these people truly think they oppose rape.

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