Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
That’s a lovely name, Winter Walker! 🙂
@michelle
Yes and no. Over the radio they can’t call people b*tches, but that doesn’t stop the lyrics from being sexist.
I think Ally, LBT and others have already hit the nail on the head with the reason for this. (and make sure to check LBT’s post for good history lesson, when you get to it.)
@Marie
Thanks for the link.
From the article:
Fucking asshole.
@dustedeste:
“I’d say that there’s really no more sexism in rap than there is in rock; it’s just that rap’s sexism has been coded as unacceptable because it’s perpetrated largely by Black individuals. Whereas white dudes get a pass. If someone wants to make a generalization that the music scene in general is misogynistic, I’ll take that as valid, given the state of things, but when it gets down to demonizing specifically rap or other styles of music that originated with and continue to be tied to minority cultures, it reeks of poorly-disguised racism.
And really, if you can’t recognize how abysmally rock or country or ANY other white-coded genre treats women, either you’ve never listened to any or you have no idea what you’re talking about :/ FFS, even classical music has a long history of discrimination against women.”
Yeah, I’d have to agree about misogyny in the whole industry. I heard once that Marie Osmond went into country because she knew it was so tough for a woman to make it in pop, but country was more open to women succeeding, apparently. Taht’s the story I heard.
I don’t do rock, and I’ve never been into country, either. My mother hated country music, with a passion, so it was never heard in our house.
“classical music has a long history of discrimination against women.” But you must admit that instrumental music does not have problematic lyrics. Opera is, I grant you, often misogynistic. For instrumental, the misogyny is all behind-the-scenes.
@beegeee
i just listened to that song you linked. i can’t say whether i liked it or not. i am just really confused. i think the contrast between the soft floaty stuff and the growly stuff broke my brain…. 😛
@michelle
Well, yeah, because it doesn’t have lyrics. That’s hardly a recommendation when talking about misogynistic lyrics…
I’ll add that the white supremacist disdain for rap is rooted in a classist, racist aversion to delinquency. The loudest, most harmful opponents of rap have been rich white people, as far as I can tell.
Oh, hey, so here’s an illustration of how racism plays into the framing of rap as uniquely misogynistic. So, a few years back I went to see Tricky, which I was super excited about because he reminds me of a certain time in my life that I’m nostalgic about, the people I knew then, and so on. He holds the same kind of special “I remember when” place in the heart for a lot of Brits of my generation who were into similar scenes when they were younger. Anyway, apparently a lot of people here don’t really know who he is, but I guess since I was so obviously bubbling over with excitement about the show some people must have looked him up, because I suddenly started getting comments about how they didn’t know I liked rap (which he doesn’t do). And then there were the snide sexualized comments about women being into “thugs”, and all kinds of similar associated crap.
He does trip-hop. He was in Massive Attack. His mother was a poet, ffs. There is nothing scary about Tricky, but hey, he’s a muscly, masculine-looking black guy, so that’s why I found myself listening to weeks worth of dumb racist bullshit from people who really should have known better.
So please, don’t even try to argue that the way rap is framed as extra-super-specially misogynistic and violent isn’t about race. Not when a bunch of well educated, supposedly intelligent Americans apparently think this guy is a “thug”.
@LBT – “Aw, but I love polka! It and mariachi are the only two musical genres that are guaranteed non-frightening after watching/playing something scary.”
I swear this is true. I once lived in an apartment complex where my neighbors began every Saturday morning by blaring out mariachi-polka music, tuba and all.
I have no idea what the band was, and couldn’t make out lyrics through the walls, but I often wondered. It was quite a way to start the day.
Actually, in the context of that link, she was talking about the song “Poker Face,” not answering the rumors about her having a penis (I don’t recall it ever being said that she was trans, usually that she was a “dude” or just that she had a penis. The same rumor circulated about Ciara around the same time, as I recall.)
From the link:
‘”It’s about a lot of different things. I gamble but I’ve also dated a lot of guys who are really into sex and alcohol and gambling…It’s got a bit of an undertone of confusion about love and sex.”
‘In an interview with a popular American Magazine she even began to play down the outrageous aspects of her character saying, “I’m really a lady!”
‘”I’m not quite as outrageous as I look – underneath all this I am deeply moral and actually a really nice girl.”‘
So in this context she seems to be using the term “lady” to mean a gentile person rather a wild thang, and not referring to the rumors about her sex at all.
@marie – “if you’re going to talk about rap, and how rap is portrayed by the media, you can’t ignore the racism in the way the media is reporting it.”
I’m not ignoring the racism in the way the media is reporting it. I literally had never considered it before. My white privilege, I guess. I’m getting an education now, and thank you for that!
When I think of how I have seen in portrayed in media reports, I always focused on the lyrics, and had not noticed the media’s focus on race for that genre. Now I am noticing that, so I see how the racism got into the debate here. I have to admit, I was surprised to see that.
However, now that it’s been pointed out to me, I can look back at the media portrayals and reports, and see the connection. Come to think of it, I seem to recall, once, reading about how Eminem was trying to “act black,” (whatever that even means) for his rap music.
Yeah, now I think about it even more, it seems kind of obvious, and only my white privilege prevented me from noticing it before. Thank you very much for helping me check my privilege. I do appreciate the education, because without such education, how can I progress?
Did I offend anyone with my comments? If so, I apologize.
@cassandra
^Seconded.
@michelle
Eh. You didn’t offend me, but I”m also white, so not the target of racism. The conversation was slightly tiresome, though, since we just had it a page ago with phonecian. (sp?)
Well, as the resident German here, I had to dig for the lyrics. Here’s a kind of lousy translation; you can put the words in proper order. A couple of grammatical points to bear in mind: All nouns are capitalized in German, and all are gendered. The Sun, die Sonne, is feminine, hence all the “she”.
The video is a metaled-up takeoff on the Disney version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Only the “dwarfs” aren’t small and cute; they’re coal miners who rescue Snow White from her glass casket with their jackhammers, no prince necessary. And the fact that she appears in bright light and full color underscores her “sunny” aspect, compared to the hard-working dwarfs who spend most of their time underground. She’s the “brightest star” in their otherwise dingy lives, and they can’t bear to see her light extinguished.
Other notes: Coal mining is still a major industry in Germany, and Rammstein is a band that likes leftish/industrial themes. They also have their tongues in cheek a lot of the time, although it’s hard to guess from the dire-sounding delivery of this one. “Amerika” is a better example of their satirical side; it mocks the “patriotic” consumerism of the Bush II era. The video for that one is unmistakably goofy, too.
I have my doubts as to whether they’d actually support anything MRA-ish; they could, however, easily be mocking those ideas and have the point missed by an over-serious toolbag…or several.
That’s a lovely name, Winter Walker! 🙂
Got just the place for you, ladysunami – Crafty SPINSTERS on Ravelry, for us ancient Mammotheer types. 😉
Michelle – plus the huge improvement in infant survival rates. The big reason life expectancy is listed as so low for earlier centuries is the huge child mortality. The “people died at forty” line is a load of BS.
seraph – that’s not the same PhoenicianRomans who posts on RS now, surely? That poster doesn’t do shitty stuff – acerbic, but not misogynist.
On the “why rap in particular” – wasn’t zie just responding to a “first MRA rapper” comment, ie. one specifying rap, and not any other genre?
I can totally sympathise, Michelle. Anything remotely resembling doof-doof music being imposed on me makes me vomit. I mean that literally, not figuratively. I have no idea who’s performing it, their race or anything else: I react viscerally to a sound that may not even have lyrics.
I think genteel is the word there, not gentile – gentile means “not Jewish”. (Autocorrect, I bet!)
That would be the 30 seconds that are blatantly ripped off.
A wikipedia reading on that.
This is my all-time favorite German pop song:
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqETvqwmyG4?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D
Ummm, did that embed right? I can’t tell.
I didn’t read seraph’s comment as suggesting that Phoenician was a misogynist, more that he’s prone to picking fights over trivial crap because he likes playing Devil’s Advocate and has no sense of proportion/relevancy/why this particular time and place may not be appropriate for all that stuff, which is what he was doing in this thread. All misogynists are assholes, but not all assholes are misogynists.
Okay, now that I read that last quote from Marie’s link, I have to agree with Ally, Gaga is a fucking asshole.
I really liked her in the past, so I was kind of hoping she was being misquoted or credited with things other people had said, but yeah, she went there.
@ivyshoots (cn transmisogyny from the quotes)
Uh how far in the link did you read. Because if you’d read a little farther down you’d have seen
So it clearly did have a lot to do with transmisogyny…not just her wanting to not be viewed as a ‘wild girl’ or w/e.
cassandra – ah, gotcha, I hadn’t read it that way, prolly ‘cos that’s not my impression of the Phoenician-on-RS’s comments, overall.
Nuke Dillon: I’m afraid your understanding of the biology is a bit wrong. What gives adolescent girls their high mate value isn’t their supposedly high current fertility but rather their FUTURE fertility. An adolescent virgin still has the whole of her reproductive lifespan ahead of her and is capable of giving a man more offspring than an older women who has used up some of her breeding years.
What twaddle.
A person’s fertility isn’t valuable in the future (when speaking of evolution), but in the present/past. That your ilk value inexperience and social vulnerability speaks to the lack of social capital you’ve acquired (and hence the relative inability to attract/keep the attention of women who are in their “biological peak”).
That sexual selection is a two-way street is a problem for those who can’t garner the interest of their peers. But, since we have more cultural than biological imperatives in our mate selection, MRA/PUA seem to need to short circuit the process by putting the target of their interest on a disadvantaged basis (in that their peers aren’t as able to compete in the area of access to, “sophisticated” places and the other trappings of adult success that the age gap (or the case of jake the flake, economic inequality) makes easier to make somewhat accessible.
Typo or Freudian slip?
@kittehserf,
Oh snap! No, not autocorrect; brain fart! Thanks for the out, but I cannot tell a lie.
@cassandra
um, typo. :blushes: I had to type the whole quote up by hand cuz Ally linked to the book, and I couldn’t copy pasta from it.