Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
It sure is! Was that mean to me ironic or serious? I don’t understand German.
Yeah, that’s pretty damn racist.
Speaking of rap, I’m a big fan of 80s/90s rap. I haven’t listened to much rap but so far I really like Whodini and Ice Cube.
@weirwoodtreehugger
I’m afraid your understanding of the biology is a bit wrong. What gives adolescent girls their high mate value isn’t their supposedly high current fertility but rather their FUTURE fertility. An adolescent virgin still has the whole of her reproductive lifespan ahead of her and is capable of giving a man more offspring than an older women who has used up some of her breeding years.
It’s true that girls who start reproducing at a young age suffer more birth complications but this only rarely happens. Evolution has selected for low fertility in early adolescence to minimise the chances of a girl getting pregnant at that young age. I could explain more about the mathematics that governs this but I’m not sure my comments we be allowed.
I don’t think Rammstein really do irony. They’re about as much fun as a root canal.
Rammstein are really terrible. I hated that song “Feuer Frei”, so I don’t feel that they’re capable of making anything worth a listen.
If you’ve heard one Rammstein song I dunno why you’d need to hear any more, since they all sound the same anyway.
Glad there’s a general piling-on as far as the whole racist comment about rap goes; I mean, I have bland-to-nonexistent taste in music beyond not wanting to feel directly insulted, and I’m not interested in most music to the point where I could even point you in the direction of where to look for songs of any genre that bypass misogyny/toxic masculinity, but I see the whole “Oh but rap is soooo baaaaad so much worse than white-people-music!” shit trotted out way too much, and that’s just bullshit. You don’t get to pick and choose which genres to hold to a higher standard and overlook the disgusting stuff in your favorites.
Plus you just know when someone brings up the whole argument that some fucker is going to start going on about how totally awesome Macklemore is, and how he’s totes redeeming the genre or whatever appropriative load of crap.
Even though I’m a grumpy atheist I love the very Christian Arrested Development because they have a great non-misogynist attitude towards women and also have a lot of intelligent things to say about race and class.
This song is really sweet and needs to be shown to Nice Guys as an example of the right way to deal with rejection (get over it and date someone you’re actually compatible with instead of becoming a misogynist).
I’m sure he doesn’t actually intend going for citizenship, but he’s in for trouble if he does. My wife and I looked into me getting vietnamese citizenship or some sort of permanent visa, just to save time at the airport when we visit her family, and I found that to even qualify enough to apply I would need to be able to pass a language test, and live in the country for six months continuously (needing a job usually to qualify for such a long visa), and spend a lot of money. And that’s for someone who has a recognised marriage in this country.
It’s something non migrants don’t realise-it’s actually quite hard to get residence in other countries.
As for the sex tourism stuff, it’s something he is risking a lot of trouble over. There is a sex tourism problem in Vietnam, as Dave pointed out largely due to the poverty making few choices possible apart from this (certainly the sort of employed, well off families either study and get jobs, or get married quickly and have babies, with sex outside of marriage still being seen as fairly taboo-those in sex work are more likely to be country girls, going to the city to send money back to their families, the same sort of population who are prone to being sent overseas as a mail order bride), while some hotels are willing to look the other way, others can and do choose to be very strict on this. There have been cases of similarly aged brothers and sisters being refused a hotel room due to suspicions one is a prostitute, and prior to being married, my then fiancée and I had to pretend to be married to be allowed to stay at a hotel. There are of course ways around it, as there are anywhere, but it’s still a risk to take, and vietnamese jails aren’t known for their comfort.
I have really mixed feelings about “If You Want to Be Happy,” because my predecessor LOVED it as a kid. It’s such a perky, enjoyable tune! It’s only when you start thinking hard about the lyrics that you get concerned, but my predecessor interpreted them to mean that appearances weren’t everything and personality and skills were more important. I still kinda want Jimmy Soul to have been mocking the ideas; he didn’t seem a guy who took himself very seriously.
For those who are unfamiliar with Phoenician, he is or was a regular at Pandagon, and he’s an asshole. A complete, utter, unrepentant, proudly self-declared asshole. 95+% of the time, he’s an asshole who’s pointed in the right direction, and it would have been nice to have him around here in the old days of MRAL and NWOSlave. But as you can see, every so often he gets the urge to do the “devil’s advocate about something really important, gee, why are you getting so upset I’m staying calm” thing just to be contrary. Amanda has had to slap him down for that more than once.
…Was that Rammstein video created by the same people who brought us Once Upon a Time?
I’ve seen plenty of rap videos (not my thing, at all). I don’t think I’ve ever seen a metal video, and I don’t even know what “industrial” is. I thought that had to do with machines taking jobs from human beings and revolution.
OK, I’m on my pain pill again today, but my point is, rap is well-known, and metal and industrial, not so much. Rap would be my go-to example of sexism, because of all the “bitches” and “his” in the lyrics, and it being pretty much the only genre *to which I have been exposed* that has that aspect. Perhaps Phoenician is the same way.
Just trying to give a little benefit of the doubt, here.
@ seraph
Yep, that’s exactly how he was reading to me. It’s useful having a well-tuned asshole-dar.
Cassandrakitty – OK, it’s German, but what genre is that music?
Not to my taste, regardless of lyrics or video. I prefer more melodic music that doesn’t give me a headache. Harps, for example.
http://sarahmariemullen.com
She’s great! Her music always puts me in a good mood.
Ugh, I hate it when guys fetishize asians like that. It just creeps me out.
I get the feeling that those women (and, girls *shudders*) who he “conquers” are really just so poor and desperate that they’re willing to put up with a creepy man like him. I’m pretty sure 17 is against the law in Vietnam… I agree with the above posts, there really should be more international cooperation against human trafficking. Not punishing the trafficked, but those who seek it out.
There’s a long and storied history of genres predominated by white guys (rock, mainly) being treated as Real, Serious Music and all the genres predominated by women, minorities, gay people, etc being treated as either frivolous and low-quality (pop) or depraved and unmusical (rap).
@Michelle y
well, the lyrics of a song don’t really determine the genre. my favorite songs from when i was like, thirteen were mostly rock and hard rock, and i had to stop listening to a bunch of them b/c the unbearable misogyny.
Time for awesome rap! Here’s my personal favorite, which I listen to all the time while working:
The Tupac Shakur rap mentioned earlier.
Angel Haze raps about her rape history, being queer, and ED history (obvious warnings):
RE: JM
it’s actually quite hard to get residence in other countries.
You’re telling me. I spent a year in New Zealand, working for a university, and I doubt I would’ve been able to get residency. My father was a student there, our mother gainfully employed, and they STILL had a hell of a time getting residency. And we spoke the language!
I’d say Rammstein were right inbetween metal and industrial, leaning more metal, somehow managing to combine the most boring and dumb aspects of both genres. You can tell that I’m a big fan, huh? But yeah, they are a plague upon both music scenes, if you imagine that some evil scientist created a plague that left people bored and vaguely irritated rather than dead. Like Nickelback are for mainstream rock radio.
@LBT
I love Angel Haze! I actually really, really like rap, so sometimes I do get irritated by the blatant sexism. But the same thing can be applied to hair metal, which my parents played a lot when I was a kid and which I still love. I think, for me at least, as long as I know the bands members (or rappers) haven’t done anything truly problematic irl I can still listen to their music, I just have to accept that what they are saying isn’t 100% kosher.
There have been some musicians that were so bad I had to stop listening to them – Eminem and Avenged Sevenfold come to mind, though neither are that good imo so not a big sacrifice on my end.
I like Rammstein’s music, but I don’t speak German and I avoid their videos. I listen to them because I like the sound of the German language. They are one of about 6 or 7 German bands I listen to.
@LBT – “But yeah, let’s pretend that all rap is about misogyny and not full of awesome social commentary and rappers who are pissed about the stereotypes.”
To be fair, Phoenician did not say “all rap.” Phoenician said about half of it. That means that about half is NOT MRA stuff. Yaaay!
I don’t even care for rap, but I am aware that there are some uplifting rap songs out there. It’s just not my thing, musically.
Unfortunately, there are a number of rappers who are famous for their rap, as well as for their abhorrent ideas. They tend to give the whole genre a bad reputation, especially to those who do not listen to rap, and learn about the good artists out there.
This whole kerfuffle reminds me of a scene in “Sons of Provo,” where a boy band is performing in front of a largely Mormon audience, and they incorporate a rap song, “Don’t be a Potty Mouth.” It is a song about NOT swearing, but it is rap, and a whole lot of the audience members freak, thinking that the song, because it IS rap, must be evil. The show is poking fun at Mormons (made by and for Mormon, btw, and it’s all in good fun), but the point is made that not all rap music is bad. You have to actually listen to the lyrics! Go figure!
For that matter, not all sweet-sounding old-fashioned music is good. You have to actually listen to the lyrics! Go figure!
Speaking of stuff that fetishizes Asia, people here saw this mess, right?
@ cassandrakitty and Ally S
Is the problem with Rammstein just that their music sounds bad? I just read the lyrics to a number of their songs, and I didn’t notice anything misogynistic. However, I often miss unstated meaning. I believe it’s a symptom of Asperger’s Syndrome, which I have.
@seraph
Huh. Never heard of that site. Not surprised to hear he’s an asshole in more than one place, tho. :/
@michelle
::rolls eyes:: Seriously? I feel like we just had this conversation, upthread. Either you’ve been exposed to very few music genres, or you’ve been very lucky. I listen to a lot of rock, tho some other stuff, and all of it has had some misogynistic lyrics in it. If you’re going with ‘bitches’ and ‘his’ (????) then I’m going to talk about all the rock songs I’ve heard where the male singer has expressed the desire to rape someone. And I’m pretty sure rock is a well known genre.
You need examples of lyrics from songs? Cuz I could post some, if you ask, though I would be here all night.
^BAM
@michelle
phoenician was also talking out of his ass. Big generalization not meaning everyone does not make the said generalization true.
Actually, I think what gives the genre a bad reputation is many rap artists being black and many people being racist.