Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
I’ve got to assume that with something like that, most countries would not extradite the woman to Saudia Arabia because that law is a human rights abuse.
The sex slavery trade is something all sensible people can agree is abhorrent and deserves punishment.
I don’t see the equivalency.
Sounds like a slippery slope to me.
@weirwoodtreehugger – your post about the health dangers of adolescent girls having babies is spot on.
I think this is one of the main reasons that our average life expectancy has gone up over the centuries. We have more people waiting until they are older and, as jerkface said, “the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.” Those “outlines” are her bones being completely grown and set, and her structure being finalized for adulthood.
Anotehr main reason, of course, is the idea of washing the hands between patients. Doctors killed more patients than midwives ever did, because the midwives washed their hands, and the doctors did not. It was a big scandal, once upon a time.
Anyway, a woman is actually at her most fertile between the ages of about 25 to 35.
This guy likes them “barely legal,” because he can’t have them “illegal,” without getting into trouble with law enforcement. Basically, he’s a wannabe pedophile who doesn’t care about the health or safety of his victims, at all.
I feel sorry for the poor girls of Vietnam, who are so susceptible to him and his money.
@sparky – “All I can think of is some poor, desperately impoverished Vietnamese teenager, trying to take care of herself and this asshole’s child, because I doubt he’d be one to take care of the children he’d father.”
Of course not! Don’t you know that child support is the evil feminazi plot to steal all the menz’ hard-earned wages? Their semen is LIQUID FUCKING GOLD!!!!eleventyone!!! and these poor girls should be scrimping and saving to scrape up enough money to PAY the dudebros to sire children with them.
Also, on the slippery slope thing, the laws making American citizens legally culpable for sexually exploiting minors in other countries have been in effect for a long time, and they haven’t actually slippery sloped us to the point where we in the US are extraditing people for crimes we don’t think are crimes.
Adult women are so awful, with our fully developed pelvic “outlines” and our ability to enforce boundaries.
Dude really does sound like he thinks youth is a virus you can catch by molesting it. Sorry, buddy, no matter how many kids you molest people can still tell that you’re getting older.
@David
I’m glad to hear laws like that have been in effect. And not at all surprised the slipperly slope thing didn’t happen.
@Marie
I agree that the “things are worse in [country]” argument is widely used as an attack on Western feminism, and that’s a huge problem. However, the issues women face in Saudi Arabia are real and extremely awful. Women aren’t allowed to drive, they won’t get the vote until next year, and according to the Wikipedia article on Women’s Rights in Saudi Arabia “The World Economic Forum 2009 Global Gender Gap Report ranked Saudi Arabia 130th out of 134 countries for gender parity.”
Phoenician’s argument has a lot of genuine holes. Much better to focus on those, rather than the one side-issue on which zie is correct.
I’m just loling at hir attempt to splain the place to someone who’s actually lived there (hi!).
@alan
Sorry, to clarify, I wasn’t trying to say that they weren’t awful, just that the way phoenocian was barging in with that as a derail/ slippery slope thing was making me more suspicious of zir.
Am I the only one who’s still hung up on the MRA rap video thing?
@ katz
Nope, I just figured that if I pointed out the racism there people would think I was piling on in a mean meanypants way.
Think of it as piling on in more of an educational teachypants way.
@katz
No, I agree it’s suspicious as fuck, just haven’t seen phoenocian come back to try to explain zirself.
(that one was also phoenocian, right?)
@Marie
Fair enough, and I daresay your proverbial red flags were raised justifiably.
It’s such a tediously predictable form of racism, too. Whenever sexism in music videos comes up people always bang on and on about rap, as if the whole metal and industrial videos with women in cages/dressed up like they just jumped out of a bad fantasy novel cover thing never happened. I guess white guys are allowed to be blatantly misogynistic as long as they call it art.
There are a lot of sexist rap videos. However, rock videos are just as bad. One of the reasons my first celebrity crush was Kurt Cobain was because he spoke out against the rampant sexism in rock videos and refused to do that himself. <3
Or, I mean, black metal videos? I’ve seen actual “sexy naked woman is human sacrifice” so often that it’s a cliche of the genre. But most of the guys making those videos are Scandinavian, so hey, art! And much less sexist than a close-up shot of a woman’s butt.
RE: Phoenician
I meant that a large number of rap videos already lo0oked like advertisements for MRA attitudes.
Aaaaaand a bunch of other music videos AREN’T? What exactly about rap makes it so much worse?
(Ooh, ooh, does this mean we can turn the post into one for awesome raps? I’m totally up for that, since we were talking about Tupac’s Keep Ya Head Up just the other day.)
RE: cassandrakitty
Don’t be ridiculous! You just THINK you lived there. You don’t really have a leg to stand on.
Also, since the subject came up, here is a video that really is a visual representation of MRA philosophy.
I’m not hearing any rapping.
(Before anyone says that what the dude is doing sounds like rapping, lol no. He’s just talking because he thinks it sounds all dark and menacing and shit.)
Well, I guess some rap has a fairly terrible view on women.
Like this one
Oh. Wait. No. That’s what I use to revise for economics.
Ahem.
This was even more sexist and creepy than I remembered with the implication that the woman in the video is underaged.
Hey, I love doo-wop and motown and 60s music, but come on, guys, Jimmy Soul’s “If You Want To Be Happy” would be the MRA anthem, if they were actually willing to lower their absurd standards.
Not even going to TOUCH the whole classical music tradition where it was presumed women couldn’t play French horn and shit because delicate ladylungs and everyone went into a tizzy once blind selections were started. (Wow! Suddenly the number of women in classical orchestras and symphonies leaped upward!)
But yeah, let’s pretend that all rap is about misogyny and not full of awesome social commentary and rappers who are pissed about the stereotypes.
True story: When I was seventeen, I got a crush on an older man. He was about 23-24. I’m not sure, exactly, but not older than that.
Now, I was a mature girl, very responsible, over-achiever and all that. My parents knew and liked the guy, and they knew that I had a crush on him. One night, they told me that should this guy ask to marry me, they would give their approval, and permission for me to marry before I turned 18, since he traveled so much that waiting would be difficult.
Thank GOD he didn’t see me as anything other than a kid.
And before you start in on “what in the world were your parents thinking?!” I believe (though I have never confirmed it with them) that they were using reverse-psychology on me, hoping that if I knew it was approved, I wouldn’t feel the need to get sneaky. In order to keep things approved, I’d have to keep things open and above-board, and that means being ladylike, and not throwing myself at him. Thus, if there HAD been a relationship between us, it would have been all on him. But he never did make any moves on me, because “kid.”
I met up with him again, about a year and a half later, and wondered what I had ever seen in him.