Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
Oh, this is my favourite Big Hair pic for the Renaissance – even allowing for a heap of artistic license, I’m thinking there was a very busy wig-maker in that town. 🙂
http://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ep/web-large/DT226950.jpg
OT: just read a page on 15th century Romanian fashion and saw the best mistranslation/typo – “Vlad the Impeller.”
Okayl, I really hope Prince Dimitrie is only portrayed like this and didn’t actually try combining a periwig with a turban.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dimitrie_Cantemir_02.jpg
Oh dear! That really is beyond the pale.
Also now I really want one of those wigs. Going to have to look into that…
Imagine trying to balance a periwig AND a turban! Not a good idea at all.
Thinking about the woman you’re dating in terms of reproductive viability is already unforgivably skeezy, unless maybe you’re from Krypton or something. But these people aren’t even right about younger mothers in a stupid biotruth sense. In most parts of the world since we stopped living in caves most mothers have been in their twenties when they first give birth.
The thing about teenage mothers is that while yes their eggs will be younger than that of a woman ten years older than them, their bodies likely will be less suitable at that point in their lives to carry the baby safely, especially if they’re just in their mid teens. People aren’t really done physically developing until they’re in their twenties.
Historically really young mums were commonly restricted to the aristocracy, where bloodline and other such bullshit were held above practicality and safety. And even there they usually waited till the girls were a certain age. The average age of marriage for peasants, the people actually doing the work, was about twenty eight, same as now. Because magical fresh eggs aren’t really worth the complications.
And that’s just the bare biological reasons. Pick up artists sex tourists, even medieval times is too smart for them.
Oh and since Fay was mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU95v23MQ4c
I mean, a turban can be quite easy to manage (one of my friends wears one and seems to have no trouble), but on top of a wig? I think not! It’d just wobble around and fall off; such lofty heights were not meant to be attained by mere men!
dustydeste – just what I was thinking, ‘cos that thing isn’t being worn around his head, it’s just perching there!
Zolnier –
Now I’m wondering if the Red Pill is like red Kryptonite. It seems to have at least as bizarre an effect.
I think the only way I could pity Lana Lang on Smallvile is if red Kryptonite did that to Clark.
Nuke Dillon: “I’m afraid your understanding of the biology is a bit wrong. What gives adolescent girls their high mate value isn’t their supposedly high current fertility but rather their FUTURE fertility. An adolescent virgin still has the whole of her reproductive lifespan ahead of her and is capable of giving a man more offspring than an older women who has used up some of her breeding years.”
I am afraid you really don’t have a clue about either biology or breeding. As an ex-farmer, I had to make very rational choices about breeding. First, ideally, you breed only to a mature female. Breeding too early risks damaging future performance and more complications at birth. You don’t breed as soon as the female can be bred, you wait until its safe to do it. So you don’t put your young females around males until they are ready. What’s the point? Unless you wanna run into exactly what you don’t want, an unwanted pregnancy. It happened to me once with an heifer and it was a lot of worries. Also, a more mature animal is usually better at providing care to her offspring and that is as important than actually giving birth. Most baby animals need an extensive period of nurturing, so the “inner” qualities and the experience of the female are important. A proven animal is also better, because you know that it can deliver. So talking strictly in term of breeding, an healthy 25-35 years old woman who has already given birth to healthy children and is a nurturing parent would be the prime breeding choice. There is no bonus point for virginity and immaturity. Secondly, the genetic value of the animal remain constant over the lifespan of the animal. Old ewe, young ewe, if she has the qualities you want and she is fertile, you will breed it. The thing I observed with the ideal breeding female, and that is anecdotal, is that she is generally choosy about what she will breed to. I had a 15 yo cow literally driving a young bull into the ground. She was an exceptional cow genetically and that is why she was still living past her peak production years. She was also an excellent mother. Unwanted mating is usually rejected brutally, as it should be. Yup, the male gotta wait until he gets a resounding yes. Live cover is always an hairy business for that reason. None of the BS about males preferring young girls makes any rational sense. Actually, its kind of disgusting because they obviously have no concern for the well being of the woman and the potential children.
One of the quality that I used to look for was temperament . In short, I never bred asshole males because I never wanted to deal with their asshole offsprings. Most farmers don’t breed assholes if they can help it because a 700 lbs asshole boar, or a 1200 lb asshole bull is not something you want to deal with in the barn. That would be my advice to men in general: you want your chance at being a spouse and a father, don’t be an asshole.
Well looking through this thread the points I made were already bought up. Just want to add that the famous exceptions to the “even royals waited a while” rule tended to only have one or two kids and often died painfully young.
There was a documentary called Kangaroos: Face in the Mob, about a particular group of kangaroos. The difference between two maternal lines’ success was very notable: one line learned to be very attentive to their young, and were very successful breeders: the other didn’t, and … well, the last joey, one focussed on in the program, died. (Yes it’s a spoiler but seeing little Jaffa die is terribly sad.)
The documentary is available on dvd or online, I believe. It was made in 1992 and won an Emmy award.
Also David, where did you find the post image?
Gosh, well given I was thirty eight when my son was born it’s a wonder he didn’t come out covered in cobwebs!
@ pecunium
I’m sorry you really don’t understand the biology. What good are a woman’s fertile years if they lie in her past where they can’t be accessed any more? The best place for them to be is in the present where they can be accessed right away or in the future where they can be accessed at a later date.
Let’s just think this through logically and dispassionately. Every society in the world including primitive tribes out in the jungle have the institution of marriage. It’s not just some cultural invention as many people believe but it seems to be in our biology to form long term relationships. Now let’s imagine two men in prehistoric times who marry different partners. Man A chooses a woman about 30 who’s half way through her reproductive lifespan and man B chooses a 14 year old virgin with the whole of her reproductive lifespan ahead of her (the best estimate of the typical age of a prehistoric girl’s first pregnancy is about 17).
Man B can be expected to get twice as many offspring from his wife than man A. Even if he doesn’t live all the way to her menopause he can still be expected to get at least a few more offspring than man A. Over time men who prefer 14 yr olds over 30 yr olds will come to dominate in the population because they leave behind more descendants.
By the simple and very reasonable assumption that most reproduction in prehistoric times happened within marriages, we can mathematically infer that a male preference for young virgin girls will be common. Many people may not like this conclusion but this is simply where the logic leads and we have an obligation to follow it.
@ Isabelle
It depends. Were you breeding for quality or quantity?
If you’re going for quality the best females to use are those in their reproductive prime who will suffer less complications etc.
If you’re going for quantity it’s a bit more complicated. The younger they start breeding the longer their reproductive lifespan which means they can produce more young. But obviously only to a point. If they start too young the birth complications will negate the advantages of a longer reproductive lifespan and result in fewer surviving offspring overall. Somewhere there will be a balance point at which the advantages of a longer reproductive lifespan will be balanced by the disadvantages of starting the breeding at a young age.
In the case of our species this balance point looks to be about 17 because this is roughly the typical age girls in modern hunter-gatherer societies have their first pregnancy. Girls who start reproducing about 17 leave behind the most surviving offspring and have therefore come to dominate in these societies.
Thanks for sharing that Isabelle. Was very interesting.
I’m not sure why I let through those last couple of comments by Nuclear Z.
Dude, we understand your creepy argument. Now move on.
Zolnier, it’s from the cover of a comic book version of HG Wells’ Food of the Gods, which apparently features giant chickens. There are also movie posters with giant chickens.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hg+wells+food+of+the+gods+chicken&num=100&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=wrt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=K1VzU-GOHoSnyATKxILICA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1453&bih=592&dpr=0.9#imgdii=_
Also a friend pointed out to me that the boy in the picture is wearing spats, which seems highly impractical for farm work.
Actually, they’re probably gaiters. Spats being the purely decorative version and gaiters being practical. Gaiters are used in horseriding (though those are usually longer to protect the calf) but also to keep dirt out of your shoes and burrs off your socks. So they could be useful on a farm. A modern gaiter – http://hikinglady.com/the-gear/gaiters/
Why can’t he just admit he has a fetish for Asian children, and barely legal is the closest he can get?
Kim – gaiters are what I thought, too. They’re not very different from these German WWII ones.
http://www.caesarscoins.com/ba549-01.jpg
Nuclear, it doesn’t matter how many more kids a very young woman/ girl can potentially pop out if her ability to have. Healthy kids is compromised due to being too young/ not developed enough physically to handle a pregnancy. Lots of kids means nothing if those kids were to weak and sickly to survive to adulthood. You also realize that plenty of societies also prescribed spacing pregnancies out and having fewer children right? That many societies considered having a healthy mother more important than having a ton of children?
Also, can we NOT compare breeding cows to human pregnancy? And the part about not breeding assholes is particularly offensive to me as an abuse survivor. Abuse happens because an abuser likes to abuse, not because genes. And my daughter is not an asshole.
Re: The average age of marriage for peasants, the people actually doing the work, was about twenty eight
It was mid twenties for women in northern Europe, but still a bit younger than that in southern Europe. And younger for women than for men. Still not any lower than late teens though.
Nuclear, women in huntergatherer societies sometimes have earlier pregnancies, just like us. And just like us, those societies may not entirely approve because they understand the risks to mother and Child. Unlike us, many of those societies raise the children much more communally than we do, which helps to ensure survivability.