Jakeface — not his real name — is a “Game” blogger, pushing 40, and living in Vietnam. Or visiting there? I haven’t read enough of his blog to be able to figure that out. Given that the name of his blog is “cedonulli,” which seems to be a pretentious reference to the Latin phrase “cedo nulli” ( “I yield to none”), I probably won’t be reading all that much more.
But I do know he likes Vietnam, because he’s the sort of guy who enjoys joking about having sex with “girls … so barely legal … it’s not even funny,” and in Vietnam, he says, he’s not the only one who thinks that 24-year old women are “old as fuck.”
Did I mention he’s pushing 40 himself?
Anyway, not long ago, Jakeface offered readers of his blog his deep thoughts on the subject of age, and why women over the age of 19 are already starting to look elderly to him. [Link is mildly NSFW]
He starts off by noting sadly that even in Vietnam, he still runs into Western women in their 30s who for some strange reason think they aren’t old hags.
even nice western girls are under the influence of western default cultural context. so many ridiculously illogical retarded things leave their mouths, that you can’t help but praise the heavens that you found a cultural base that still has a concept of sustainable biological imperatives.
“i’m 35 now, i’ve got my education and my career, i’m ready to settle down and have babies. why can’t i find a good man?”
it’s so hard to be jake, sometimes.
Jake apparently hasn’t found the shift key on his keyboard yet.
But he can’t blame these Western gals, he says, for being “indoctrinated by western culture,” and “so it would be unfair, short sighted, dumb to make fun of miss-35 for waiting till after the closing bell to place her bid.”
Well, just so long as Miss 35 doesn’t try to get her wrinkled claws into him:
when the same miss-35 makes some eyeballs your way though, and says “i think you’re attractive”, then things get a bit creepier.
Dude, if you’re going to write fiction, at least try to make the dialogue sound vaguely realistic.
Anyway, Jake informs us that this eyeball-making elderly lady of 35 with the world’s least creative pickup line is
like the homeless man wandering into the bentley dealer, making moves to go sit in the new continental gt. a clear case of a completely non-reality based self image. a delusion, painful to those who may have to be part of a conflicting reality. i totally get how 19 year old girls must feel, when the 65 year old liver-spotted shaking hands of the australian tourist reach for her thigh.
Yes, that’s right: when a 35-year-old woman hits on a man her age or even slightly older, she is like a 65-year-old man pawing the thighs of a 19-year-old girl.
That’s PUA math for you.
Actually, that’s the math that PUAs try to sell to their readers, and to themselves.
In reality the math that really counts for Western expats like Jakeface has to do with exploiting their relative wealth in countries where a sufficient number of women are poor enough that putting up with a PUA and his bullshit isn’t the worst option they have. In Vietnam, per capita income is a little over $1,100 (American). Per capita income in the US? About $43,000. That’s the real expat PUA math.
Anyway, Jakeface continues with his rant:
24 is super crazy, crazy old. for a girl.
17. 19. past that, if we’re going to get all about babies, is pretty sketchy.
Yeah, he really said that. Does he even believe it? Who knows? The average age for first births in the United States is 26; in the UK, it’s 30. The risks of pregnancy and giving birth over the age of 35 have been greatly exaggerated, and the vast majority of babies born to women later in life are perfectly healthy. Even if he doesn’t know any women his age who’ve had children,you might think he would have noticed the small army of female celebrities in their forties who’ve been popping out babies without either them or the babies exploding.
But Jakeface isn’t basing his conclusions here on a close reading of the medical literature, or even People magazine. Nope, as he makes clear, his opinions are coming straight from his dick and his “barely legal” obsessed brain.
who cares about what which culture says about it. that’s what my brain, freed from all the media propaganda, is finding attractive. at 24, you can already start to imagine what she’ll look like in 10 years. the outlines are set. the fantasy of youth eternal is already shattered.
24 is old-holy-fuck-you’re-countess-dracula, tell me about how life was in the 16th century.
Again, Jakeface by his own admission is almost 40.
in vietnam, that sort of age awareness seems to be the consensus, still. which makes vietnam ok in my book. it makes me think about applying for vietnamese citizenship. i want to be part of a culture that shares my innate values. a 35 year old vietnamese woman wouldn’t go “heeeey, soooo, how about some babies?” it’d be considered unfathomably rude, suggesting that my value wouldn’t allow me the choice of a 19 year old instead, that my fridge is only good for milk a solid week and a half past its expiration date.
Dude, you only have this “value” in countries where a good portion of the women don’t have good options. And you know it. That’s why you’re in a country with a per capita income that is literally 1/38th that of the United States.
and this isn’t personal, as in if you read this and you’re a 35 year old woman, i’m not making fun. i’m only talking about biological reality, and my own mating preferences. which also, mating preferences of any man with the option, and in his right mind.
Really? George Clooney, formerly the world’s most eligible bachelor, just got engaged to a 36-year-old.
it could still happen. jake might have some asian babies with a few 24 year old girls. there are two current contenders, which i’m hoping to replace with some 17 year olds, before some heat-of-the-moment questionable decisions.
it’s hard to take a step back, when you’re in the pet shop, surrounded by puppies.
For the sake of all that is good in this world, dude, do not breed. Do not saddle some poor Vietnamese teenager with your spawn.
Whereas an adolescent who’s not a virgin has no reproductive value at all, because clearly she’s infertile. Right?
Does evo-psych rot the part of the brain responsible for logic or are people who hate logic just naturally drawn to evo-psych theories? Discuss.
One time I actually had to argue with my ultraconservative uncle on Facebook about why impregnating children is sexual and reproductive abuse – I brought up things such as fistulas, high risk of death, etc. and all he said is that such symptoms can be avoided through proper medical care. And he walked away from the argument still believing that “having sex” with little girls is totally okay. That made me want to vomit.
@Ally
Oh, ew. Sorry to hear you have an uncle like that 🙁
Given how overpopulated this planet is, “more offspring” is really not a good argument anymore — not that it really was one, ever, seeing as it killed women on a regular basis in the Bad Old Days. With proper sanitation, vaccination and nutrition, children actually stand a good chance of making it to adulthood in most countries, so “more offspring” is neither desirable nor necessary for basic survival anymore. And the fact that women are putting off childbearing longer and longer in developed nations reflects this fact. Women are living longer, and childbearing is no longer their sole purpose in life, so there’s really no good reason at all to go on churning ’em out. For many, like me, it’s not even a purpose in life at all!
Of course, being the oldest of six kids from a woman who was far from adolescent when she had me, I might be just that wee bit prejudiced, and my eye just that wee bit jaundiced toward this whole shit-stupid “breeding” argument. We are not fucking cattle, you know.
“Proper medical care”, in this case, is prevention only. No sex with immature girls, in other words. I think I’ll join you in the vomitorium. There is simply no good reason for this kind of thing, anywhere, ever.
Also, unless you want 15 kids, starting in your early twenties isn’t necessary–and teens definitely isn’t necessary. The average woman could easily have four kids starting in her late twenties with 2 year spacing–though the average woman doesn’t seem to want four kids. My mom had my sister and I when she was 32 and 35. If she’s infertile then, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was infertile when younger, too.
Also, the health of infants and children is highly correlated to correct nutrition and good health care, which are easier to get in first-world countries and by mothers with money, who are usually older–so if all he wanted was a few kids with the greatest chance of health, he should go for mid to late twenties women in first-world nations, not dirt-poor teenagers in poor nations. (Because lets face it: he isn’t sleeping with the ones with other options.)
Here’s something for the March of Dimes showing that infant mortality goes down until a woman’s forties, when it is still less than that of teenagers: https://www.marchofdimes.com/peristats/ViewSubtopic.aspx?reg=99&top=6&stop=93&lev=1&slev=1&obj=1
And older men have reproductive issues, too–they don’t go through menopause, but their chromosomes aren’t getting any younger.
Bina – ooh, yes, EBB! I’ve a bio of her on my Kobo; I’m looking forward to reading it.
That whole “high reproductive value/fertility” thing is such shit. Someone can have all those alleged fertility markers and still be – gasp – infertile! You don’t really know if someone can reproduce till they have, unless they are medically tested or, say, a woman’s never menstruated (I’m guessing here, can’t you tell?) and somehow I don’t think PUAs think further than “gives me a boner = fertile”. Though why they care, since they don’t want to be fathers anyway …
dustydeste – fashion conversation! Yay! ::gets comfortable::
Gods yes. They can look fantastic but so, so uncomfortable. I’m convinced the reason Mr K never wears high necklines – and we’re just talking knitwear here – is ‘cos he had quite enough of them in his earthly days. Even when the ruffs gave way to falling bands, the doublet collars were still high and stiff, right up under the chin (something costume departments in film and TV get wrong every. single. time).
Still, I adore the fashions of the 1630s. Just so gorgeous (and I’m not talking about Van Dyck’s extremely simplified, ‘classicised’ images, but the actual, complex, heavy clothing). Like this one from the Metropolitan Museum – AAAAAHHHHHH it’s so beautiful it’s to die for!
I like the mid-late 15th century too – used to be a huge Richard III fan (isn’t the portrait they made based on his skull beautiful?)
Good point; I was wondering if people were responding too widely, so to speak, but yes, rap-is-this-or-that does have a seriously bad history.
Anyone who is actually advocating having sex with children is beyond the point of rational discussion, methinks.
RE: Michelle C Young
I read that linked article, and am shocked. Really, I never knew anything about the behind-the-scenes nature of the classical music world.
YUP. And I’m pretty sure racism is also partly why we don’t HEAR about that. Because classical music folks are considered to be Cultured White People who would NEVER do such a thing.
RE: cassandrakitty
You never heard Massive Attack?
My musical exposure is really spotty, so I’ve never heard of ’em, sorry.
Even Phoenician’s nym has that “look at me, being all contrarian, I am so much more clever than the rest of you sheeple” feel to it. Still not feeling bad about brushing him off like an irritating little fly, sorry.
@ LBT
Also, generational difference, plus cultural difference.
It’s funny, almost everyone that the cishet community think is an LGBT hero is generally regarded with more than a little distaste in the non-cis-white-monosexual-male portions of that community (and by plenty of cis-white-monosexual-males too).
Dan Savage? Has said some absolutely outrageous sh!t about bi people, trans people, ace people, fat people, and rape victims. He’s gotten better in recent years, but refuses to own up to his past mistakes and still puts his foot in his mouth far too often.
Macklemore? Seen as appropriative of the experiences of LGBT people and of black culture (I’m less qualified to say whether that’s true than I am of Savage because of disinterest)
Andrew Marin (i.e.the guy who holds up the “We’re sorry for how we’ve treated you” signs at gay pride events)? Actually still thinks same-sex sexual relationships are sinful. Just hides it really well.
@weirwoodtreehugger – Thanks for introducing me to Bis. I liked the first one best, although it is a bit of a dichotomy, having such a happy, bouncy tune with words about being abused.
I’ll have to find more of their music.
Also, what seems to increase most as people age is “infertility”–which just means trouble conceiving. If a couple only wants one or two children, infertility is usually not a huge barrier.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14704244
Also, when I’m poking around, it seems like most of the data on infertility and age is about couple’s infertility and the woman’s age–which seems like a huge oversight, since men also experience infertility in general and decreased fertility in age, and at least in the US, men are on average older than their female partners. So maybe that 35 year old woman should start looking at twenty-something men if she wants a baby 🙂
I agree. That’s why that awful argument I had with my uncle was the last argument I ever had with him.
@katz: “What you’re saying is you’d like to marry a newborn baby.”
ROFL! Best come-back EVAR!
RE: Leum
It’s funny, almost everyone that the cishet community think is an LGBT hero is generally regarded with more than a little distaste in the non-cis-white-monosexual-male portions of that community (and by plenty of cis-white-monosexual-males too).
Yyyyyup. The old joke is that it’s not LGBT. It’s LG (b) …t? I’m jaded just because godDAMN, I have trouble even fitting into my local trans circle because I’m queer, disabled, and poor! I am INCREDIBLY unimpressed by a lot of what straight folks consider gay icons.
Eh, it’s no biggie as far as I’m concerned. The slippery slope argument (was that him? The CRS is playing up today) was more worrying to me than the music debate.
Good to hear he’s getting better, but Great Ceiling Cat, I can’t stand that guy.
But wordspinner, we can’t suggest that if a woman is having a hard time getting pregnant the cause might lie with her partner rather than with her. That might make him feel bad! About his penis, or his testicles! Flat out telling her that’s she’s inadequate, broken, or whatever is fine, but potentially making him feel a little insecure is a crime so horrible that we should revise the Geneva Conventions just to make sure it’s included.
My cat Darrow who is a grey tabby has a fluffy white splotch on his neck. From some angles it looks like he has a ruff made of fur. It’s so cute.
I think I’ve mentioned this here before, but another myth that needs to die in a fire is girls marrying in adolescence in medieval Europe. The average woman married in her early twenties. People trot this myth out a lot as a justification for pursuing teen girls. NOPE!
Yup…they’re just stretching to justify their ickitude. Truth is, though, most teenage girls are wise to their “game” even if they’ve never read a word on the subject. Getting hit on by not-as-attractive-as-they-think-they-are older men tends to have that effect on one.
And yeah, I’d love to see one of these guys hit on a 46XY with androgen-insensitivity syndrome, only to be told they’ve hit on an intersexed woman with “male” chromosomes. The look on their faces alone would be worth the price of admission, methinks. AIS women have all the stereotypical boner-making feminine “fertility” markers (lush hair, breasts, hips etc.), but they only have an abbreviated vaginal pouch, no ovaries, no uterus, no menstrual periods…in short, no baby carriage. Trying to hit on one of them when you’re looking to scatter your seed far and wide is literally a trip up a (very short) blind alley.
My favorite variation on that is Glsomeothernotveryimportantletters
I can go on a lot about the mid-latter 16th century (esp. England: actually I can go on about England from Rome to the Present, with various levels of detail). One of the more interesting things is life-expectancy. It went up post Black Death (worldwide, actually).
@kittehs:
Ooooh, that doublet, though! It’s like the boy version of this bodice! <3 <3 <3 And yeah, I'm totally with you; the 1600s had some awesome clothes… but I mostly look at stuff with a mind towards recreating the fashion, and by then things have gotten waaaay too complicated for me to deal with, haha. Plus the society I play with has a cutoff date of about 1600, so there's not much incentive for me to be as familiar after that point.
I actually don't know that Richard III portrait at all – I tend to completely neglect English fashion in favor of mainly French/Italian (I'm interested in Savoy, specifically, but it's a bit of a butt to find anything), partially because I find English dress to be really overdone. Just not my thing, I suppose!
I'm thinking of doing up a doublet for myself at some point for fencing in (I'm awful, but it's fun!) – I was thinking maybe something along these lines, although I’m quite partial to this one as well. I’ll have to work on my tailoring, though; it’s one thing to figure out how to fit my boobs into dresses – I think a doublet may be a bit more of a challenge! 🙂
History game? My focus is late 1700’s and early 1800’s in England, because I’m such a Jane Austen fan.
So, the average life-span was short, indeed, because of infant mortality, combined with women dying in childbirth, or more likely, from postpartum infections. However, “three-score and ten” was the generally accepted “biblical” life-span given to men.
“Oh, your grandfather is dying? I’m sorry for it. But he’s had his three-score and ten.”
However, add to that the short life-spans of soldiers, and the average plummets for them, as well. There were a lot more widows and spinsters back then than anyone wanted to admit, thanks to the wars.
So, between war and childbirth, plus infant mortality, the average lifespan was quite short compared to todays. BUT, if you lived to adulthood and did not go to war, you were fully expected to live to 70 or slightly beyond.
Another thing – although girls fifteen years old were allowed to marry (without their guardian’s consent in Scotland, hence the number of elopements to Gretna Green), it was still not encouraged. Most women were encouraged to wait until they were old enough to be considered fully grown. Granted, once they were old enough to have their come-out, it was considered best to marry off quickly. A woman who went to London for the Season and got married in her first Season was a success. One who had to go three or four times before she found a husband was deemed something of a failure.
Did I mention before how many men had been killed in the wars, and the unbalanced numbers among singles? Yeah, that would explain a lot of those May-December marriages, where a young woman of 22 would marry a man of 50 with six children. And he probably hoped she would NOT have more children, because he had to support them all.
Gentlemen of the •bon ton• always supported their “by-blows,” which is what they called illegitimate children. Any man who abandoned his lover, and failed to provide for his progeny, was black-listed. These are the high-society men, the type that the PUAs think they’d like to be.
Also, for quite a bit of history, the males wore far more fripperies than the women. They’re rather like peacocks, in that respect. Peahens are plain, but the cocks try hard to impress them. In fact, it was not until Beau Brummel made popular the plain black costume of the Dandy that women started to outshine men in fashion.
Also, I am really starting to hate auto-correct. How do you turn it off?