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Vox Day: Honor mothers. Yes, they're women, but without them the "Western sub-species" of Man would go extinct.

Mothers: Yes, they're women, but they sometimes give birth to boys.
Mothers: Women, yes, but without them we’d have no babies.

Happy Mothers’ Day! In honor of this special day let me share the sweet sentiments of the mother-loving Vox Day, who took time out of his busy schedule of woman-hating to write a post urging his readers to “Honor the Mothers” of the world. Or at least the non-feminist mothers of the “Western sub-species” of the human race.

Vox starts out his paean to motherhood by noting that women are mostly shitty and need to be constantly reminded of their shittiness by right-thinking fellows like him:

We are, quite rightly, very often hard on women here at Alpha Game. We need to be, because they spend most of their lives having smoke blown up their pretty little asses by people of both sexes and all ages who want to curry favor with them.

Oh, but even though women are terrible, don’t give in to the temptation of misogyny!

But never be tempted into misogyny by the bad behavior of one, one hundred, one thousand, or even one million women. They are the fate of the human race. They are the fate of the Western sub-species. They matter.

Take the day to honor the mothers of our sub-species. Well, some of them.

So, honor those who reject the nihilistic hedonism of feminism despite being literally inundated with its dogma from their earliest years and fulfill their primary destiny, that of motherhood. Whether she fulfills it gracefully and well or grudgingly and incompetently, she has done her duty. Respect that she has played her part in the miracle of life, honor her for doing her part in turning back the dark void of universal entropy.

It’s not nothing. It’s not a minor thing. Without women, there is no Man.

So even if you hate women, you need to remember that they serve a useful role as incubators of future men!

Happy Mother’s Day.

And a happy mother’s day to you too, you racist, misogynistic piece of poop.

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weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

It’s useless to try and rank the prominent residents of the manosphere from worse to worstest because they’re all so horrible.

Still, I think VD might just be the most contemptible of all.

Western sub-species? No. Just no. Don’t lump my white ass in with yourself VD. We have nothing in common but white skin. You’re just your own special sub-species of racist, misogynist trouser stain. Have a seat. Put on your dunce cap and never open your mouth or touch a keyboard ever again.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

I am more than willing to agree that Vox and his buddies are an unfortunate sub-species of human. Can we just refer to them as Morlocks from now on?

kittehserf
6 years ago

Lady Mondegreen – maddening, innit? Though the schedule was pretty tight; the only socialising I did there was lunch with cloudiah and my bff the day I had to fly home. The rest of that week was spent in Chicago.

Skye
Skye
6 years ago

Of all the things I hope for my children, I really hope they become caring, thoughful, empathetic, good people. I would be devastated if they ever said/felt/believed this misogynistic tripe.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Why didn’t anyone tell me there was a nihilistic hedonistic branch of feminism?

Because it’s only for the Furrinati.

bbeaty
bbeaty
6 years ago

Not only did I pick the wrong branch of feminism, I picked the wrong species.

Ah well. At least I am allowed to serve.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

One of my best friends (husband and I call her my sister in law) had very bad luck in mothers. The one time I met her, she reminded me of the description of Lady Bracknell in “The Importance of Being Earnest” – a monster without being mythical. My sister in law has dedicated her life as a mother to being different from her own mother, and has been doing a splendid job for the last thirteen years. She has my respect and admiration.

Theodore Beale has my unbridled contempt.

kittehserf
6 years ago

Not only did I pick the wrong branch of feminism, I picked the wrong species.

Ah well. At least I am allowed to serve.

It is all any of us mere humans can hope for.

John Beattie
6 years ago

@LBT: The comic you’re thinking of is XXXenophile by Phil Foglio. It was God and the Devil. God tricked the Devil into tempting them into more and more kinky acts (since, after all, the antichrist’s parents wouldn’t be into vanilla sex). Oral, anal, various other things… But no vaginal, so no antichrist.

dustedeste
dustedeste
6 years ago

@Lady Mondegreen

Yep, those Victorians got up to some weird hijiinks with their cameras! All told, though, I honestly find the hidden mother pictures stranger and more disturbing than the dead people pictures. I understand the desire to have a memento of someone who’s passed, and, frankly, dead people were really good at posing for pics – no breathing, no blinking, no fidgets – just makes more sense to me. Other than moving mouth issues, which, again, I’m not even sure were definitively the reason for having Mom under a blanket, it’s just really alien to me.

katz
6 years ago

I understand about the long exposures. The thing I don’t understand is why it would be a bad thing to have a picture with the mother simply holding the child, without a cloth over her head. It’s not like in any of the “hidden mother” pictures I’ve seen you can’t tell there’s a person there.

I’ve heard two possible reasons. Kim mentioned one (that it might be someone you don’t want immortalized in your family photos). The other is that the photographer might charge per sitter and that some families might not be able to afford an extra person, since they might already have a photo of the parents and just be springing for a photo of the children.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

@dustedeste

I guess both kinds make sense if you think about the fact that photography was a new medium (at least newly available to the average person). As the Wiki article says, in a time when death, especially infant and child death, was sadly common, the post-mortem photos may have been the only photographs people had of those they’d loved and lost.

Though the hidden-mother pictures look silly now, if you wanted a picture of your little one(s) and were faced with the problem of how to keep them still for the time it took to get a decent exposure, that was a resourceful solution….

@cassandrakitty (and everyone–if you like ghost stories, don’t miss this gem!):

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

Well that was… yuck. Happy Mother’s Day, moms!

2-D Man's Rights Activist
2-D Man's Rights Activist
6 years ago

lol! My mom is pro-choice too. She’s had three kids and as many abortions plus two miscarriages. And what?

YOUR MOM IS THE END OF CIVI.

Lady Mondegreen
6 years ago

So, honor those who reject the nihilistic hedonism of feminism…

Wait, he’s into “Game” and he’s on a moral high horse because he thinks feminism is hedonistic….!?

lol. I point and laugh and fart in his general direction. 😀

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

The PUA mindset makes Nietzsche seem like a fountain of loving positivity in comparison, so it’s pretty damn funny that they’re calling feminism nihilistic.

Kevin
6 years ago

My mom had me, then had an abortion (in 1967), then had my brother. I guess he shouldn’t exist either.

kittehserf
6 years ago

YOUR MOM IS THE END OF CIVI.

LOL!

The PUA mindset makes Nietzsche seem like a fountain of loving positivity in comparison, so it’s pretty damn funny that they’re calling feminism nihilistic.

Okay, I have to post this Dead Philosophers page now.

armondikov
6 years ago

So Vox’s hyper-intellectual argument seems to be “women are terrible, but they help us reproduce so don’t piss them off *too* much”?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Alex:

We are all homo sapiens sapiens! The so-called “races” are at best different breeds, and really more like varieties, like colour morphs or something.

I understand that while human “races” aren’t different enough to qualify as subspecies, they also aren’t distinct enough to be equated with botanical varieties. (Zoology doesn’t officially recognize any taxon below subspecies level anyway. “Breed” isn’t a taxonomical term and it only applies to domestic animals and plants.)

Anthropological concept of race used to be something akin to botanical variety, but it’s probably been scrapped already except by some diehards.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

I always wondered how someone can accidentally bork their blockquotes that way, and I’m still not sure what happened.

Does it work like this, when you swap the places of begin and stop quoting tags?

Or does it happen spontaneously in WordPress?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

bbeaty:

No, who am I kidding. I’d still be boring and responsible.

Specifically, you’d be boringly rigorous in your nihilism and dutifully responsible in your hedonism.

Like, figuring that the choice of anal vs. PIV sex doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme of your contraception plan, because you’d want to use a condom in either case.

bluecat
bluecat
6 years ago

Scary pictures! But entirely appropriate for the topic – those women have fulfilled their function in breeding: they don’t need faces.

Hope everyone who celebrated Mother’s Day on Sunday had a great time.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

They are the fate of the Western sub-species.

Homo eastwoodus (Marlboro Man): adept at tool-using, but not known for living in groups.

I’ll pass on perpetuating that, thanks. Too leathery and violent.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Homo non-sapiens, in the case of Mr. Beale.

And really, anyone who thinks abortion is a mark of “hedonism” has obviously never seen the entire maternity wards full of dying women that there used to be before abortion was legalized. There was nothing “hedonistic” about those. Women got ripped off and in many cases killed by back-alley butchers taking advantage of anti-abortion laws. Doctors who worked those wards were actually relieved when the laws changed, because those dying women stopped arriving virtually overnight. They could finally dedicate maternity wards to, you know, MATERNITY again.

And this bozo also forgets that a lot of women who have abortions before they marry, later go on to be mothers several times over. If they’re not already married and pretty much done having kids but can’t afford proper birth control on the regular, that is.

If you can get your hands on a copy of Ursula Le Guin’s essay, “The Princess”, you’ll see what I mean by going on to have kids later. She had an abortion in her college days after a relationship fell apart, and says that if she’d been forced to go through with that pregnancy, she probably would not have gone on to marry her husband, or have the three kids they had together. A mistimed birth has blighted many a woman’s life, but I guess these assholes couldn’t be bothered to think of THAT.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Apropos hidden mother photos, this might be of interest. It was a strategy to keep the baby still while photographing to make it look like the child was alone on a draped fabric background. Babies are notoriously wiggly, and the length of the exposure time was a serious consideration back then.

Nitram
Nitram
6 years ago

“I understand about the long exposures. The thing I don’t understand is why it would be a bad thing to have a picture with the mother simply holding the child, without a cloth over her head. It’s not like in any of the “hidden mother” pictures I’ve seen you can’t tell there’s a person there.”

David forgive me if someone already answered this but I think it’s because often times baby was being held by the nanny.

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

Without women, there is no Man.

Yep; that’s the only way we can impart any value to those women, by associating them with those beings of value, the men. Men are people; women are just, y’know, necessary to get more men.

Men, Men, Men, dammit!

I feel like I need to bathe to bleach to get the stink of Vox’ thinking off me.

Rea
Rea
6 years ago

But never be tempted into misogyny by the bad behavior of … women… They matter… It is not nothing. It’s not a minor thing. Without women, there is no Man.

A similar argument: “Let’s not hate Vox for his behavior. He may be a stinking piece of poop, but poop is good fertilizer. The earth needs to be fertilized.”
Would you be convinced, from the above argument, that the arguer does not hate Vox?

I wonder what it takes to clear the “yep, this really is misogyny” barrier in his mind? If throwing acid at someone isn’t hardcore enough then I’m guessing maybe murder is the only thing that qualifies.

Considering what Vox said of Malala Yousafzai, murder will probably not qualify. But I think he believes himself when he says he is no mysogynist. Almost everyone on this planet – abusers, murderers and rapists included – think of themselves as good people. Hate for half of humanity is not good, so he would think of himself, I guess, as “realistic” or something like that.

He’s warning his readers not to “fall into misogyny” or whatever though, so what, in his twisted little mess of a mind, is misogyny?

If I had to take a wild guess, he’d probably say that gays are misogynist. As long as he wants sex (consensual or not) with women, he can still be said, in his mind, to “love” women.

Without women, there is no Man.

Did the rest of you notice that Man was written with a capital “M”?

The PUA mindset makes Nietzsche seem like a fountain of loving positivity in comparison, so it’s pretty damn funny that they’re calling feminism nihilistic.

Amen.

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

I’m confused. I know it’s Vox Day, and clarity isn’t his strong suit. Or logic. Or basic human decency. But anyway, first he says:

So, honor those who reject the nihilistic hedonism of feminism despite being literally inundated with its dogma from their earliest years and fulfill their primary destiny, that of motherhood.

So, honor mothers who aren’t feminists. But, then he says:

Whether she fulfills it gracefully and well or grudgingly and incompetently, she has done her duty. Respect that she has played her part in the miracle of life, honor her for doing her part in turning back the dark void of universal entropy.

So, honor mothers no matter what they do or who they are, because they’ve done the only useful thing a woman can do, produce a baby or two. Because women aren’t people, and it doesn’t matter to the children how good a mother their mother is. Because this is Vox Day, lacking in logic and basic human decency.

So, are we suppose to honor feminist mothers or not? From one sentence to the next, within the same paragraph, he’s contradicting himself. Honor the mothers who rejected feminism, but honor all mothers because it doesn’t matter what they do or what they think because they’ve fulfilled their primary duty by reproducing?

Or does he actually believe that feminism makes it impossible for women to be mothers?

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

Totally, vitally important non-derailing question!

And a happy mother’s day to you too, you racist, misogynistic piece of poop.

Is it better to use “poop” or “poo”? “Poop” is certainly correct, but somehow “poo” is both excretory and silly, and so seems to carry a double sting, as you are insulting someone but being lighthearted and even a bit whimsical, adding the extra sting of not taking someone too seriously.

And hello manb… I mean Mammotheers! I’ve been missing you all.

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

From one sentence to the next, within the same paragraph, he’s contradicting himself.

It’s almost a truism about these guys. No, scratch that, it IS a truism.

They’re not coming up with these ideas because they’ve reasoned them out from principles. The conclusion came first, and all the supporting sentences were slapped in on the basis of kinda sorta fitting there.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

Considering what Vox said of Malala Yousafzai, murder will probably not qualify [as misogyny].

In the minds of people like Vox, Malala wasn’t shot because she was a girl. She was shot because she was doing something she shouldn’t have been doing (getting an education while female). Thus, it wasn’t misogyny.

Whether she fulfills it gracefully and well or grudgingly and incompetently, she has done her duty. Respect that she has played her part in the miracle of life, honor her for doing her part in turning back the dark void of universal entropy.

So, no more digs at single mothers? They’ve done their duty, after all.

gillyrosebee
6 years ago

I am more than willing to agree that Vox and his buddies are an unfortunate sub-species of human. Can we just refer to them as Morlocks from now on?

Mralocks?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

MRAssholes.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: seraph4377 (how appropriate) and John Beattie

That’s it, Xxxenophile! My hubby owns practically the whole run, so yeah, that’s where it came from. Thanks for the reminder.

RE: dustedeste

and, frankly, dead people were really good at posing for pics

*SNRK*

banshee
banshee
6 years ago

It’s a day late, but I hope all the mommas out there had a happy Mothers Day.

Elizabeth Mancz
Elizabeth Mancz
6 years ago

Over on Alpha Game, Mr.Beale wrote a post in which he argues that “good” Christians should ostracize women who have had abortions — in particular, men should not have any kind of a relationship with such a woman. He does indeed value women only for their ability and willingness to bear children.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Or does he actually believe that feminism makes it impossible for women to be mothers?

Of course it’s impossible! Didn’t you know that feminists love getting abortions whenever they can? There’s no possible way a feminist would ever carry a pregnancy to term!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

Why is a married man even writing about “game”? That doesn’t seem very Christian-y moral of him.

contrapangloss
6 years ago

@ Elizabeth,

By Mr. Beale’s logic, my entire family line (including a missionary, a WW2 medic, and a baptist preacher-man, among others) shouldn’t exist.

My great-great grandmother had a late term abortion of her very first pregnancy, on the recommendation of her doctor and with the full support of her husband. If she hadn’t done that, she would have died in childbirth.

Then, she never would have been able to have my great-grandpa and his siblings, and my grandpa wouldn’t exist, and so on. There are a lot of cool people in that lineage.

Great-great grandpa n’ grandma, you two did good.

Rea
Rea
6 years ago

Over on Alpha Game, Mr.Beale wrote a post in which he argues that “good” Christians should ostracize women who have had abortions — in particular, men should not have any kind of a relationship with such a woman.

That is not Christian-y either. Jesus is big on forgiveness and restoration, forgetting the past and “if anyone is in Christ, that person is a new creation The old has gone, the new has come – 2 Cor 5:17”.

But if I start making a list of non-Christian-y things Vox said, I’ll be busy for a long time…

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

It always seems odd to me how many American Christians are all about the Old Testament smiting and not so much into the whole Jesus-y love and redemption part.

samantha
samantha
6 years ago

Well,thanks Mr. Vox Day. And, as a mother myself, may I say how very sorry I am that your mother did not have that post-partum abortion that I am sure she now regrets.

Yutz.

Scott Hamilton
Scott Hamilton
6 years ago

So where did he post this screed? It doesn’t seem to be on Vox Popoli. Does he have another blog?

sleepypixie
sleepypixie
6 years ago

I’m really not sure what the western sub-species is, but I’m pretty sure I don’t quality. Does that mean I shouldn’t be a mother, or just that I shouldn’t be honored for being a mother? What if I’m an eastern sub-species? Does that mean I should be grateful that some neo-colonial d-canoe deigns to treat me as a fetish? (Interesting, the word fetish is usually used in reference to objects, not people, but it’s commonly used to refer to a non-Asian attraction to Asian women. Possibly because in such an instance, we are essentially the bit of chinoiserie on the the mantle—one presumed able to fix sandwiches.)

What if (ugh, ick, blergh) as the result of that pairing, I happen to produce a child? Does s’he belong to the western sub-species? Or the eastern sub-species (if such a thing exists)? Should s’he be strangled at birth? What happens?

So many questions…

tealily
tealily
6 years ago

I’m sick of their yapping about abortion, period. I’m over 50 and do not know one woman who had one without her partner or husband knowing about it and agreeing to it. If anything, I know many more women who had their boyfriends or husbands practically demand it. Sorry, but there are way too many pregnant women abandoned after being “pumped and dumped” for the MRA tales on the subject to be believed by any reasonable person. I’m sure some women have done it , but I don’t believe for a minute it’s anything but a low number.

@cassandrakitty

A large number of those “Christians” are nothing but hypocrites. They only “care” about children before they are born. After that, they can starve to death and have no healthcare as far as they’re concerned. Basically, they are just concerned about forcing women to give birth.

Shaenon
6 years ago

Over on Alpha Game, Mr.Beale wrote a post in which he argues that “good” Christians should ostracize women who have had abortions — in particular, men should not have any kind of a relationship with such a woman.

Meh, I’m sure they don’t want to hang out with him either.

What about mothers who have daughters? Are they honorable, or should they be ashamed of themselves for bringing more cootie-ridden girls into the world?

kittehserf
6 years ago

How are these *cough* Christian *cough* chaps supposed to know if a woman’s had an abortion, if she doesn’t tell them? Have they acquired telepathic powers or do all the women they encounter have to answer a quiz?

Actually it could work quite well if they do “ostracize” women who’ve had abortions – it could mean these dudes never leave their basements.

bluecat
bluecat
6 years ago

Can we have lapel badges?

Something along the lines of “Ostracize this, you misbegotten dogs’ anuses”?

On the other hand, they’d have to honour it.