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W.F. Price of The Spearhead accuses me of supporting violence against women … by opposing violence against women

W.F. Price (not pictured) believes the best way to prevent domestic violence is to put men in charge of households, and to keep police out
W.F. Price (not pictured) believes the best way to prevent domestic violence is to put men in charge of households, and to keep police out

W. F. Price of The Spearhead isn’t very happy about my recent suggestion that the Men’s Rights movement encourages abusive ways of thinking towards women. It’s a strange claim for him to make, coming as it is from a guy who presides over one of the most notorious outposts of vicious, virulent misogyny in the Men’s Rights universe. Even stranger is his claim that by opposing violence against women and children I am therefore … supporting policies that lead to more violence against women and children.

It’s going to take a little while to work our way through his convoluted argument. So let’s start at the beginning. Here’s the quote of mine he objects to, from my post the other day about Lundy Bancroft:

[T]he more experience I’ve had with MRAs, the more I’ve begun to see the Men’s Rights Movement not only as an “abusers’ lobby” but as an abusers’ support group, and an abusive force in its own right, promoting forms of “activism” that are little more than semi-organized stalking and harassment of individual women.

It’s not that every MRA is literally a domestic abuser, though I wouldn’t be shocked to find domestic abusers seriously overrepresented in the Men’s Rights ranks; it’s that the Men’s Rights movement promotes abusive ways of thinking and behaving.

This, to Price, is “a calculated slur designed to play to base emotions, and even worse, it’s a damned lie.”

Accusing me of “demonizing fathers,” he argues that the “anti-family policy” he claims I promote “leads to highly elevated rates of domestic violence, rape and child abuse.” He’s especially incensed that I said positive things about Bancroft, who’s an advocate for abused women and (gasp!) actually has a page on his website linking to resources for divorced and divorcing women.

Apparently encouraging women who are being abused to get themselves and their children away from their abusive partner is a terrible, terrible thing in Price’s world.

Futrelle suggests that men who promote patriarchal values, i.e. pro-family values, are more likely to be abusers. But this is not borne out by statistics. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Single mothers are most likely to be battered by sex partners who are not their children’s father, and fatherless children most likely to be murdered, raped and abused.

Yet somehow, fathers’ rights advocates are suspicious, scary people.

David, do you really hate children that much? Do you want to see more women beaten? More children raped and murdered? If so, by all means, support people like Lundy Bancroft, who profit from advocating dissolution resources. Lundy Bancroft is a member in good standing of the divorce industrial complex. He literally lives off misery and destruction of families. I don’t see how anyone could claim to advocate the safety of women and children while promoting a self-interested, home-wrecking charlatan like Bancroft.

It is immoral, it is evil, and it hurts innocent people. How, David, can you defend that?

Woah, calm down there, fella!

Very little of Price’s rant has anything to do with anything I actually wrote. I said nothing in my post about the Men’s Rights movement promoting patriarchal or “pro-family” values. Fact is, while some more traditional MRAs do advocate patriarchy, you’re far more likely to run across MRAs denouncing marriage as a deadly trap and demanding the supposed right of “legal paternal surrender” – that is, the right for fathers to abandon all financial responsibilities towards children they don’t want.

I also said nothing about divorce, though, yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s a good idea when you’re married to an abuser. And it’s a good idea a lot of other times. While divorce is almost always painful to everyone involved, I don’t know a lot of divorced people who actually regret their decision to divorce.

That said, if Price thinks that patriarchal “pro-family” values are somehow a magical deterrent to divorce, he’s simply wrong. In fact, divorce rates are considerably higher in the Red State south than in the Blue State Northeast, in part because an excess of “family values” in the South means that couples are pressured to marry young, and people who marry young are the most likely to divorce.

You’d think Price would know that patriarchal values aren’t an antidote to divorce; after all, he’s as patriarchal as they come, and he’s on his second marriage.

In any case, what I did say, and have said, about the Men’s Rights movement is that it promotes misogynistic, hateful, and abusive thinking about women. For countless examples of this one need look no further than Price’s own blog.

Indeed, in the comments to this very post of his, several Spearheaders lash out against women with crude, misogynistic insults.

Verve announces that he’s Going His Own Way – and apparently that also includes his spelling of the word “voila.”

Take women out of your life- Wa-La! Magically 98% of the stress and problems they cause that lead to anger and the insane laws that have men go to jail for nothing- all gone!

Troll King, meanwhile, is in so much of a rush to get his opinion down that he doesn’t even bother to finish typing the final word – I can only presume it is “civilization.”

I know there are horrible men, but we all also know that women destroy civi.

But it is Höllenhund who wins the Misogyny Sweepstakes with his attack on single mothers:

Women are largely unfit to be effective parents, so the children they end up raising alone are pretty much a lost cause. Either they’ll end up dead, as you mention, or end up as whipped, psychologically damaged beta white knights, ghetto-dwelling alpha thugs or carouseling sluts if they’re born female. They are already contaminated by the sinfulness and pathology of their POS mothers.

These are all from one post — a post designed to refute my claim, backed up with hundreds of blog posts’ worth of evidence — that the Men’s Rights movement is rife with misogyny and abusive thinking about women.

Going back through my older posts about The Spearhead, I found too many examples of really foul misogyny to post. Here are just a few:

A little Fathers’ Day death threat from Jeremiah MRA, which got more upvotes than downvotes from the Spearheaders:

If a woman was being problematic and tried to keep my children from me, I’d do one of two things: refuse to see the kids and refuse all support, or end the problem once and for all.

Greyghost, fantasizing about how the collapse of civilization would force women to turn once again to strong men for protection:

Next to a dog female fear is a mans best friend. Fearful insecure women tend to be more polite and pleasant to those around her.

Ck, declaring that women are “feral creatures” who love to be abused by “thugs.”

[W]omen are at best amoral beings and at worst imoral. I no longer look at a women and hope they may be the one who vaules a decent, kind, moral man. Instead I see a feral creature who wants to be thugf#$cked and used. They are addicted to a drug called emotion. They want the highs of being thugf#cked and the coming lows of being used and dumped. Then rinse and repeat.

Darryl X suggesting that all women are whores:

Women are not women today. They are whores. Big difference.

Whores, that is, who should be forced to live in caves:

Since the solution for the past forty-four years was to kill and impoverish and exile and imprison men and steal their kids, I’d say sending women to live in a cave is a generous trade.

And let’s just finish off this little parade of abusive misogyny for now with Towgunner, complaining how unfair it is for a man like him to be considered “equal” to the spiteful creature that is woman:

The women’s world is here, they do things not out of practical necessity but out of spite, Mother’s Day comes and they bemoan house wives, Father’s day comes and they point out that some men are staying home. There is nothing practical here, there is spite, there is insult, and there is hubris. I don’t admire women, I don’t ever want to be one either, there is nothing noble about them. In fact I find it an insult to be called “equal” to them at all.

Now, I have no evidence that any of these men are themselves abusers of women.

But is there evidence that beliefs like this can lead to abuse? As a matter of fact, there is. A 2002 meta-review of 39 studies found that various aspects of “masculine ideology” were clearly tied to sexual aggression in men. The authors wrote:

In feminist sociocultural models of rape, extreme adherence to the masculine gender role is implicated in the perpetuation of sexual assault against women in that it encourages men to be dominant and aggressive, and it teaches that women are inferior to men and are sometimes worthy of victimization. Many researchers have linked components of masculine ideology to self-reports of past sexual aggression or future likelihood to rape. Thirty-nine effect sizes were examined in this meta-analysis across 11 different measures of masculine ideology to determine how strongly each index of masculine ideology was associated with sexual aggression. Although 10 of the 11 effect sizes were statistically significant, the 2 largest effects were for Malamuth’s construct of “hostile masculinity”… and Mosher’s construct of “hypermasculinity” …  both of which measure multiple components of masculine ideology including acceptance of aggression against women and negative, hostile beliefs about women. The next strongest relationships concerned measures of agreement that men are dominant over women and measures of hostility toward women.

Emphasis mine.

Let’s look at the two forms of “masculine ideology” that have the highest correlations with sexual aggression. “Hypermasculinity” is essentially traditional machismo, laced with sexism. While one finds a good deal of macho posturing in the Men’s Rights movement, there are plenty of MRAs who don’t fit this stereotype.

What about “hostile masculinity?” The researchers describe it as a combination of

1) a desire to be in control, to be dominating, particularly in relation to women, and 2) an insecure, defensive, and distrustful orientation to women.

Does that sound just a little bit familiar?

It’s more or less a description of half of the MRAs out there, and probably the overwhelming majority of the commenters on The Spearhead.

Of course, the Spearheaders don’t express hostility only towards women. They also express hostility towards men who don’t hate women sufficiently. In the comments to Price’s post declaring me a father-demonizing mother and child-hater, the regulars attack me, variously, as “slimy,” “a bottom feeder,” “evil,” and “a sleazy predator in disguise” who is “too repulsive to even get into proximity of any young women.”

But it’s the rape jokes/threats that are the most charming, from Troll King’s PS at the end of one comment:

PS. FUck mantits. I still wanna titty fuck that little cunt. I bet they are nice and soft…nohomo…

To Judo-chop’s fond recollection of a rape threat from the past:

The best was that troll a couple years back who wished Manboobz would get anally raped. LOL. Futrelle totally lost it when he heard that.

Actually, the most recent anal rape “wish” was just a couple of months ago.

Pro-tip: If you want to prove to the world how totally non-abusive you guys are, you’re doing it wrong.

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sleepypixie
sleepypixie
7 years ago

I had a cousin who destroyed a Honda Civic once…

Cinzia La Strega
7 years ago

This is actually Bill Price’s third marriage.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

[Children of single parents will] end up as whipped, psychologically damaged beta white knights, ghetto-dwelling alpha thugs, or carouseling sluts.

Welp, that pretty much covers all the available categories of people in MRACartoonLand. What was the point, again?

“divorce industrial complex”

It’s true. The U.S. is now capable of unleashing a hundred-megaton intercontinental no-fault agreement. It works by triggering a nuclear-family-splitting chain reaction of selfish evil harpies.

Ally S
7 years ago

@House Mouse Queen, mythago

Everything’s fine now. He apologized and didn’t try to make any excuses for himself. Things will get better soon too since I’m (voluntarily) moving out within two weeks. If I didn’t have this anxiety and trauma-like emotional reaction to anger, I probably wouldn’t even be bothered.

ako
ako
7 years ago

The best way for MRAs to convince the world that they care about male rape victims is to make rape threats against a man amiright?

That’s the frustrating thing – unlike the standard MRA crap about men being oppressed by women working/not working/having sex/not having sex/being attractive/not being attractive, the social tendency to trivialized sexual assault of men is a real problem! They’ve identified a genuine issue that actually needs advocacy!

And what do they do about it? They 1) claim it’s somehow all the fault of feminism, and 2) make the problem worse by actively threatening guys they don’t like with rape, and making it clear they think it’s funny to do so. At this point I have no hope of seeing any actual meaningful advocacy from them, but at the very least, they could not actively contribute to the problem. (I used to it was pathetic that MRAs had set the bar for advocacy so low that you could outdo them by simply saying “Hey, it’d be good to support Just Detention” in public. Now I think they’ve set the bar so low that going “Rape threats against guys are not okay” in any social context ever outdoes pretty much their entire movement.)

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: ako

Is there any sexual assault that ISN’T trivialized socially? I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’s horrible, but as a survivor of sexual assault who has disclosed to people who perceived my gender in a variety of different ways… the WAY it was trivialized changed, but not the trivialization itself.

When people thought I was a girl, they’d respond to my rape with, “Why did you let him do that to you?” or, “How could you? You were dating!” The trivialization was focused on indignation, as though I was somehow personally wronging my rapist by saying he raped me. I was a bad person.

When people thought I was a guy, they’d respond with, “Welp, guess I’ll just have to do you prison style then,” or “hurr hurr, guess you have trouble getting it up now, hurr hurr.” The response was comedy, that I was somehow a failure at my gender for getting raped at all. I wasn’t a bad person, I was a bad MAN.

They were both incredibly shitty, but I can’t really say one was more shitty than the other.

katz
7 years ago

Ally, your stepdad really is impossible to please, isn’t he? You take care and let us know if you need anything.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

His argument seems to be that if women would learn their place and let men be the heads of their households as is right and good there would be no abuse, because it wouldn’t be needed.

But even if women did do their best to be “perfect wives” there would still be abuse because it’s not humanly possible to live up to the perfect selfless ideal that they expect.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

This is actually Bill Price’s third marriage.

So, he’s either a cog or a beneficiary of the Divorce-Industrial Complex™, then.

The assholish hypocrisy really is astounding.

tealily
tealily
7 years ago

You gotta love how one of them made a comment about how their patriarchal values equal pro-family values, and then another mentioned how he’d stop seeing his kids and stop all support if his wife got out of line.

The fact that all those losers have been rejected does my heart good.

marinaliteyears
marinaliteyears
7 years ago

@LBT I may be off mark on Ako’s intent here, but I don’t think they are saying that Men have it worse, merely that men have the same problem, And that instead of working from that angle to better ‘mens rights’ like they claim, the MRA continue to trivialize it anyway.

Magpie
7 years ago

If this bloke reckons kids raised by single mothers have a bad time, and kids with stepfathers get abused and murdered, what about kids raised by single fathers? Or two fathers? The ABS says there are about 160,000 single dads raising kids in Australia.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyReleaseDate/65739D1F35984057CA257B66001BE136

kittehserf
7 years ago

He didn’t finish there. He was going to say “civil engineers”. We all also know that women destroy civil engineers. Do any of you know a civil engineer? No? Because women destroy them all. Yes? That just means that the women haven’t destroyed them yet.

We know the engineers haven’t been destroyed yet, because this!

http://youtu.be/mHXBL6bzAR4

katz
7 years ago

He didn’t finish there. He was going to say “civil engineers”. We all also know that women destroy civil engineers. Do any of you know a civil engineer? No? Because women destroy them all. Yes? That just means that the women haven’t destroyed them yet.

I know a civil engineer who is a woman. A couple of ’em, actually.

ako
ako
7 years ago

I may be off mark on Ako’s intent here, but I don’t think they are saying that Men have it worse, merely that men have the same problem,

Yes, that was what I was aiming for. I wasn’t trying to claim that sexual assault of men was the only kind of sexual assault that got trivialized, just that it did get trivialized, and often in a specifically gendered way. Unlike the usual MRA complaints about women wronging men by holding jobs and wearing clothing some people find sexy and not being immune to aging, this is something that actually does need to get addressed. And instead of trying to address it, they’re making it worse.

Wetherby
Wetherby
7 years ago

There was a famous entry in the British Yellow Pages phonebook: “Boring – see Civil Engineers”.

But once it went the 1980s equivalent of viral, they dropped it.

Jo
Jo
7 years ago

I suspect women destroy CIVIes, breaking into the houses of soldiers, police officers and firefighters to cut up their regular clothes. Misandry!

kittehserf
7 years ago

There was a famous entry in the British Yellow Pages phonebook: “Boring – see Civil Engineers”.

But once it went the 1980s equivalent of viral, they dropped it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*ahem*

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@hippodemia8527 Amazing poem to quote and so apt. Nothing changes, does it?

Because by:

pro-family values

Price doesn’t actually mean pro-family. He means enforcing families that look exactly like his ideal of a “family” – so one heterosexual couple and their offspring.

And what do these “pro-family values” look like exactly? They aren’t values about the individuals that make up the family, are they? They don’t seem to include helping families support and feed themselves, or obtain good educations and good healthcare. Nope, it’s just ensuring that every family is forced to look like an identical unit with a man as its dictator as if that will magically cure all ills.

And even if his ass-data is correct and, currently, single mothers are more at risk of abuse from men who are not the fathers of their children than any other women are of abuse from either their husbands or the fathers of their children, he still hasn’t proved either:

1. If forced to be/remain married to the fathers of their children, these women and their children would have been at any less risk of abuse or:

2. Any society that espouses his so-called “pro-family” values has any lower level of abuse than one that doesn’t.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

So “It’s not that we hate women and promote hateful views of them, it’s just that we despise them, fear them, feel they should have no rights, and blame them for everything that we consider wrong with the world.”

And “it’s not that we don’t care passionately about male victims of rape, but we reserve the right to threaten men who disagree with us with… er… rape.”

@ Wetherby, there used to be an enormous hoarding on the outskirts of Dubai proclaiming “Swiss Boring”. Just that: no other details. Used to make me chuckle.

girlscientist
girlscientist
7 years ago

David, I’m sorry you had to deal with these threats, and with people thinking they’re funny. These things tend to tale their toll, even when you shrug them off. Please take good care of yourself.

scarlettpipstrelle
7 years ago

My big complaint with Price is intellectual hubris: like many mensrighters he spends a lot of time theorizing and building grand explanations of reality without fact-checking. Like, how could he write with a straight face that there were no female lamas? But they all do that and so their depictions of “reality” veer from silly to scary.

And perhaps a more serious sin on his part is his encouragement of his posse. He provides a haven for people to say the most ghastly things (see above) with minimal moderation so far as we can tell. That way he can say, “I didn’t say that.” but he gave aid and comfort to the ones who did.

beegee
beegee
7 years ago

@Hippodamia8527
Cool poem. Some people always say that its always better to stay for the children, but they’re always comparing a happy intact family with a family that has a long pattern of happiness to the extent that they got a divorce. How about they compare apples to apples and compare the results of leaving an unhappy relationship with the results of staying in an unhappy one? I bet things would look different.

People always act like women just up and leave their husbands for no reason. Maybe if they listened to women when they complained people wouldn’t be surprised when they left. I feel like a lot of people feel that women just complain, and it really doesn’t mean much, because women don’t really “mean” they’re complaints.

scarlettpipstrelle
7 years ago

There are some spectacular examples of the two points I made above in Price’s oeuvre concerning the Shakers on his current front page.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@Ally

And I just want to say that I’m sorry if I sound really gloomy and irritable today. I’ve been in my room all day cooped-up because this morning my step-dad was screaming in my face and insulting me for being “lazy”, and I fear that he might try to kick me out of the house. It’s really rough for me right now so if I’m snappy with anyone I’m very sorry.

You aren’t being snappy today. And sorry about your stepdad 🙁

My step-dad has calmed down and apologized, and he’s not going to kick me out. I’m still going to leave soon, though, and live with some friends of mine.

That’s good. And I’m glad to hear you can stay with some friends soon.

Rea
Rea
7 years ago

His mathematical knowledge is no better than his heart. He commits the same fallacy committed by the guy who was afraid there would be a bomb on the plane, so he took one on. His reasoning?: “The odds of one bomb on the plane is tiny, but the odds of two are really microscopic.” This, of course, doesn’t work: Another that may or may not be on the plane is (or is not) there independently of his actions. He don’t influence the real bomb.

He say that leaving partners is bad, because the single mom’s children stand a greater chance of abuse than the married mom’s. But he forgets that there are already some truths in this divorcing-from-an-abuser scenario, regardless if he knows it or not.
The average chance that a child of a single mother will be abused (this study probably exclude sexual abuse) was 2.7 % in one study, and 1.5% for children in 2-parent households. (These numbers may not be the best, but I will use them as an example of the argument.) W.F. Price probably knows some statistics in this category.
But the woman in an abusive marriage either know that her children are abused, or at the very least that they are getting their values from an abuser and may potentially be abused by the abuser that is already in their home. Getting from a 100% certainty of abuse to a perhaps 2.7% chance is very wise.
If he thinks that divorcing an abusive man is going from a 1.5% to a 2.7% chance of abuse, he is simply not considering the factors that are true regardless of the divorce.

Rea
Rea
7 years ago

Ceebarks said: “But nooooo, women nagged/social-engineered/golddug/creepshamed our collective way into making the poor exhausted men invent agriculture, nuclear warfare, antibiotics, designer handbags, bon-bons, and the TCP/IP protocol,…”

and scented candles. Don’t forget that horrendous offense to all decent society – scented (shudder) candles.

Rea
Rea
7 years ago

“I KNOW THERE ARE HORRIBLE MEN, BUT WE ALL ALSO KNOW THAT WOMEN DESTROY CIVI. ”

Women. Not only destroyers of civilization, but even the thought of us could destroy the ability to complete the word you started typing.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

These guys are awfully invested in women being afraid to leave their abuser. I know plenty of women who left their abusive husbands and did not find the world’s men to be frothing at the mouth to abused them and their children. There are plenty of women and who find happiness with a man who is not the biological father of those kids.

Abuse statistics keep falling, because women do find it easier to leave an abusive partner and that abuser has to reign himself in if he wants a woman to voluntarily stay with him in the future. These assholes hate that. They long for the days when women and girls were the property of their fathers until they were sold to their husbands, for better or for worse. Often, it was for worse. So, they rage and whine and stomp their fight and try to tell women they were better off as property, in very much the same way we see white bigots telling POC that they were better off as property.

No one is fooled. The only people who benefited from the oppression of others were the oppressors.

I’m sorry you’re getting threats David. These abusive butt barnacles can’t use reason or facts. So, they have to fall back on threats. They say when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I guess when you are a rapist,(or someone who gets off on threatening rape) everyone looks like a potential victim.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m not familiar with the divorce laws in other countries, but in the US states started changing their laws to allow no fault divorce. According to the logic of WTF Price that would mean rates of DV should have skyrocketed.

Not so much.

According the U.S. Department of Justice, the U.S. has seen a 64% decline in domestic violence over the last two decades.[9] From 1994–2000, domestic violence declined by 48%, following a similar trend in overall violent crime. From 2001–2010, the rate of decline in domestic violence slowed or stabilized, while the overall violent crime rate continued to fall. Additional information on U.S. domestic violence prevalence as well as prevention programs and their efficacy is available from the Department of Justice’s Office of Violence Against Women and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. http://www.stopvaw.org/prevalence_of_domestic_violence

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m slowly working my through that Lousy Book Covers site Kittehserf linked too. I think I found an alternate cover for the Myth of Male Power.

http://lousybookcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cover118.jpg

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

I’m slowly working my through that Lousy Book Covers site Kittehserf linked to. I think I found an alternate cover for the Myth of Male Power.

http://lousybookcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cover118.jpg

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Uhh. I thought I found a way to edit a misspelling in the first post and just ended up posting a second. Sorry.

tinyorc
7 years ago

“I KNOW THERE ARE HORRIBLE MEN, BUT WE ALL ALSO KNOW THAT WOMEN DESTROY CIVI. ”

I scratched my dad’s copy of Civilization II when I was a kid. Maybe that’s what he means?

I mean, it was pretty misandric of me, but I saved up my pocket money to get him a new copy, so civi wasn’t destroyed forever!

tinyorc
7 years ago

Also, David, I am so sorry you are getting rape threats. It’s disgusting and upsetting and thank you for continuing to run this blog in spite of it.

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

@tinyorc

He was clearly talking about women’s wanton destruction of Civ I. I doubt he was even aware of your dastardly attack on Civ II.

kittehserf
7 years ago

I’m slowly working my through that Lousy Book Covers site Kittehserf linked to. I think I found an alternate cover for the Myth of Male Power.

http://lousybookcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cover118.jpg

The scary thing is, that effort isn’t any worse than Farrell’s – and the name gives a better idea of what’s really going on in his maggotty little brain. 😀

Also, if we’ve all destroyed civi, what’s lisation (or lization) doing? Is it all on its lonesome?

katz
7 years ago

I’m slowly working my through that Lousy Book Covers site Kittehserf linked too. I think I found an alternate cover for the Myth of Male Power.

http://lousybookcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cover118.jpg

…That’s a real book cover? My Violence in the Library cover was way better than that!

kittehserf
7 years ago

Check out the site, katz, the covers are unbelievably bad. The first one up today is a winner, it’s soooooo bad it’s MRA-worthy.

hieronymousboss
hieronymousboss
7 years ago

This place is the perfect antidote to the hate I’ve read all over the internet for the past week, as the Title IX violation on college campuses have inspired hundreds of articles per week.

I swear these MRAs must have a full-time troll brigade on the payroll, because they show up en masse in literally every comments section and take it over with rape apologism.

My faith in humanity is restored momentarily, reading these comments. /endvent

Ally S
7 years ago

@hieronymousboss

Yeah, I’ve noticed the whole AVfM gang loves to brigade Buzzfeed article comments. Dean Esmay, Paul Elam, GirlWritesWhat, Typhonblue, John The Other, etc. I can only hope that their activism never extends beyond defending misogyny and racism on the internet.

Oh, and here’s your welcome package: http://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/the-official-man-boobz-complimentary-welcome-package/

scarlettpipstrelle
7 years ago

I’ve seen evidence of a troll brigade patrolling comments sections too. Whenever there’s some ghastly incident concerning child custody, no matter how outrageous, I generally see them. We had a guy who violated a court order, invaded his ex’s home, tasered and pepper-sprayed her, and ran off with their young son. His father was waiting with a getaway car nearby. And why did the father become subject to a court order? Because previously he had taken the son away and hidden him for 9 months in an undisclosed location. The judge didn’t like that and changed the visitation rules. So the troll brigade shows up on most of the articles following this story with comments like, “She’s no angel!” and “Poor dad was pushed to the limits because she denied him access to his son.” and so forth.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

We’re destroying civvies! From now on, only military uniforms allowed. Ten-HUT!

kittehserf
7 years ago

Only if they’re like this and not like this!

Though I think MRAs should be made to wear these.

In winter.

Skye
Skye
7 years ago

David, thank you for all you do here. I’m sorry you have to deal with rape threats and other disgusting crap.

Ally, glad you’ll be with friends soon. Sorry about all you’re going through with your family right now.

Since Tinyorc mentioned Civ. I used to play Civ III w/my husband and some male friends. I guess when I won games it was double misandry because I usually played as Hatshepsut. 😉

seranvali
7 years ago

Hang on…is this genius pro-‘traditional family values’ or is he advocating MGTOW? It seems to me that the latter largely precludes the former since the latter generally requires the abandonment of their families, refusal to pay their share of child support and parenting responsibilities.

cupisnique
7 years ago

@ seranvali

Well, they wouldn’t have to “Go their Own Way” if women just did everything they were told by their husbands, instead of being evil harpies bent on destroying mankind. /sarcasm

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Kittehs’ third book cover link

THE HILLS HAVE EYES! D8