Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
Women instinctively know that if dudebros consider them garbagedumps then said dudebros are the garbage, which is why we want nothing to do with them.
And who are they kidding, they’d fuck any woman that gave them the time of day. They know it and we know it.
Dudebros in the manosphere continually label themselves as “average”, but they are not. Most of the men I know are average and they all manage to date, marry, have a family, or not if they so choose, and manage to talk to women without hatred. All the women haters are far below average and they know it, they just want to blame women for that, too.
I have to struggle to remember the face of the first guy I slept with. Because that was 30 years ago (I am middle-aged, used up and worthless to these dudes, hooray) and honestly, a lot has happened between then and now. I have had other partners, other quick-and-fun fucks, and a long-term partner for 24 years. I really, REALLY don’t pine for that first guy. I can barely picture him.
These sexually insecure guys, who think that a woman who has had sex before will compare your sexual abilities with previous partners’ need to understand that the sexual relationship is only a PART of the relationship as a whole, and if you are a clumsy lover, but are excellent in other respects, she’ll still love you and stay.
For example, if your woman, who has gotten around and had mind-blowing sex, decides that she just looooooves the way your nose crinkles when you laugh, the fact that you are not ashamed to act silly in public, the fact that you read only vintage comic books, are anal-retentive about how the dishwasher should be loaded, but don’t give a hoot about sorting the laundry, and thinks you look adorkable in glasses is probably going to be happy to be with you, even if you don’t give her a screaming orgasm every single time. If you are a CONSIDERATE lover, clumsy can be forgiven. After all, sex skills can be learned, and a considerate lover will, over time, gain the specific skills to please the person he’s considering. Committed couples who really love each other have sex that gets better with time.
First, obviously Rose’s husband was not the same person as her fiancée. Second, I never stated that Rose was damaged goods and furthermore you drew the wrong conclusion. I stated that nobody wants to be like Rose’s husband, who despite spending a lifetime with her turned out to only ever be number two in her heart, if any number at all, compared to her ex, who she knew a week or so at most. Third, I said the it is a general rule (concede admittedly there may be exceptions) that the guy who gave a gal the most sexual pleasure ever, is her own personal all-time champion of her heart; i never said the guy the gal lost her virginity to, though of course, there are those who do memorialize forever the very first time. Fourth, art reflects life and to cite an example, romantic literature by adult women for females of all ages, from both east and west, north and south, reflects this idea ex. Twilight (Hah!) Now, women may not be as affected negatively as men at sharing their mate, since the institution of polygamy via harems is as ancient as mammalian life itself, but men are different; it takes a relatively rare type of male to engage in polygyny or what is known as the reverse-harem.
I understand, random troll, you’re terrified of being compared to other men. I dunno, maybe you should be. You seem insensitive, immoral and have terrible taste in television programs (I mean seriously, Cheaters? Good god, man, this is the Golden Age of TV and you watch Cheaters?). Maybe hiding out in the basement is a better bet for you.
You just think that nobody will ever compare and so she’ll never be happy again. Not damaged goods at all. TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Every time I read a phrase like this I mentally change it to, “I’m pulling this out of my ass.”
There you are.
We get it, RandomPoster, you’re terrible in bed and very insecure about it. Don’t you think that either therapy or trying to become less sexually useless would be more productive than screeching at women on the internet? It’s not going to solve your underlying problem, you know.
Oh wow…now Twilight is a documentary and harems are natural. All male mammals have/had harems? Monogomy is a “Reverse-harem”?
What the ever loving fuck?
Random troll is 14. Maybe 13.
Wow, Wordsp1nner, I’m glad you had it done, but yeah, booo for the pain. Be gentle with yourself, and remember if you’re thinking about your sore genitals all day, your productivity will go way down, anyway. Better to rest up and avoid making stupid mistakes. Depending on your job, those mistakes from a lack of concentration could be very costly. Yes, even in a “woman’s work,” type of job! But, if you do bounce back in time for tomorrow, and you’re feeling chipper, then YAAAY! HUGS!
I’ve actually heard of a couple or three reasons for such a surgery being needed, so I believe you. But please don’t tell a MGTOWer, because I shudder to think of the reaction. Yikes!
Also, Katz, I hope you feel better soon, too.
RandomAsshole: turn off the tv and go outside. Or get better cable, your examples suck.
Oh for Pete’s sake.
Art does not reflect life, art reflects interpretations of life. And guess what? some people have skewed interpretations of the world around them for any of over a thousand reasons. I am a firm believer in art as a way of knowing and understanding the human condition, but each work of art examines at most a handful of facets of that condition. You might want to try some art that has not been skewed by acceptance of patriarchal norms to get an idea of what the other posters are talking about.
Ooooooh. Ick. It just occurred to me that all these guys assuming that any girl of 16 or older is not a virgin are probably thinking that having sex with an underage girl of 16 or 17 is just all hunky-dory, and shouldn’t be illegal, at all. In fact, if they’re going for virgins, and they think that 16 is the non-virgin cut-off point, then… Ewwwww, they’re pedos!
Amazingly, those few years of mental and emotional development really do make a difference, and we have age of consent laws for a real reason.
Of course, they think that all women can’t be emotionally or mentally mature, no matter the age, so, again… Ewwwww, they’re pedos!
I need some brain bleach. Bye, y’all.
Off topic, but I’m just catching up with the thread – Katz and Wordsp1nner, I hope you’re both feeling better today.
If we’re using fictional characters as evidence, I have one too.
How about Catelyn Stark from ASOIAF/Game of Thrones. She was first betrothed to Brandon Stark and really into him. Then he was killed and she was married off to his brother Ned instead. At first it was awkward, but she grew to love him and their children and was very devoted to her family. In fact, she was the one who was sort of cuckolded!
Or how about those hundreds of rom coms that feature a woman who thinks she’s in love with one man and ends up falling for the other, unexpected guy.
Does Random Loser consider Cheaters art?
This isn’t a “general rule to which there may be exceptions”:
This is just something you made up.
There is no general rule to who is the “personal all-time champion of the heart” of a woman. You would know this if you had ever talked to, you know, a woman.
Right, and there’s nothing in shifting cultural narratives that’s even slightly PROSCRIPTIVE.
Twilight is, right down to the bones, a Mormon ‘this is the right way to be a virgin’ story. Right down to the very bones.
It’s proscriptive morality, not an observation on the nature of people.
And does it strike a chord? Welp. Yes, yes, it does. By and large among people raised in Purity culture.
But, no, it’s just a totally trenchant observation that…
Oh, yeah, clearly.
@ceebarks:
IANAL but to my knowledge, generally speaking, yes there is. And I don’t know if it was clear from what I wrote, but I do think that is fair and reasonable. Once that window has elapsed, though, if you have not elected to verify paternity you are agreeing to be that child’s parent regardless of biology if you’re married (and in some other cases, depending on where you live).
PS: like, 9/10ths of the love story in Twilight comes before any sex at all. It’s sort of the point.
So the fill-in-the-blanks moral he’s pulling out of the story? About how women always love the most incredible sex they had forever and ever?
Is kinda ridiculous and stupid and stuff.
RP thinks cheaters is real?
Duuuude. That is fucking stupid.
“Reality” TV is a genre. The word “reality” in the name no way implies that what you are seeing is actually unplanned, unscripted or even kinda sorta based on a true story.
You are a vile, clueless, silly person and I can hardly believe that you expect to be taken seriously.
Now, women may not be as affected negatively as men at sharing their mate, since the institution of polygamy via harems is as ancient as mammalian life itself, but men are different; it takes a relatively rare type of male to engage in polygyny or what is known as the reverse-harem.
So your hypothetical girlfriend has to be a virgin, but you can sleep around as much as you like with as many women as you like. That’s nice.
You’re a fan of “Cheaters.” Have you ever seen an episode where the man is the cheater, and when he’s exposed the women he’s cheating on go, “Aw, that’s fine, honey bun, I’m not affected negatively. After all, as woman, we evolved not have human feelings.” Ever?
P.S. Sorry, not “women.” I mean FEEEEEEMALES
Random Pester: Are you calling Cheaters and the Twilight series art?
I once saw this movie, Poltergeist. It proves that ghosts are real. And that if you fall asleep with the television on you will open up a gateway to the other side.
I mean maybe I’m just being harsh here, dude, but maybe you should try real life examples, not examples from media. You literally have no valid theories or proof, just examples from media. That proves nothing except that media propagates age-old stereotypes about women (and men and minorities and everyone else – my point is that media works with stereotypes and again, isn’t real life).
And let’s be real here. You have no idea what you are talking about. Let’s take my mom for example a woman who has very traditional views and thoughts. She and my father divorced last year (thank god for that, they were a terrible couple and only stayed married for me and my sister) and she started seeing this guy and had GREAT sex with him. She said the only reason she dated him was the sex. Now she’s dating someone else, and guess what? She doesn’t “pine” over the guy who was great in the sack, she has better things to do with her life. As most women do.
If someone is pining over someone it’s because they never got over them, not because it’s just how women (or men) naturally are.