Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
Heh, typical modern female. Not just feminist, oh no, all modern females indeed. Demands constant recognition and affirmation of her own position but immediately dismisses and ignores male opinion that she doesn’t agree with and/or approve of. And yet, eternally complaining that males do it to females. Which is why none of the female posters here and white knight male posters here bothered to discuss the other valid points in this article (even one is much too many for them, i’m sure). Like for instance how no self-respecting man wants to be like Rose’s husband in the Titanic movie. Imagine, you devoted the majority of your adult life to this woman, and at the end she thinks of you not at all and still pines for her very first boyfriend who she knew for a week at most with you being just a placeholder. This is proof of why the war of the sexes will never be truly over as our contrasting instinctive reproductive strategies will inevitably result in both sides putting one over the other so to speak at some point. No wonder why sex is also called ‘screwing’. Sigh.
Ninja’d by hellkell! Seriously, why are these dudes always so averse to using the ‘return’ key? Is it misandry to use paragraph breaks?
“Rarghargabrahhharghhhhhhhhh!!!!!” Uh huh. Cool story, bro.
Rape victims’ experiences are not for you to appropriate for the sake of making a shitty argument against the legal obligation of child support. Fuck off.
And if “illegitimate” children are “bastard womb turds”, just remember: It’s a bastard who did the shitting in that womb.
Actually, this is why you’re a loser and no woman finds you attractive. You babble a lot, and all of it is nonsense. Shut up and go away.
Aw, babby thinks he’s entitled to a debate. Cry moar, babby.
Randomloser,
Are you saying that only women pine for a lost love? And your evidence for that is a movie? Your opinion isn’t being taken seriously because it is pathetic.
RandomPoster: You realize you are citing a work of fiction (created by a man) and a fictional character as “proof” of how women supposedly victimize men? Just wanted to make sure you are aware that movie isn’t a documentary.
Also, again this macho stupidity on the supposed magical quality of sex. Look: Rose would not have needed to have sex with whatshisface in order to fantasize about him while ignoring her husband. It’s perfectly possible to be infatuated with someone without having slept with them. So if you think a virgin is a woman who can’t possibly have ever loved someone other than the man she’s engaged to, you are very much mistaken and need to grow the fuck up.
Funny how that sounds like countless guys I know.
No one here is obligated to take seriously an article littered with misogyny.
@Random Poster, you probably aren’t worth my time, but here goes.
Yes, infidelity is harmful and wrong. Cheating is not even in the same category as rape, so never compare the two again.
Abortion of a pregnancy is 1not nearly as easy as you seem to think (especially currently in the US) & 2not the same as casting a born child from your life.
Yes, the pregnant woman in question should have ultimate say over continuing that pregnancy. She’s the one facing the not trivial health risks.
Nice try, but I don’t know any feminist men or women who believe women “can do know wrong,” they simply believe women are human and capable of doing both right & wrong, just like men.
I have a two year old. Were I to discover there was a mixup at the hospital and he isn’t my biological son, it would not change my love for him in the slightest. He’s my child. I worry about him when he’s sick, console him when he cries, rejoice with him when he laughes. I enjoy watching him discover the world and learn how to express himself. I like to teach him and watch him grow. In short, I adore the person he is and thw person he’s becoming. This has absolutely nothing to do with genetics.
Damn. I thought Random Pester left forever.
emilygoddess:
Yep. It’s like, I know those are actual words. Those words, written in English, that I can read and understand. Those words are strung together into actual sentences, that I can also read and understand. But putting all those specific words into those specific sentences in that specific order has created something of such incomprehensible wrongness that all I can do is gale at it, with my mouth open.
Now, I’ll try a specific. I’ll start with the first sentence, because I can’t get to far into it with my brain going blank:
Random Poster: You just compared being cuckolded to being raped. If you seriously believe those two things to be equivalent, then you fuck off. Fuck off, right now, and don’t come back. That is vile.
Random Pester also doesn’t seem to understand that fetus does not equal baby.
RandomAsshole: Too stupid, didn’t read. What I did instead was notice this little gem:
So onto this extremely serious and worthwhile topic: As an ESL speaker, I just don’t get this expression. Isn’t the very purpose of having cake eating it? WHY is there cake if the cake can’t be et? WHY?
Also, why does RandomAsshole think that a woman needs to have sex with a guy to pine for him? They’re trying to make this into a situation where they don’t want to be the woman’s second (or last) choice, which is understandable, I mean, who does? but they in some convoluted way make it all about teh sexytiems… like if she was sleeping with someone else first, that makes you automagically second and thus the loser, since the guy who got there first is the “winner”, even though she may have CHOSEN to have a relationship with you that she didn’t choose with the other guy. It makes no sense other than as a form of slut shaming.
Also also, pining for a lost love is not something that’s unique to women.
“…a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with.”
…hundreds? — Well, at least one can’t fault this fellow for not thinking…big.
“If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night.”
Yup. Like I said…thinking big. Hmmmm.
@Gen
The expressed is more commonly phrased as “to have one’s cake and eat it, too”. The idea behind it is that once you eat the entire cake, you no longer have it. So someone who wishes to have their cake and eat it, too is really just an entitled person who wishes for an impossible situation.
Wrote rant before seeing Random Poster’s latest trash.
Dude, just go.
Gen, in the expression, the word “have” is being used as “keep” or “save.” As eating the cake reduces the amount of cake left, you can’t both save and eat it.
That was for Random, in case that wasn’t obvious.
Thanks for the explanations, I think I get it now. But I still maintain that this eventual cakelessness is an oppressive state of affairs – damn you, physics!
Ally said it better
Amused, I liked most of your post. As someone who was a virgin past my teen years, it’s not always because the person is asexual or “trapped in a fundamentalist religion”
Gen: Ooh, idioms. I love idioms (yes, I’m strange), a lot more interesting than the random pest posting incomprehensible walls of text, eh?
The way I have heard it is, “wants to have her/his cake and eat it, too,” is supposed to mean, wants to have two different things that are incompatible. Apparently the original proverb went, “You can’t eat your cake and have it too,” which makes a little bit more sense. Literally, you cannot eat up your cake and then expect to have that cake in hand.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/magazine/20FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=0
Michael who lived directly on the beach was really really fond of the “have your cake and eat it too” idiom as applied to women who wouldn’t go out with it, which is why I brought the beach up. I can’t hear/read that idiom anymore without thinking of him, although I don’t actually think Random Poster is the same person.
Um, go out with him, not it.
If you’re referring to me, well, you’re not wrong. I wasn’t able to expound in detail upon why you’re a total ignoramus because, as the typical modern female, I had too much work to do. But you know what, you get my whole lunch hour! Enjoy.
Comparing being cheated on to being raped is fucking disgusting. Cheating on someone is a very slimy, in many cases unforgivable action; but it is sure as hell not the same as being assaulted and violated. Your choice to draw a parallel was gross and it makes me believe that you are also gross.
If you have an existing relationship with a child, and you are willing to throw that relationship away because of something their other parent did, you are an asshole. Full stop. If you can claim to love your 6 year old and then turn your back on them the next day, you couldn’t have ever loved them in the first place. This is an entirely different idea than finding out, before you form a relationship with the child, that your partner’s child is not biologically your own. At that point you are free to walk away both legally and (in my mind) ethically, if you choose.
Children who are conceived in rape deserve security and love just like any other children, whether that is from their birth mother or from different parents/caregivers. Your phrasing suggested that giving up a child who you cannot bond with is somehow the equivalent to rejecting your children who you already know well and have actively parented. It is not.