Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
If vaginas are a garbage dump, then MGTOW semen is an aerosol can filled with paint, used syringes, and compact fluorescent light bulbs. Take that shit to a recycling center.
LBT – I encountered Ladder Theory some time ago, and it enraged me. The assumptions are such bullshit – that the sex ladder is automatically the “good” ladder, that women are heartless cold bitches for wanting to be friends, that men are too emotionally immature to continue being friends after failing to get in someone’s pants. It’s the Friend Zone, with pseudo-sociological underpinnings. I’d love to see a post on it here, if it hasn’t already been dismantled.
As the saying goes, “slut” is how women are shamed for wanting to have sex. “Friend zone” is how women are shamed for not wanting to have sex.
wordsp1nner and katz – hope you both feel better soon.
I hate the Friend Zone and wish it would burn in a fucking fire. I’m mostly ace; if you’re not my husband, damn straight you’re going into my “friend zone.”
My experience with Ladder Theory was the guy trying to use it to claim that sure, he was straight and cis and white and there were three billion women on the planet, but due to Scientific Logic barely any of them were worth being with, which was why he’d never find the love of his life or some such bullshit.
@house mouse queen
” I have my own methods too but I actually feel the slime of these crazy fuckers with every line I read to the point of having to watch other things for a while just to be able to dive right back into the shit pile.”
Ugh. Can we not do that ‘people being dicks’= ‘crazy people’ thing. :/
I just look at it this way. For every MGTOWer out there, there’s a bajillion guys who ARE the cock carousel. And a few gals too. So it’s not exactly like if these vile twerps ever actually DO manage to go their own way that they will be any loss whatsoever– and it’ll probably improve the gene pool somewhat.
I believe we will end up in the same place someday. I BELIEVE!
@wordsp1nner, I wish I got to meet her in Australia, but actually she came to Los Angeles. I’m saving up money to go to Australia, and if/when that happens I will definitely visit her there too!
@LBT, she showed me the drawing you did — it is fantastic!
MGTOW are such a fascinating hate group. They’re tethered by their own lust and can’t sever the cord. Racists would just as soon never cross paths with a PoC, but MGTOW desperately want sex from the people they despise. It leads to some very ugly psychology and behavior.
RE: katz
ONE DAY I WILL MAKE IT TO THE WEST COAST. ONE DAY.
RE: cloudiah
Aw, I’m glad! I had to break out my brush for that one; I haven’t drawn on paper more than half that size in years. Good practice!
Hey so I couldn’t log into my old WordPress account, but I wanted to have a cat again, so, umm, this is still dustydeste, I just subbed out a letter. Just posting this for transparency, so I don’t forget to later. At any rate, yay cat! *Does celebratory wiggle dance*
All Mammotheers are also invited to come visit me at the Gold Coast if you’re ever in Australia and in the area.
All I’m hearing these nasty little cretins saying is: “these women have more sex than us, how dare they have more sex than us it’s not my fault i’m a repugnant turd and my looks aren’t enough to make up for my repulsive personality.”
I don’t even have words for these type of people. And I honestly don’t get who, except a very, very, VERY insecure person, would value virginity. Like why would you WANT to have sex with someone who was inexperienced? There’s not much pleasure to that. Then again these doodz probably get off on the idea that they are taking their innocence and corrupting them and that they wouldn’t know what they are doing. And they clearly seem to think sex is just insert penis into vagina and remove it and then repeat for 30 seconds before passing out and going to sleep.
I feel bad for anyone who has slept with them. They are a shining point (among many) for why I have avoided sex thus far. Not just the whole women hating dudebro convention thing, but the selfish, crappy lover thing.
LBT:
But then it would be redundant with “attractiveness” he also mentioned. Also, he specifically mentioned the ability to have children. I think these guys often fail to understand what “fertile” is supposed to mean in evopsych jargon, so they just go with the common language meaning and assume it’s a desirable quality in women, and who cares why.
Also, I didn’t understand how a woman would “fuck away” her attractiveness or fertility during her “bad boy phase”. Youth, maybe, but you lose your youth regardless of any fucking. Maybe he equates youth with unspoiledness, assuming all women become sluts at the same age, in which case his argument would be that unchaste (read: adult) women are worthless because they’ve lost their worth.
Lea:
While I know the story of Justinian and Theodora, I initially read that as: “was saved because of the fedora he wore”. This blog is really priming my brain to certain words.
I haven’t even read the blog post, the caption on the title picture was enough. “Uh oh.”
Snickers.
But you’re not supposed to be looking for a woman at all! Just go already!
I grow courgettes in my compost heap. It seemed to be producing magnificent crops of tasty veg. Have I been doing it wrong all this time?
What really confuses me is why these guys are so keen to have children when they hate human society.
@dustedeste
Thanks for telling us :3 ps: your new cat avatar is super cute.
I would hardly call myself a ‘womb turd.’ Calling anyone that is just… wrong.
Well, if you wanted to have sex with someone in particular and they happened to be a virgin, then that would be a good reason to want to. If you fancy someone and especially if you care about them as well, then their experience or lack thereof shouldn’t really matter.
And I’ve always had a bit of a thing for shy, geeky, inexperienced guys. They might not have their skills honed, but they are often fun, enthusiastic, considerate and keen to learn. I’ve also been with guys who’ve had plenty of experience but were terrible in bed.
So, there is nothing wrong with finding an inexperienced person attractive if you’re seeing the whole person. It’s just how these guys fetishize virginity/inexperience because they can’t see women as whole people that is creepy.
@Mike:
Some of the attitudes towards children/parenthood that crop up in the manosphere are really disturbing. Some common ones are
– Children are property
– Childcare is extremely easy (which becomes dangerous when it’s paired with “so I should get primary custody of my children,” because parents who have no clue what childcare entails are not going to give their kids what they need)
– I shouldn’t have to pay for my kids needs if I’m not seeing them. That’s their mother’s problem!
– Men who have struck their children should still be allowed to see them. It’s a “father’s right.”
– Non-biological children do not deserve affection or support. This is true even if you find out several years into their lives that they are not biologically yours.
I feel so sorry for the children of MRAs.
And here I thought the family scenes in Me, Myself, and Irene were endearing.
@LBT
I just googled “ladder theory”. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.
More random people on the internet telling me what I am attracted to. It is amazing. I have been me for 30 years, but I need someone else on the internet to tell me what my experience is. Seconding/thirding this as a possible WHTM topic suggestion.
P.S. Thanks for your blog post.
@wordsp1nner @katz (and anyone else really)
I don’t know if dancing parrots will make you feel better, but here are some dancing parrots in case they do.
Hmm funny. I’ve only ever had sex with one person and yet I can still tell good sex from bad. Its almost as if I can tell what gets me off or something and sex isn’t just something that just happens to me. But what would I know. Apparently I haven’t eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil by not fucking a bunch of different men and I’m supposed to think my man is mind blowing in bed (he isn’t. Guess what, his dick isn’t the only reason I’m with him. I actually like him as a human being, empty wallet and all). What a strange fetish they like. Women with no experience, who are less likely to be active participants. Women who will probably not enjoy sex as much with them because they havent figured it out yet, and because of nerves/awkwardness/embarrassment. Man, wouldnt only having sex with ‘virgins’ be boring?
Frankly I wouldnt be super keen on the idea of having sex with someone who has had many different partners. Mostly because of STIs. But if they are clean and the behaviour wasn’t something that came out of disrespecting those previous partners, then it becomes a non issue. Sex comes with enough baggage without being shamed for actually enjoying it.