Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
Ye Gods. What a bunch of losers. I really think they’re scared of exposing their own lack of skillz in the bedroom. I shudder to think how dreary sex with one of these “men” would be.
I’m a senior woman who enjoyed a lively sex life in my wilder years with some really great guys. These alleged men sound like frightened little boys. I really hope these guys are the exceptions now.
But once they land the teenage virgin of their dreams, will any of them stay with her? Maybe a few would at least keep her around until he grows tired of her, but I have a feeling it’s “pump-and-dump” with them.
@LBT: Speaking of their feelings on kids, there’s only one time I across an article that wasn’t about how children are just the pawns of women, repulsive or their property if aborted. It was about raising a son and even then it was basically making the kid feel guilty for existing because the dad can’t “play The Game” anymore, using him to flirt with women when he’s little and encouraging him to stick his dick into any attractive female (including teachers) he can get his hands on. So basically mold the kid through guilt in your image so you can live through him.
Make sure you poop Sean Connery too, otherwise you’re still in blue pill world.
It seems like fertility, to these guys, is akin to horsepower on a sports car. Women are status objects whose primary function is to form babbys. So fertility needs to be ranked and measured on a scale, the way sports cars are, and then conspicuously not consumed. Getting a woman at peak fertility means they’re controlling something really powerful that they can extravagantly cause to go to waste and excite admiration/envy from other men. It’s similar to lighting cigars with $100 bills.
(Except that women’s fertility peaks from their early twenties to mid-thirties, after they’ve had plenty of chances to acquire vag perma-stains from other men, but never mind that silly biological detail.)
@LBT – yep, food lickers is an apt metaphor for this brand of selfishness. Basically, they want to take the first scoop of peanut butter out of the new jar, then throw the rest of it away.
The penny-dreadful cover that Mammoth used for this post is perfect: these guys are writing-writing-WRITING — and with both hands! Endless novelizing for a crusty publishing house in a hellish parallel universe. There’s a hint of the corrective piety of a religious pamphlet in “no man wants to work for what others gain for free”, something Elmer Gantry might write. They’re concentrating, making beatbox noises with their Gonzo porn vocab. Why oh why aren’t they using all this mental energy to turn on their political masters?! They’re the ones who’ve emasculated them and disenfranchised us ALL.
I know countless straight guys who talk about sex as though they wouldn’t hesitate to have sex with multiple women if they could.
That’s some quality contradiction right there. “Men have to work for sex and that’s terrible, but women can’t be giving away sex for free, that’s also terrible!”
If you take the red pill, you will most certainly crap out something, Lea…it’s Colace, remember?
People like this want to close my vagina up permanently, and I just got it surgically opened up.*
Not that they’d believe me. They ignore not-conventionally-beautiful and socially awkward girls and don’g believe women can be virgins past sixteen, so I’m probably safe.
*Not actually joking. It still fucking hurts and I’m debating going to work tomorrow.
No signs of lions or Sean Connery so far. I guess I get to stay a feminist.
Wordslnner,
Yay for your vag!
Boo for the pain!
(((Hugs))), if you want them.
Ouch, wordsp1nner — I will write you a note so you can stay home if you want.
Also, I am the lucky person who just got to meet kittehserf in person. We had fun! She’s just as hilarious in person as she is here.
(katz, we hope you’re feeling better.)
BECAUSE SCIENCE!!!eleventy!
They’re just parroting fourth hand popular evo psych horseshit to try and rationalize their sour grapes. It’s cargo cult science.
Seriously, if any of these doods could get laid, does anyone believe they’d be “MGTOW”?
Can’t they all just buy themselves Real Dolls? They’d be happier, and so would any women forced to come into contact with them.
Nice, cloudiah! Did you meet her in Australia?
It isn’t the doctor’s note–I can just call in if I need it (and if I needed a doctor’s note I doubt I’d have trouble convincing my OB.) I just haven’t decided if I’m sick enough to justify going in.
I’m just glad that all I had to do was tell my boss I was having surgery and not what kind.
OMG. David, how on earth do you handle going through the shit pile? I have my own methods too but I actually feel the slime of these crazy fuckers with every line I read to the point of having to watch other things for a while just to be able to dive right back into the shit pile.
These men are creeeeepy. Im glad I have my mouse Boogie. He restores my faith in the world.
I’m so grateful that so many men who believe ass-backwards things like “why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free SEE WOMEN ARE COWS AND THEY PRODUCE SEX MILK THAT IS THE JOKE” are kind enough to advertise it to the world, so that I know precisely who to avoid.
Viscaria,
I thought it was (cis) men who produced the most sex milk?
… I’ll get my coat.
Badum dum tssh!
Sorry to hear that you are feeling so poorly, wordsp1nner 🙁 You too, Katz. And anyone else under the weather. *Starts ladeling soup*
*Sticks head in*
Hmm… Nope, still haven’t Gone Their Own Way, I see. Just checking.
*Leaves, muttering to himself something about false advertising*
RE: Lea
Whenever my husband seems to be enjoying sex too much, I stop what I’m doing and say, “Show some decorum! You are ruining sex with all your gluttonous pleasure!
Yup, this is totally what I tell my husband. What a gourmand!
RE: Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Basically, they want to take the first scoop of peanut butter out of the new jar, then throw the rest of it away.
Okay, so this made my brain jump a few trains, from “woman as consumable object” to “people as consumable objects, ala capitalism gone wrong” to “really shitty economic theories applied to individual humans.” Has anyone else ever encountered that train wreck of WTFery that is Ladder Theory? If David hasn’t covered it, I’m tempted to rec it to him…
RE: cloudiah
Also, I am the lucky person who just got to meet kittehserf in person. We had fun! She’s just as hilarious in person as she is here.
So much envy! But it’s honestly best I stayed home last week, my brain was sending up all the red flags. At least I got the commission to her! (After a couple confusions.)
Appreciated. I’m just sad I missed meeting people 🙁 But nobody would have been happy if I was there, believe me.
Wordsp1nner, feel better soon.
I cannot even articulate how fucking angry language like this makes me. It is inhumanely disgusting to the point where I could just NOPE my way right off the planet, and the fact that it’s so fucking common makes me feel like projectile vomiting in the face of anyone who has ever said these things.
RE: katz
You and I can be health fail buddies, even if the reasons for our inability to meet-up were completely different. 🙁
Ladder Theory! It’s old but still worth some mockery, imo.
RE: cassandrakitty
I totally think it’s worth it. (And I’m not just saying that because of the poor white geek boy who tried to use it on me to claim he’d never find love WHILE HE WAS DATING MY SISTER.)