Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
@cassandrakitty & hellkell: No, I haven’t met the legendary beasts of ye olden times. I have understood they were at least entertaining?
This one is just tedious, and approximately 92,34 % pure entitlement (yes, I just pulled that percentage from my ass). Now he’s at least showing signs of utter detachment from reality with his “Thanks, Obama!” creed on the other thread. Is it meltdown time yet?
This current crop of conspiracy theorists are so unoriginal, none of them can compete with Antz and his fear that feminists are trying to stop the development of sexbots, or his plan to split the country into single-sex halves along the Mississippi.
Nobody wants to plant their seed in a garbage dump… but seeds don’t grow in sterilized dirt either.
Hang around a while, Anachronist. The massive entitlement these guys have is beyond comprehension, sometimes.
This is the person who truly believes that cheating is worse than rape sometimes, and that tv shows and works of fiction can be used as evidence for sweeping proclamations about human nature.
Seeing as you haven’t addressed any particular person or post, I’d say that’s more typical of YOU, RandomPester.
Thank you for the compliment but really: Citation needed.
@Anarchonist We should admit though that for every hilarious comment from the trolls of yore, you had to wade through 20 banal ones. But at least there was the hope that eventully they’d come out with a total classic.
OMG, just checked out Weeping Cock. What a goldmine of scat pr0n…er, shitty erotica!
HA! Do a search for David K. Meller and prepare to have your mind blown.
RE: Kittehs
we dubbed the hero Wide Guy for obvious reasons.
I’m more fascinated by the random old woman in the hot air balloon…
RE: cassandrakitty
Time to put in a plug for one of my favorite sites again. http://weepingcock.livejournal.com/
OH MY GOD I HAVE POSTED STUFF THERE. It’s what I did to cleanse my mind of the g0y porn.
RE: RandomPoster
Wow, shoot first, aim later, huh?
Thought you were leaving? Also, YOU’RE the one who keeps talking about how he won’t bang “real women” anymore.
I’m not the only one laughing at “shoot first, aim later” in the context of a conversation about Weeping Cock, right?
Speaking of shooting:
“I once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. But I got distracted and I missed it.” -KITH
LOLnope.
@Kittehserf – thanks for that link. Those covers are so awful, they are funny.
And, yes, I can enjoy reading some bad writing, from time to time, so long as I can *escape* it, and don’t have to be supportive of the writer. I actually read the ENTIRE saga of “My Immortal,” the vampire/Harry Potter “fanfic” which is probably one of the worst in the world. It was hilarious, especially because she took it all so seriously.
@Anarchonist – Thanks for giving me some warm fuzzes on a cold, wet day. My Dad loved puns, and reading your post made me think fondly of his memory. He would have loved it. I can’t really think of a come-back right now, but I think you have the bases pretty well covered for dentist puns.
@Bina – It wasn’t just that she had blue eyes. She was using them, actively looking around the room. They were mentioned, because she was “being active.” OK, fine. But, like the words “the,” “a,” and “is,” some words may be repeated as many times as you need them to make the writing clear. If she had just stuck with “eyes,” and picked a single shade of blue, mentioning it only now and again, it would have been fine.
On second thought, the plot stunk and the characters were nearly ONE dimensional. So, no. It wouldn’t have been fine. But it would have been a lot less awful. Plot and character can be fixed, but no one could see them, for all the eye-gouging-worthy, painful writing. Truly, without the linguistic-gymnastic flops, it would have been merely boring.
Also, I never really understood why we *need* so many euphemisms for “penis.” Just say penis, already, and move along. Tell us what he’s doing with it, and whether or not that’s actually accomplishing the desired result. Yeah, sometimes I like to dig out my “fluff novels” to read for some guilty pleasure, or point-and-laugh “this is how you don’t do it, kids,” education.
Seriously, I have a collection of bad examples that I will consult from time to time, when I’m stuck on my own writing. Fixing what I see there can spark creative fixes for my own writing.
In my mind, the best sex scenes are the ones that are so clearly written, your mind doesn’t waste a single brain cell trying to parse the meaning, but just jumps right into the description, and experiences the sensations, vicariously, without any distraction or interruptions from the “pulsing manhoods” and “throbbing womanly cores” and the like. If I have to stop and re-read a sentence to figure out what just happened, then I’m completely turned off.
@ – Oh, shoot! I forgot who asked us to raise our hands, but both of mine are raised up hight! Ouch, my shoulder.
@cassandrakitty – OMG! That link is so awesome! Also, I literally hurt myself laughing at the very first paragraph. OK, I was already hurting, because on my way home from physical therapy, I had to stop and wrestle four garbage cans out of the river that was my street, before they caused a major traffic hazard on my cross-street. So, any laughter hurts right now. But ZOMGROFLBBQ!!!! That is horrible! Thanks so much. I’m bookmarking it as a favorite!
Re: cougars – If the men are old enough to be actual MEN (legal), and not boys, then they are old enough to make up their own minds about who they want to love and/or have sex with. If you don’t like it, blame the men for choosing the older women, not the older women for being attractive.
As if it’s any of your business, anyway, who other people hook up with.
@Marie – you can use that to good effect, if you do it right. For example, everyone “says,” except for the one character who “grunts” everything.
I learned that the hard way, of course, for I, too – alas! – was once a writer who used too much flowery verbiage in my dialogue tags. I hang my head in shame to think of those days.
@ Michelle
I probably should have warned people what that site was going to be about, huh?
On the cougar thing, isn’t it funny how angry dudebros keep trying to create an equivalency between older women who date 20-something men who in many cases are the ones who did the pursuing, and older men who’re pretty much hanging around the gates of the local middle school asking kids if they want to see some puppies that they have in their van? Like, hey, dislike the idea of young but adult men dating older women if you want, but let’s not pretend it’s the same thing as your creepy ass hitting on kids whose lives still feature concepts like “curfew” and “allowance”.
@Weirwoodtreehugger – From now on, I will think of him as “The Almighty Bunghole!”
Thanks for that!
@michelle
Yeah, but this was a book wide disaster. 😉
@hellkell – “Yeah, this troll wishes he could rise to the level of an NWO, Antz, or DKM.”
Hey, David, do you think we could have a “Troll Commenters Greatest Hits” post, for us newbies? Pleeeease?
@cassandrakitty – “Antz and his fear that feminists are trying to stop the development of sexbots”
Seriously? Man, I think the development of sexbots can’t come soon enough! Get these MGTOW some sexbots, and maybe they’ll be willing to leave us women alone!
@michelle
I think there is a ‘book o learning’ about NWO’s greatest hits. And the Biography of Pell. Those are the only two I know, but I’ll try to dig them up for you 🙂
LBT, thanks for the link to your masterful takedown of g0y porn. Those human males* have more issues than National Geographic.
*As Rumdum Pestilence would put it.
WWTH:
I know! We all had the same reaction looking at it in the hotel the other day – we were screeching laughing at Armless Granny and Wide Guy. And there are much, much worse covers in there …
::blushes:: Thank ‘ee!
cassandra:
::dies::
Nope!
@cassandrakitty – LOL! Not the only one, no.
@Lea – LOL!