Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
Oh my god. The talk of teenagers just reminded me of something!
Our rapist actually did grab us at sixteen, and part of it seemed to be because adults wouldn’t tolerate him, especially women. He seemed to think us pure and innocent, not like those [CENSORED]!
We got away from him by going to a Harvard high school program over the summer. He carried on constantly, bellyaching about his fears that we would meet some hot well-hung oil magnate at Harvard or something and leave him. He was seriously neurotic we’d find someone “better” than him!
My sister was the one dating him, but his bellyaching only increased when he found out that among the guys she found attractive, black guys had a pretty good representation. Suddenly he seemed convince she would meet some fabulously wealthy gorgeously nerdy black guy with glasses and dump him.
Of course, we discovered that nobody was better than him. Literally. Being alone was superior than dating him. So we dumped him for nobody. And lived happily ever after.
Seriously, what is it WITH these creepers and racism? Gross.
I am quite happy these men have chosen to go there own way, because from what they sound like online, they would only hurt those who are near them. So… Hurray for MGTOWs, I say! I will gladly support your decisions to stay away from all of us, because we kind of don’t want you around anyway! XD
RE: Buttercup Q. Skullpants
How would he know a woman is fertile unless she’s had a previous pregnancy? Which would require her to have had previous sex.
Oh, they have bullshit ideas like big boobs and blond hair = fertility. Basically, it’s them making whatever pleases their boner some evopsych sign of fertility. Women who like buttsex are showing their fertility! That kind of crap.
It’s really baffling why they care so much.
LIQUID FUCKING GOLD. Seriously, I think they’re under the impression that putting semen in someone is like licking your food before you put it in the common fridge. It’ll prove its yours and keep anyone else from touching it.
And FURTHERMORE
It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
You know how I mentioned my husband was a rake, back in the day? Well, for a while, yeah, I’m pretty sure having good sex was one of his greatest pleasures in life.
And what’s wrong with that? Why am I supposed to go, “ew, look at you, ENJOYING YOURSELF, you sicken me”? I mean, he spent a good few years trying to get better and better and more fun to have sex with… and I’m supposed to be DISGUSTED by that? Why? I’m reaping the rewards!
Also, what a surprise, this guy has never heard of feederism. What a shock.
I can think of some famous whores from history who were very highly sought after and turned out to be amazing “investments”.
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/4-mistresses-who-changed-history
I can’t recall her name, but didn’t one king’s mistress finance his wars for him?
This MGHOW declares that all women will be “whores” if they are not controlled by men. So, yeah, these guys want a girl barely out of her first training bra to fuck, control and most likely abuse. The only men I have ever met who acted as if their wife/gf was screwing every man she could get her hands on behind his back were abusers.
TW:
Women and girls have told me of abusive men who would not allow them to shower or comb their hair, because it was a sign that she was a slut and trying to attract other men. That’s exactly how these men talk about women. They need them young and impressionable to brainwash and control them, just like those creepy cults in AZ that let old men “marry” little girls. A person has to be groomed to accept that kind of relationship as “normal”.
I hat
Blockquote>”People who enjoy things are the worst!”
Especially to have sex with, amirite?
Whenever my husband seems to be enjoying sex too much, I stop what I’m doing and say, “Show some decorum! You are ruining sex with all your gluttonous pleasure! What? You want to do it again? I told you once a month was sufficient! That’s it. I’m leaving you”.
Oh…wait…no I don’t.
It makes me thinks that sex with one of these guys would be easy to not be overly enthusiastic about.
You know who I like to cook for? People who enjoy what I cook.
My blockquote-fu is weak.
I can just imagine guys like him trying to have the talk. “So can I have your #? Your sex partner count, that is.”
They also never seem to mention the idea that these young girls they are trying to snatch away from her mother’s bosom, might grow up and want to explore what else is out there. Sure, he might be able to marry her….but how long will she stay?
(Gah that was a mistake) I hate how these guys always talk about single moms in such a bad way. None of them ever bash single dads, probably because those poor guys got screwed over by a gold digger (or something like that). But god forbid a single mom crosses your path, lest you desire a life filled with unhappiness and overall bad luck.
Emperor Justinian’s throne was saved because of Theodora, the whore he married.
I guess it’s a good thing for him that he didn’t instinctively “know” she was a bad investment.
Ick. Ick. Ick. Ick. Ick. (I wish I had something more coherent to say, but after reading those quotes, my only thoughts are: 1) Why won’t they go their own way? Really? and 2) I feel I need to bathe now.)
Oh dear, wait until the MRAs get a hold of that.
“Bastard womb turd.” Ah, the miracle of new life.
Seriously? TDG just referred to a child as a “womb turd.” That’s a pretty big humanity fail there.
Raging sexual insecurity and racism. This mister is the total package. I wonder why he’s alone.
Yup. Totally that. Who else is “young, attractive and fertile”? Certainly not any sow over the age of 21. [/sarcasm]
These guys must hang around outside of purity balls, waiting to pry those girls away from their daddies. Or fantasize about it, since they’re obviously scared to death of actually doing anything and finding out that their preconceived ideas are 100% WRONG.
“bastard whom turds” = children men won’t claim.
See children are only wonderful miracles that women should be forced to bear when men want them to. A woman’s fertility is desirable only if it is controlled by a man.
That’s funny, because I’ve been given the opportunity on numerous occasions, and never took the guy up on it. Funny dat! A woman who cannot and will not be bought. I guess I’m not really a woman after all.
I suppose it is good to see one of these guys actually admit they don’t like the idea of being compared to past partners and falling short. The thing is, most people probably have insecurities about how they are in bed and what they look like naked. It doesn’t excuse turning to bigotry. If these guys are worried they aren’t up to snuff, they could always work on being responsive to their partners and learn to communicate better. That’s probably asking way too much though.
And really, if these guys want to talk about “poor investments”, they should take a long hard look in the mirror.
I try not to psychologize online, but this sort of thing (the OP) makes me wonder how these men feel about their mothers. ‘Cause dayum this is deeply truly ick. It’s like the hetero NAMBLA, except nobody treats them like pariahs.
Well, we do, but you knew that.
bina,
LOL! Clearly, we aren’t REAL women. We’re fembots or ferrets in a David suit or something. These men who avoid women so much that they have a social club online dedicated to how much they avoid women know for reals what women are like. They are authorities on the subject. So, we must only believe we’re women. It’s a cleverly constructed illusion.
Oh snap, did I just take the red pill?
If I crap out a lion, I’ll know I did.
Robert: I’ve often wondered what the misters think of the women in their lives, if they’re somehow exempt from their “all women are awful” thinking.
These guys have no idea how to science. You have to establish if there is evidence for a claim before you can work out why it happens. They just skip over “do men prefer women who are chaste?” to “WHY do men prefer women who are chaste?”
And even through he phrased it as “is it society or biology?” they all seem to jump on the biology bandwagon. Was there much support for the society side that David didn’t quote?
@Robert: They probably think their mothers never had sex. Or at the very least that it was just once per child and she didn’t enjoy it.