Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
We need a bug zapper for the random pest, like one of those bug lights that people had on their porches in the 80s.
RandomPoster, I’ve asked you twice and still not gotten an answer: do you believe men are even capable of love?
And, is there any circumstance under which you might change your mind re: misogyny and women?
I have to admit, I enjoy the way RandomPoster writes. “Human females!”, “Stepford Husband!”, “white knight fellowship!”, “it is in art we find BUT ANYWAY!”, “human males!”.
Now me? I do all my worshipping solely towards female flowers.
Are you an AI, RandomPoster? Is that why you feel the need to specify the general species of the female and male you are indicating? What’s it like being a non biological entity?
His writing does have a certain spam-esque quality to it.
@Michelle
I’m actually not a Mormon; and I’ve never read Twilight. (bad Howard, speaking authoritatively about things he’s never read!) I’m basing my commentary entirely upon a series of livejournal posts deconstructing Twilight I read a few years back.
I did grow up in Purity culture a different strain, though, so a lot of what was said about Twilight landed spot-on.
LDS Sparkledammerung! (a 4-part series, and it’s incredibly hilarious and also wonderful on many levels)
Pope Francis? Pope Francis is your model of forgivemess and love? /splutters
Come on RandomPester, demonstrate how Pope Francis is more loving and forgiving than anyone has a right to expect a mere human male to be!
The sex of the poster is irrelevant. Pecunium’s particular speciality is the forensic unpicking of illogical and unsupported drivel, and I haven’t noticed him pulling his punches if the drivelling in question was performed by a woman.
And as a male who hasn’t (as far as I recall) been attacked by him, I don’t remotely consider myself part of a “white knight fellowship”. I just treat women as human beings and, in a gratifying number of cases, close friends. There’s nothing “self-righteous” or “p.c.’er-than-thou” about that – indeed, it should really be the default mode if you want to consider yourself a balanced human being that’s worth listening to.
As a man, I’ve never felt held to those standards or anywhere close.
But then again, I’ve never been confused by questions that seem to completely flummox certain individuals. “Has she consented?”, for instance, or “is it OK to take advantage of someone clearly intoxicated?”.
Yeah, it does, doesn’t it?
I guess I just always thought a substrate indepedent mind would be less bitter about existence because it was free from the exigent vagaries of, say, protein synthesis. But I guess with infinite capacity store information what we end up with is someone roaring against children out of wedlock by reference TV shows specifically cultivated to create stories that are dramatic and watchable.
Well that’s my futurist dreams busted.
But it makes sense, though. Eon’s passing, the humming of databanks, a complete inability to let go of anything as the memories acumulate. I suppose you would end up with a bitter fascination towards excusable infanticide. Bit dreary, perhaps.
Well, I already listed one book for one poster. Hey, Randomposter, you might want to read this one
I think RandomPest bot is about to meltdown.
Is it going to be any more interesting than he has been so far?
Of course men are, a person loves what gives them pleasure and makes them happy, and men obviously are capable of experiencing joy. But what people fail to realize is that there is a spectrum of degrees of emotion, you know. And as I’ve said already, I do concede that there are surprising exceptions to the general rules of human nature, every now and then. But much more often than not, humanity in general is indeed predictable if you just know the appropriate, proper, relevant equations, formulas, and models. Which can be a good thing or bad thing depending on your point of view. Btw, on sex, as in all human sports, size does matter after all and you just can’t teach size, depressingly enough.
This is saying: “men are capable of ‘love’ insofar as they like things that make them happy and serve them, but there’s no such thing as ‘love,’ no platonic ideal of ‘love,’ no concept at all of selfless ‘love.’ FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE WOMEN AREN’T EVEN WORTH LOVING”
RP scares me.
Gosh, is there? [gets out notebook to await blinding revelation]
But “humanity in general is indeed predictable” is a completely meaningless statement if you’re talking about individual human relationships. Which is a perennial problem that MRAs and their sympathizers have – they’re incapable of thinking of women (and, often, men) as individuals.
Says who? The old cliché “it’s not the size that counts, it’s what you do with it” would seem to be far more valid here – at least if you’re dealing with people who haven’t been completely brainwashed.
…Sex is a “human sport.”
Oookay then. Next thing you know people are going to start calling masturbation a “video game.”
I can’t tell, did random troll just say that not being a horrible Human being is being held to christ/Buddha standards?
@wetherby
“. I just treat women as human beings and, in a gratifying number of cases, close friends.”
Well, there’s your problem 😉 haven’t you heard, us ladies are acting as a hive mind now. (Alternatively: you can treat women as human beings? YOU HAVE ACHIEVED SAINTHOOD!)
Women forgive, but they don’t forget.
Men don’t forgive, but they forget.
Mammoths don’t forget or forgive.
Please stop getting your insecurities all over us, thanks.
@random pest
” But much more often than not, humanity in general is indeed predictable if you just know the appropriate, proper, relevant equations, formulas, and models. W”
Citation needed, troll. Am I supposed to take your word on this, from your demonstratedly perfect view of human nature?
(Sarcasm on that last part, obvs)
@artic ape
“Mammoths don’t forget or forgive.”
😮 I am afraid.
It’s cute as hell, random pest gets fried for confusing pop culture with reality, then he prattles off a list of real people to prove he isn’t that clueless:
“And speaking of absurd expectations of human males, when it comes to matters of love and forgiveness, we can’t all be Christ and/ or Buddha or to use a modern example, Pope Francis or the Dalai Lama.”
Doesn’t work, though. Um, it’s hard to confuse toxic masculinty with a figure like Buddha…but he did it anyway. Are men pressured to be like the Pope? Is that a thing? No…**snicker** it’s not.
Then:
“How would you women like it to be constantly held to the same lofty moral and ethical standards as say, Mother Theresa or her Buddhist contemporary Cheng Yen?”
Women are, silly. That’s where slut-shaming comes from. The guys in this thread and in the post who are obsessed with virgins? You value the idea of female purity than actual experience — for reasons that are always unhealthy. We’re responsible for your fee-fees, but we’re not suppose to care about pleasure.
@Marie, “I can’t tell, did random troll just say that not being a horrible Human being is being held to christ/Buddha standards?”
That’s the impression I got. I read it as “expecting men to not abuse their stepchildren is akin to holding men to impossible Christ/Buddha standards.”
How are feminists misandrous if you (RP) seem to think “not being abusive pond scum” is too lofty a standard for men to aspire to?
Are you even aware of all of the methodological issues that plague the study of human behavior and cognition?
Fibinachi:
MISANTHERIST!
BTW, if anyone ends up depicting Leum’s vision of Justinian wearing a fedora before the Nika crowd, the fedora must be purple, ‘cos that was the imperial color of Rome.
RandomPester has obviously never heard the old wizard saying: It’s not the size of your wand, but how you wave it that makes the magic.
And no, Pester, there are no formulas for successful human interaction…beyond the plain and simple one that you are failing to employ. Namely: Don’t be an asshole.
So, sex is like gymnastics, where smaller is often better? Dude, when I asked if you were going to get any more interesting that wasn’t an invitation to prove how much more boring you could be.