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No one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump: MGTOWers explain why they prefer "chaste" women

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Uh oh.

Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.

Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”

For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.

Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;

Why do men want women that are chaste…?

I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…

Thoughts gentlemen…?

Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject.  (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)

ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:

Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.

Multishadow brought in biology:

[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.

Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.

And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.

That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?

Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:

Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town.

Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.

Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:

From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.

In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.

Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:

Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?

Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:

I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”

Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.

And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.

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Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Random troll referenced Howard the Duck.
Holy fucking shit, dude, get better pop culture references.

Hello to all the Human Women out there. Any of you pleased Random Troll is swearing off us? **raises hand**

>does best Sweathog imitation< Oh! Me-me-ME!!!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Time to put in a plug for one of my favorite sites again.

http://weepingcock.livejournal.com/

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

i had to laugh at the potshot to cougars. mgtow’s must harbor a special, secret, seething hatred for older women who date younger men. i’m 40 & have dated younger men for years. these mgtow losers truly lack imagination if they can’t fathom the intense compatibility of younger men with older women. it must just eat them up inside. lulz

Preach! I’m in my mid-40s, and my best luck was always with younger men. Oh hell, the first guy I ever slept with was four years younger than me. (I was a late bloomer in that respect, so he was plenty legal.)

I’ve had just two boyfriends who were older than me, and somehow, it always felt a wee bit wrong. We were never on the same wavelength. And neither of them was even of the “old enough to be my father” range, either.

I guess I’m just meant for younger guys, and that’s fine by me. They seem to like me just fine, too.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@michelle

Another one had taken the “don’t repeat a word on the same page” to heart.

That reminds me so much of younger me writing. I was convinced it’d look super redundant to use ‘said’ as a dialogue tag often, so I ended up using ‘murmered’ and ‘muttered’ and ‘grunted’ all the time. My early writing was preetttyy bad.

@shiraz

Hello to all the Human Women out there. Any of you pleased Random Troll is swearing off us? **raises hand**

I certainly didn’t shed any tears.

@anarchonist

Great, another dental hygiene warrior. Getting a little gum-hurt, are we? Why don’t you care about real tissues? You’re stepping on my free teeth!

::snickers::

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

Cassandra, thanks for the link. Glad I wasn’t eating or drinking anything when I looked.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@Randompester, I read the comments, just not the name of the particular troll postin. It was boring bullshit. I couldn’t differentiate from your special brand of boring bullshit. So sue me.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

@ Robert

I am to please! Well, not the trolls, but you know what I mean.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Or aim, even. Coffee now.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@cassandrakitty, you came perilous to what I suspect is an MRAs definition of a woman’s existence:

“I please, therefore I am.”

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Seems to be MEZ’s definition too, amusingly enough.

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Signed

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

wrong thread. 🙂

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Kittehserf

Somewhat OT, have you heard of a site called Lousy Book Covers? It’s priceless. Google it, it’s great for a laugh. This woeful effort was on there – we dubbed the hero Wide Guy for obvious reasons.

Why is there a lady in a way too small hot air balloon in the background? I almost spit my pomegranate green tea at the screen! It just does not compute. I’ll have to check the site out.

Speaking of checking sites out, I finally looked at your blog. It’s so cute! I don’t mean that in a condescending way of course, it’s legit adorable.

RandomPoster
RandomPoster
7 years ago

Wow, shoot first, aim later, huh? Typical feminist.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I think someone needs to confiscate Random’s Starbucks card and put him in timeout.

Ally S
7 years ago

:: yawn ::

suri
suri
7 years ago

That’s the best you can come with?
Typical misoygynist…

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

He’s like the virulent misogynist version of Cornholio

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

suri
suri
7 years ago

Said he’s done with women but still comes here to deal with women..
Typical misogynist…

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
7 years ago

So wait, let me get this straight.

RandomPoster (referred from here on as RP) walks into the comment section of a blog mocking misogynists. RP starts sprouting misogynist crap. He is mocked for it, and his talking points are addressed. Multiple times. RP doesn’t care, ignores other commenters, responds to next to none of the rebuttals, prefers instead to latch onto the fact that he is confused with another troll. Then, ironically enough, claims feminists don’t pay attention before opening their mouths.

Wow. Just wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such blatant sense of entitlement from anybody. I’m pretty sure RandomPoster has no understanding of the concept of irony, or he really, honestly thinks he’s more important than everyone else.

(sarcasm) Especially the women he so loathes, since MEN don’t need to listen to feeeemales, but feeeemales should always pay attention to a MAN, amirite?).(/sarcasm)

That is setting the bar high for the next troll trying their hardest to show why feminism is still needed.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

Clearly you haven’t seen the great trolls of yore. This one is a mere speck on the windshield of virulent misogyny in comparison.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Yeah, this troll wishes he could rise to the level of an NWO, Antz, or DKM.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

Yeah, this troll wishes he could rise to the level of an NWO, Antz, or DKM.

Hey, is it my fault you evil feminists drove off those fine gentlemen before I could get here? Maybe if you had been nicer to them they would still be here making us rethink our evil, evil ways!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

If only we’d subscribed to the One True FeMEZism NWO might have joined NOW.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
7 years ago

@cassandrakitty & hellkell: No, I haven’t met the legendary beasts of ye olden times. I have understood they were at least entertaining?

This one is just tedious, and approximately 92,34 % pure entitlement (yes, I just pulled that percentage from my ass). Now he’s at least showing signs of utter detachment from reality with his “Thanks, Obama!” creed on the other thread. Is it meltdown time yet?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

This current crop of conspiracy theorists are so unoriginal, none of them can compete with Antz and his fear that feminists are trying to stop the development of sexbots, or his plan to split the country into single-sex halves along the Mississippi.

vaiyt
7 years ago

Nobody wants to plant their seed in a garbage dump… but seeds don’t grow in sterilized dirt either.

sparky
sparky
7 years ago

Wow. Just wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such blatant sense of entitlement from anybody.

Hang around a while, Anachronist. The massive entitlement these guys have is beyond comprehension, sometimes.

I’m pretty sure RandomPoster has no understanding of the concept of irony, or he really, honestly thinks he’s more important than everyone else.

This is the person who truly believes that cheating is worse than rape sometimes, and that tv shows and works of fiction can be used as evidence for sweeping proclamations about human nature.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

Wow, shoot first, aim later, huh? Typical feminist.

Seeing as you haven’t addressed any particular person or post, I’d say that’s more typical of YOU, RandomPester.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

Typical feminist.

Thank you for the compliment but really: Citation needed.

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@Anarchonist We should admit though that for every hilarious comment from the trolls of yore, you had to wade through 20 banal ones. But at least there was the hope that eventully they’d come out with a total classic.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

OMG, just checked out Weeping Cock. What a goldmine of scat pr0n…er, shitty erotica!

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Hey, is it my fault you evil feminists drove off those fine gentlemen before I could get here? Maybe if you had been nicer to them they would still be here making us rethink our evil, evil ways!

HA! Do a search for David K. Meller and prepare to have your mind blown.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Kittehs

we dubbed the hero Wide Guy for obvious reasons.

I’m more fascinated by the random old woman in the hot air balloon…

RE: cassandrakitty

Time to put in a plug for one of my favorite sites again. http://weepingcock.livejournal.com/

OH MY GOD I HAVE POSTED STUFF THERE. It’s what I did to cleanse my mind of the g0y porn.

RE: RandomPoster

Wow, shoot first, aim later, huh?

Thought you were leaving? Also, YOU’RE the one who keeps talking about how he won’t bang “real women” anymore.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

I’m not the only one laughing at “shoot first, aim later” in the context of a conversation about Weeping Cock, right?

Lea
Lea
7 years ago

Speaking of shooting:
“I once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. But I got distracted and I missed it.” -KITH

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

I’m not the only one laughing at “shoot first, aim later” in the context of a conversation about Weeping Cock, right?

LOLnope.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@Kittehserf – thanks for that link. Those covers are so awful, they are funny.

And, yes, I can enjoy reading some bad writing, from time to time, so long as I can *escape* it, and don’t have to be supportive of the writer. I actually read the ENTIRE saga of “My Immortal,” the vampire/Harry Potter “fanfic” which is probably one of the worst in the world. It was hilarious, especially because she took it all so seriously.

@Anarchonist – Thanks for giving me some warm fuzzes on a cold, wet day. My Dad loved puns, and reading your post made me think fondly of his memory. He would have loved it. I can’t really think of a come-back right now, but I think you have the bases pretty well covered for dentist puns.

@Bina – It wasn’t just that she had blue eyes. She was using them, actively looking around the room. They were mentioned, because she was “being active.” OK, fine. But, like the words “the,” “a,” and “is,” some words may be repeated as many times as you need them to make the writing clear. If she had just stuck with “eyes,” and picked a single shade of blue, mentioning it only now and again, it would have been fine.

On second thought, the plot stunk and the characters were nearly ONE dimensional. So, no. It wouldn’t have been fine. But it would have been a lot less awful. Plot and character can be fixed, but no one could see them, for all the eye-gouging-worthy, painful writing. Truly, without the linguistic-gymnastic flops, it would have been merely boring.

Also, I never really understood why we *need* so many euphemisms for “penis.” Just say penis, already, and move along. Tell us what he’s doing with it, and whether or not that’s actually accomplishing the desired result. Yeah, sometimes I like to dig out my “fluff novels” to read for some guilty pleasure, or point-and-laugh “this is how you don’t do it, kids,” education.

Seriously, I have a collection of bad examples that I will consult from time to time, when I’m stuck on my own writing. Fixing what I see there can spark creative fixes for my own writing.

In my mind, the best sex scenes are the ones that are so clearly written, your mind doesn’t waste a single brain cell trying to parse the meaning, but just jumps right into the description, and experiences the sensations, vicariously, without any distraction or interruptions from the “pulsing manhoods” and “throbbing womanly cores” and the like. If I have to stop and re-read a sentence to figure out what just happened, then I’m completely turned off.

@ – Oh, shoot! I forgot who asked us to raise our hands, but both of mine are raised up hight! Ouch, my shoulder.

@cassandrakitty – OMG! That link is so awesome! Also, I literally hurt myself laughing at the very first paragraph. OK, I was already hurting, because on my way home from physical therapy, I had to stop and wrestle four garbage cans out of the river that was my street, before they caused a major traffic hazard on my cross-street. So, any laughter hurts right now. But ZOMGROFLBBQ!!!! That is horrible! Thanks so much. I’m bookmarking it as a favorite!

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

Re: cougars – If the men are old enough to be actual MEN (legal), and not boys, then they are old enough to make up their own minds about who they want to love and/or have sex with. If you don’t like it, blame the men for choosing the older women, not the older women for being attractive.

As if it’s any of your business, anyway, who other people hook up with.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@Marie – you can use that to good effect, if you do it right. For example, everyone “says,” except for the one character who “grunts” everything.

I learned that the hard way, of course, for I, too – alas! – was once a writer who used too much flowery verbiage in my dialogue tags. I hang my head in shame to think of those days.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
7 years ago

@ Michelle

I probably should have warned people what that site was going to be about, huh?

On the cougar thing, isn’t it funny how angry dudebros keep trying to create an equivalency between older women who date 20-something men who in many cases are the ones who did the pursuing, and older men who’re pretty much hanging around the gates of the local middle school asking kids if they want to see some puppies that they have in their van? Like, hey, dislike the idea of young but adult men dating older women if you want, but let’s not pretend it’s the same thing as your creepy ass hitting on kids whose lives still feature concepts like “curfew” and “allowance”.

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@Weirwoodtreehugger – From now on, I will think of him as “The Almighty Bunghole!”

Thanks for that!

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@michelle

@Marie – you can use that to good effect, if you do it right. For example, everyone “says,” except for the one character who “grunts” everything.

Yeah, but this was a book wide disaster. 😉

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@hellkell – “Yeah, this troll wishes he could rise to the level of an NWO, Antz, or DKM.”

Hey, David, do you think we could have a “Troll Commenters Greatest Hits” post, for us newbies? Pleeeease?

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@cassandrakitty – “Antz and his fear that feminists are trying to stop the development of sexbots”

Seriously? Man, I think the development of sexbots can’t come soon enough! Get these MGTOW some sexbots, and maybe they’ll be willing to leave us women alone!

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@michelle

I think there is a ‘book o learning’ about NWO’s greatest hits. And the Biography of Pell. Those are the only two I know, but I’ll try to dig them up for you 🙂

Robert
Robert
7 years ago

LBT, thanks for the link to your masterful takedown of g0y porn. Those human males* have more issues than National Geographic.

*As Rumdum Pestilence would put it.

kittehserf
7 years ago

WWTH:

Why is there a lady in a way too small hot air balloon in the background? I almost spit my pomegranate green tea at the screen! It just does not compute. I’ll have to check the site out.

I know! We all had the same reaction looking at it in the hotel the other day – we were screeching laughing at Armless Granny and Wide Guy. And there are much, much worse covers in there …

Speaking of checking sites out, I finally looked at your blog. It’s so cute! I don’t mean that in a condescending way of course, it’s legit adorable.

::blushes:: Thank ‘ee!

cassandra:

If only we’d subscribed to the One True FeMEZism NWO might have joined NOW.

::dies::

I’m not the only one laughing at “shoot first, aim later” in the context of a conversation about Weeping Cock, right?

Nope!

Michelle C Young
7 years ago

@cassandrakitty – LOL! Not the only one, no.

@Lea – LOL!