Let’s take another stroll through the strange wonderland of Men Going Their Own Way, that small and bitter tribe of men who boldly declare their independence from women, then spend the rest of their lives obsessively talking about them.
Today, let’s look at the thoughtful discussion that ensued when one such fellow known as TDG asked his Brothers in Going Their Own Way why, of all the women they have Gone Their Own Way from (but not really), they tend to prefer women who are “chaste.”
For women, I’m guessing the main reason they weren’t so slutty before the 1950s, was because of the fear of having a bastard womb turd, but the pill changed all that and now they can have as many dicks as they like.
Now, I wont ever marry again and my ex-wife was a virgin and all that went to shit, but here’s my question;
Why do men want women that are chaste…?
I understand on a visceral level, that if a woman has had too many dicks, I can never care for her more than a cum rag, but I’m curious if that is societal conditioning or something that is innate to men…
Thoughts gentlemen…?
Unsurprisingly, the gentlemen of the MGTOW HQ forum did indeed have many thoughts on the subject. (I’ve bolded the most intriguing bits.)
ManWithAPlan had an economic explanation:
Because by going through the “bad boy” phase, they fuck away their only worth. There are three things I look for in a woman (mainly). Attractiveness, fertility and youth. If a woman is attractive and young, but can’t have kids, most men will treat her as a cum rag. If she’s fertile and young, but not attractive, she’s still no good to most men. If she’s old and attractive, she’s back to being a cougar and a cum rag.
Multishadow brought in biology:
[B]iologically speaking women represent a fertile ground for man to plant his seed, and no one wants to plant his seed in a garbage dump.
Second, a man must work to earn a woman, and then invest in her.. and no man wants to work for what others gain for free, or for what was freely given out in the past. There is also resentment for a female gaining sex freely, when a man must work for it.
And that is the third issue, people in general have a distaste for those who are gluttons for pleasure. … It is one thing to obtain sex when you want it, but if your only purpose in life is laying around having sex.. it is like watching an obese person eat.
That’s right: people who have a lot of sex are basically sex fatties. And no one likes a fatty, right?
Aldenhamil suggested that chaste women were a better bargain for frugal men:
Just having random sex is one thing and any old cum dumpster will usually do, but settling down with a woman, having children, and providing for them is something altogether different. It’s a massive investment of time, energy, and resources. Men naturally lean towards frugality and appreciate getting the most bang for their buck. When it comes to women>children>family, it’s a better bet to invest in a woman who isn’t swinging from every cock in town. …
Men instinctively know that whores make poor long-term investments, but they also instinctively know that all women will become whores if given the opportunity. The whole situation is a bit of a clusterfuck, really. It was a problem for Bronze Age societies, and it’s still a problem long after we’ve managed to put human beings in outer space.
Ghost Rider noted that “chaste” women won’t have had a lot of other guys to compare you to, so chances are good she won’t know how mediocre you are in bed:
From my observations, the more men a woman has been with, the greater the chance that she is carrying at least one torch if not more for some guy that dumped her. I believe the term is alpha widow. Seen quite a few times where a woman dumps hubby to get back with a guy she was carrying a torch for, or at least conduct a torrid affair with the guy when he came a calling.
In addition, she is more likely to get back on the cock carousel trying to recapture what she thought she had when she was younger. Also, a woman who hasn’t ridden the cock carousel is a lot less judgmental in the bedroom because she isn’t comparing you to the hundreds of guys she’s been in the sack with. If you’re an average guy, you’re probably not at the same level as the alpha thug with the huge cock that fucked the shit out of her all night. If you’re dumb enough to get married/remarried, who the hell needs that shit in addition to everything else.
Demonsgate, meanwhile, seems to be more terrified of being judged by other guys than by the women he dates:
Real simple because in my younger days when I walked into a bar or restaurant with a twat I didn’t want all you bastards laughing saying yep we all fucked her and this fool is dating her. Who wants to be that guy?
Mongolking answered TDG’s question with his own question:
I think the larger question is “Why Do We Want Them… At All?”
Given that this discussion is taking place on a forum devoted to Men Going Their Own Way, this seems like a reasonable enough question.
And I’ll give you all an answer: If you hate women so much you regularly describe them as “cum rags,” “cum dumpsters,” “garbage dumps,” “whores,” “twats,” or any of the other horrible things said by guys in this thread about women in the equally awful comments I didn’t quote, you should take that Going Your Own Way shit a little bit more seriously. Go your own way. Go a long way, off a short pier.
MGTOW-ers, just a thought. It’s the modern age. A rag that you keep using – that’s just unhygienic. Get yourself some tissues.
Bastard womb turd. Wow, and these guys think feminists hate children. Eesh.
What creepy-ass little fuckers. I’m so glad I married someone who doesn’t act like sex is a trophy that you have to steal from other people.
How do we fuck it away? Do we just stop functioning after having sex a certain number of times?
I should think the soil in a garbage dump would be pretty fertile, actually.
It’s as if they know nothing about biology. Which…well…
But they DO plant their seeds in garbage dumps. Unless they save it for some reason.
Alpha Widow is the name of my new rock band.
I’d say: Have you considered same-sex relationships?, but, as someone whose first partner was a virgin and was himself one, I can assure you that even if you’ve slept with no-one because you were waiting for the ideal woman of your medieval dreams, I wouldn’t open my mouth for you if you paid me to.
Wait, men don’t like to have sex with women who have sex with so many men?
Then who the fuck is getting all that icky, scary, possibly radioactive and definitely dirty spunk in these fallen women?
Oh, that’s right….guys who are not this guy.
He looks for chastity in women, but he’s going his own way never to marry again?
What does he plan to do with these women? Surely he isn’t going to fuck away their worth? If he isn’t planning on sexing these chaste ladies, why does their sexual history or prospects for good breeding (Because we’re livestock and men evaluate us by how well they can control how and when we’re bred. That’s just science, yo.) have to do with anything?
Gah! There is that weird “Women who touch men get gross and dirty. I, a man, only want women who have never touched another filthy man to touch me” thing again. That’s just all kinds of messed up.
Wait…children of single moms are “womb turds”?
Women with multiple lovers are “cum rags”. So, she’s just a plain ‘ol rag so long as she doesn’t have sex? Is that supposed to be something for girls to aspire to? Why doesn’t his sperm render a woman dirty? Is his LIQUID FUCKING GOLD TOO? 0.o
Meanwhile women are worthless unless men can use them for something? Ew…go your own way, dude. You are nasty.
Meanwhile, congrats to his ex-wife for dumping this jerk.
Aaaaaand THIS is why these guys are destined to be Forever Alone. Now, if they’d only stop kvetching about how no woman wants to schtupp them…
Emily Goddess,
I was just thinking that I plant my seeds in composted kitchen/yard waste and bunny poops. I don’t think these guys know much about gardening.
Can you imagine what a miserable existence this must be, reviling the people you so badly want to bang?
Misogynist heterosexuals, man. How the hell do they work?
This is as ridiculous as that time on a dating advice forum I go to, where there was this guy who had a long posting history of whinging about women, the military, his family, etc. and blaming them for why he can’t get laid. He once said that he wants a chaste woman and can’t stand the thought of having sex with a woman who has been with other men before him because…he was afraid his penis might come in contact with the leftover sperm from the last guy. And he’s NOT GAY, DAMMIT!!
RE: BritterSweet
because…he was afraid his penis might come in contact with the leftover sperm from the last guy.
I just told my husband this, and he basically did this but with both hands.
“That’s what CONDOMS are for, man,” is what he said. Which, seriously dude, is what you’re supposed to be doing anyway. The hell is wrong with you. Also, you realize that the vagina isn’t just some passive hole, right? It’s self-regulating. Things don’t just STAY IN THERE.
I hear your dog whistles, dude. There is that phobia that young black men are going to somehow “steal” the white man’s women again.
Wasn’t there a post earlier about white dudes thinking that women and men of color were teaming up to steal the white man’s masculinity and that’s why women voted for Obama?
What sort of racist, sexist fever dream do these dudes inhabit?
He also seems to be saying: “I’m not very good in bed and experienced women scare me, soooo all *men must be just like me: sexually inadequate and unable to have close, fulfilling relationships with women whom they view as equals. *Except young black men, who also scare me.”
WHUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Lea, well put. There seems to be some weird stealth hatred and loathing of men going on under the surface. Men are so disgusting that women are irreparably damaged by having sex with them. I guess this is why they think women are only after money.
RE: Lea
Yup, those sexual neuroses would resurrect Freud and leave him jibbering with glee!
My husband has gotten AROUND. He has banged more people than I have probably sold comics to. And you know what? Somehow, my ego handles just fine, because he chose to be in a relationship with me, which means I must be really fucking awesome.
Also, I know TONS of poly people. Somehow, they manage to keep their neuroses under control too. Eesh.
Is there anyone anywhere who thinks about ejaculate as much as straight, misogynist men?
Maybe people who breed rare animals for zoos or people who breed racehorses, but that has to be it. These guys are obsessed with semen.
Fun fact: Seeds in garbage dumps are probably how agriculture was invented.
These dumbasses need to stop thinking they can tell by looking at a woman or her vagina how many partners she’s been with. You can sometimes (but not always) tell the difference between a virgin and a non-virgin. That’s it. These guys keep thinking the vagina stretches out a little with each penis. Learn basic biology misters!
Did anyone read this as a creepy justification for adult men pursuing teenage girls. Young, attractive and chaste seems to imply 16 year old virgin to me. Gross 🙁
Hopefully most teenagers have the good sense to stay away from these creepers.
RE: Lea
Well, there are people out there who are really, really into it.
But nobody seems to attach as much moral importance as these guys. Seriously, I worked on a dairy farm, I saw cows being inseminated, but at least they didn’t pontificate on morality about it, just the likelihood of the cow getting pregnant.
zoon echon logon,
I don’t think they’re all that stealthy about it. It isn’t self loathing exactly though, because it is other men who are dirty and shouldn’t be ruining this boys toys by playing with them first. “Women are horrible and awful and so are the men they choose to be with because those men aren’t me” seems to be how the ditty goes.
LBT,
I also know happy poly people and plenty of happy people who were far from their SO’s first lover. I can understand the need for exclusivity in LTR’s. I cannot begin to understand the obsession with being the first and only person to touch someone. I think it is because they don’t want the other boys (or girls) to play with “their” things. Any hint of agency in a woman ruins her for these guys.
Does it involve Nazis? All my fever dreams have been involving Nazis. DO NOT READ WWII LITERATURE WHILE YOU ARE SICK, KIDS.
Yep.
They do and boy are these grown men pissed!
How would he know a woman is fertile unless she’s had a previous pregnancy? Which would require her to have had previous sex.
People who enjoy things are the worst!
LBT – and the dairy farmers actually wanted the cows to get pregnant, right? Unlike MGTOW, who, for all their obsession with fertility, don’t actually want kids or the responsibility of raising them. It’s really baffling why they care so much.