Yesterday Warren Farrell – the intellectual grandfather of the Men’s Rights movement, the man who single-handedly came up with probably half of the terrible arguments that are endlessly rehashed daily in the manosphere – went to Reddit and proclaimed “ask me anything!”
And so we, and a lot of other people, did. And he even answered a couple of the questions I posted here yesterday – though as I sort of suspected he pointedly ignored the questions about his incest research. Still, there were so many astounding things said in that discussion, both by Farrell himself and by his various supporters, that it’s going to take a couple of posts to get to them all.
Let’s just start with the ass question, shall we? Because there was nothing quite so astounding in that whole sprawling thread, or at least the portion of it that I managed to read, as “Dr.” Farrell’s – he has a PhD in political science –answer to the ass question.
![DoloresCruz1982 86 points 22 hours ago (174|87) Why is a woman's butt on the cover of a book about problems faced by males in our society? permalink save report give gold reply [–]warrenfarrell [S] 2 points 20 hours ago (184|182) i assume you're referring to the profile of a woman's rear on the new ebook edition of The Myth of Male Power. first, that was my choice--i don't want to put that off on the publisher! i chose that to illustrate that the heterosexual man's attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain. every heterosexual male knows this. and the sooner men confront the powerlessness of being a prisoner to this instinct, we may earn less money to pay for women's drinks, dinners and diamonds, but we'll have more control over our lives, and therefor more real power. it's in women's interests for me to confront this. many heterosexual women feel imprisoned by men's inability to be attracted to women who are more beautiful internally even if their rear is not perfect.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/warrenbutt.png?resize=528%2C398&ssl=1)
That’s right. Warren Farrell literally believes that heterosexual men are powerless in the face of SEXY FEMALE BUTTS. They are BUTT HYPNOTIZED by women’s shapely buttocks, virtual prisoners to the power of DAT ASS.
Not only that, but they are slaves as well, forced to earn more money than women so that they can “pay for women’s drinks, dinners and diamonds.” Who knew that the wage gap was caused by the ass crack?
We like big butts, and we cannot lie. But that way tyranny, I espy.
Only if men can free themselves from the TYRANNY OF THE BUTT they can “have more control over [their] lives, and therefor [sic] more real power.”
But who will write the new Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of Queen Ass?
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for horny dudes to get rid of the boners which those ladies have caused with their smokin hot dumpers and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the babies who have got back requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation, and that is, ladies we can’t think straight if we’re looking at DAT ASS all the time.
Oh, but “Dr.” Farrell is worried about the ladies, too. I mean, he said so:
it’s in women’s interests for me to confront this. many heterosexual women feel imprisoned by men’s inability to be attracted to women who are more beautiful internally even if their rear is not perfect.
Yes, you’re beautiful on the inside to m….holy crap did you see the ass on HER!?
Now, this isn’t entirely new. As I’ve noted before, Farrell makes a version of this argument in his book, talking about secretaries manipulating their bosses with their “miniskirt power, cleavage power, and flirtation power,” [p. 21] describing “female beauty” as “the world’s most potent drug,” [p. 85], and arguing that “many men feel ‘under the influence’ the moment they see a beautiful woman.” [p. 320]
But these, er, arguments weren’t the central focus of his rambling treatise. Now, at the age of 70, by not only putting a naked ass on the cover of his book, but also by defending it in such ludicrously overblown terms, he’s decided to put this unsolicited update from his penis at the center of his argument about the alleged powerlessness of men.
Yep, the closest thing that the Men’s Rights movement has to an intellectual heavyweight seems to think that the most pressing issue facing men today is how sad and mad and confused they feel because they can’t immediately have sex with every hot piece of ass that walks by (and, presumably, the women attached to these asses).
It’s really hard to find a better symbol of the sexual entitlement – and sexual resentment – that lies at the heart of the Men’s Rights movement than this.
Oh, and by the way, my new book is still available for purchase. So far I have sold no copies. Which might have something to do with the $1000 price tag, and also the fact that I haven’t actually written it. But you’ve got to admit the cover is pretty good.
In case you needed a clearer explanation of the power of women’s bodacious hineys, one Redditor by the name of Doldenberg has scienced things up for us and provided us all this useful graph. First, his brief explanation:
Being a brave Alpha from TRP, I have found the solution to the evident misandrist oppression of men by cute butt owners meaning owners of cute butts, not cute owners of butts, or butt owners of cute, or…, that is, ranking butts on an objective BMV (butt market value) scale. I’ve made the data up in my head, but it seems plausible. According to this data, the butt loses BMV when having sat on to many objects, while it’s cuteness only works as a limiting factor. I have made a handy graph[1] with supporting data and sources to explain my theory.
More brain bleach. The furrinati like to recruit us at a young age don’t they?
We buttches (b*tches) make life really hard for the butt-addled, as(s) the addled cannot be adult when they see butt. Perhaps he thinks our oppression will lead to women butt-ering (battering) men.
Butt if we-whom-the mammoth-was-hunted-for butt in with a rebuttal to his theories, he won’t listen. He will only stare at our butts. Butt that is evidence not of how oppressed we are. (Fancy that, thinking we are oppressed when people judge as by our butts instead of listening to our arguments. Where would we get such an ass-inine idea?) It is, instead, evidence of his oppression. Bummer.
Sexy butts are everywhere, all the time. They’re even on the internet.
So how about men hand over all that power they’re barely holding onto, to women who aren’t so butt-addled. I mean, they talk about how women have PMS brain and this makes them irrational, but that only involves bleeding once a month between certain ages, so we can either put post-menopausal women in charge, or just get everyone who menstruates in a room, synchronise menses, and declare that ‘vacation week’ for all. My plan is flawless.
(These ‘ass made me do it’ men are usually the same guys who complain that ovulation makes women more attracted to alpha males and this justifies them being treating women as potential cheaters while becoming jerks themselves because biotruths. A bit of an overreaction for something that occurs once a month that makes a slight change to preference in some people, and only if hormonal birth control isn’t involved.)
On a more serious note, it seems Farrell subscribes to the school of ‘men must make more per hour because they feel compelled to pay for dates with sexy asses and This is the Way of Things. Fuck that. Pay me my extra 30%, please, because that adds up to a hell of a lot more than a meal once a week, and the convention for The Way of Things is that I then have sex with the man who paid for the meal.
You’re cracking me up, Ally!
That last image pretty much made my day! 😛
I’m a trans woman, though before hormones I had almost no sex drive. Oddly enough, after being on hormones for a year my sex drive has kicked into overdrive. I expected the opposite. It’s both enjoyable and annoying… o_O
What, nobody has made an “ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-ASS!” GIF yet?
@Robert
Wait…you mean I’ve been missing the bathing suit competition portion of papal elections all these years? O.o
(Hugs LBT)
Ugh, those letters. What a perfect example of a predator targeting and grooming a kid. See, lurkers, if you wonder why women are often so protective towards teenagers? This is why.
IMHO, Farrell is a walking paradox. He’s author of one of the Manosphere’s canonical texts, yet sounds whine-y. Robert Glover would likely refer to his writing as “victim pukes”.
It’s not so much the butts that are oppressive. It’s the facts contained therein.
Not seeing the paradox, I’ll be honest.
Shorter Farrell: We are oppressed by the sight of shapely women’s butts, but we won’t just avert our eyes and keep our hands to ourselves, because OPPRESSION. And because shapely buttladies won’t give our sorry asses the time of day unless we dinner-prostitute them, that’s date fraud, and thus more oppression. So we HAVE to make more money and have higher social standing than women, because Dat Ass opresseth us so. Hence, male power is a myth. NOW DO YOU GET IT???
LBT: Hugs. All the hugs.
“Colossal bag of dicks” is an understatement for that guy.
So the rankings are:
most powerful: women with perfect butts
second most powerful but obviously oppressed: men (presumably heterosexual)
oppressed by the above: heterosexual women with imperfect butts
last: all other groups
Thankfully I can use the helpful chart provided previously in the comments to determine where my butt falls on this spectrum. Science!
…this is pretty much the definition of the Manosphere, actually.
LBT, just read that. Wow. Just WOW. That dude was SO fucked up. So glad you got away from him.
And oh, where to start with those messy metaphors? If a pot is about to boil over, you don’t put a lid on it, you TAKE IT OFF THE HEAT. Putting the lid on just traps the heat and pressure inside. Guess he should have learned how to cook for himself, eh? But wait, he’s so incompetent that he’d bleed to death from a pinprick…he said so himself. Ugh.
All the hugs you want, if you want ’em. Hang in there.
I’m going to manipulate you into getting a blowjob from me under the threat of me getting fired.
I’m with my kid right now so I think I’ll wait for a better time to read, although I must admint the very though of those letter scares me.
Thank you for sharing, and big big hugs if you want them!
Diana Adams:
Nah, it’s both. All us other women do exist, but don’t matter. Actually, we just serve to magnify the oppression of men by being feminists that are riding the coattails of our young and sexy sisters. Just like we oppressed men once upon a time when we were young and sexy. Paying it forward, as it were, until all those bonbons caught up with our asses. >.<
@LBT
All the hugs. I couldn’t even finish reading the rest of it, honestly – I found it far more triggering than I expected it to be. It reminded me of so many manipulative abusers in my life. Thank you for sharing.
RE: cassandrakitty
What a perfect example of a predator targeting and grooming a kid.
YUP. And I really wanted to hammer that home, since a lot of people try to pull, “but you were so MATURE, and he was only twenty-one, that’s not a big age gap.” No, I was a child who everyone was trying to groom into a miniature adult. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to treat me like fuckmeat.
RE: hellkell
<em.“Colossal bag of dicks” is an understatement for that guy.
YUP. But I’m the one who probably falsely accused him, by the MRM rhetoric. They really just seem to see trauma responses as “freaking out” purely to inconvenience the mighty penis. Fuck that shit.
RE: Bina
Wow. Just WOW. That dude was SO fucked up. So glad you got away from him.
Yeah, he was a piece of work all right. But don’t worry, I got away from him almost a decade ago, I have a much nicer hubby who’s immeasurably better in all ways, and I have gotten the best revenge by living awesomely.
And yes, you have no idea how much I had to bite my tongue to keep from snarking the sheer incompetence of the writing. Did I mention this guy fancied himself a poet and a writer? Yeah, no. No, bro. You suck.
RE: Luzbelitx
You don’t have to read it if you don’t want to. I repeat what I said to Bina: we got away, we kicked his ass, I got to make him sob like a child and claim I ruined his life, and now I’m with a loving hunky hubby who treats me right and have been happily married for almost five years. He’s ancient history, and I’m happy with how my life is going.
RE: Ally
It’s okay, I don’t blame you. It’s pretty rough shit, and even my snark can only take the edge off so much. I mostly posted it with the hopes that folks can use it to recognize their own abusive situations, or the abusive tendencies within themselves.
@Aylin
I know some other trans women who have similar experiences with hormones.
Also, I’m glad to see a fellow trans woman here! I’m one as well. Here’s your welcome package.
When I was younger I received many complimentary comments about my butt. Where’s my Female Power?
Maybe it’s not as bad as it sounds, since Farrell seems to have a very narrow definition of “attractive”. But seriously, who takes “men only think with their dicks” and turns it onto a great tragedy for men? If this is true, how is it not an argument against male supremacy?
Apex Fallacy!
Not to minimize Canuck’s problem, but taken with the rest of the thread, I read this the wrong way on my first pass.