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Warren Farrell: Men Are Oppressed by Women's Butts

Man being oppressed by female ass power
Man being oppressed by female ass power

Yesterday Warren Farrell – the intellectual grandfather of the Men’s Rights movement, the man who single-handedly came up with probably half of the terrible arguments that are endlessly rehashed daily in the manosphere – went to Reddit and proclaimed “ask me anything!”

And so we, and a lot of other people, did. And he even answered a couple of the questions I posted here yesterday – though as I sort of suspected he pointedly ignored the questions about his incest research. Still, there were so many astounding things said in that discussion, both by Farrell himself and by his various supporters, that it’s going to take a couple of posts to get to them all.

Let’s just start with the ass question, shall we? Because there was nothing quite so astounding in that whole sprawling thread, or at least the portion of it that I managed to read, as “Dr.” Farrell’s – he has a PhD in political science –answer to the ass question.

DoloresCruz1982 86 points 22 hours ago (174|87)  Why is a woman's butt on the cover of a book about problems faced by males in our society?      permalink     save     report     give gold     reply  [–]warrenfarrell [S] 2 points 20 hours ago (184|182)  i assume you're referring to the profile of a woman's rear on the new ebook edition of The Myth of Male Power. first, that was my choice--i don't want to put that off on the publisher!  i chose that to illustrate that the heterosexual man's attraction to the naked body of a beautiful woman takes the power out of our upper brain and transports it into our lower brain. every heterosexual male knows this. and the sooner men confront the powerlessness of being a prisoner to this instinct, we may earn less money to pay for women's drinks, dinners and diamonds, but we'll have more control over our lives, and therefor more real power.  it's in women's interests for me to confront this. many heterosexual women feel imprisoned by men's inability to be attracted to women who are more beautiful internally even if their rear is not perfect.

That’s right. Warren Farrell literally believes that heterosexual men are powerless in the face of SEXY FEMALE BUTTS. They are BUTT HYPNOTIZED by women’s shapely buttocks, virtual prisoners to the power of DAT ASS.

Not only that, but they are slaves as well, forced to earn more money than women so that they can “pay for women’s drinks, dinners and diamonds.” Who knew that the wage gap was caused by the ass crack?

We like big butts, and we cannot lie. But that way tyranny, I espy.

Only if men can free themselves from the TYRANNY OF THE BUTT they can “have more control over [their] lives, and therefor [sic] more real power.”

But who will write the new Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of Queen Ass?

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for horny dudes to get rid of the boners which those ladies have caused with their smokin hot dumpers and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the babies who have got back requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation, and that is, ladies we can’t think straight if we’re looking at DAT ASS all the time.

Oh, but “Dr.” Farrell is worried about the ladies, too. I mean, he said so:

it’s in women’s interests for me to confront this. many heterosexual women feel imprisoned by men’s inability to be attracted to women who are more beautiful internally even if their rear is not perfect.

Yes, you’re beautiful on the inside to m….holy crap did you see the ass on HER!?

Now, this isn’t entirely new. As I’ve noted before, Farrell makes a version of this argument in his book, talking about secretaries manipulating their bosses with their “miniskirt power, cleavage power, and flirtation power,” [p. 21] describing “female beauty” as “the world’s most potent drug,” [p. 85], and arguing that “many men feel ‘under the influence’ the moment they see a beautiful woman.” [p. 320]

But these, er, arguments weren’t the central focus of his rambling treatise. Now, at the age of 70, by not only putting a naked ass on the cover of his book, but also by defending it in such ludicrously overblown terms, he’s decided to put this unsolicited update from his penis at the center of his argument about the alleged powerlessness of men.

Yep, the closest thing that the Men’s Rights movement has to an intellectual heavyweight seems to think that the most pressing issue facing men today is how sad and mad and confused they feel because they can’t immediately have sex with every hot piece of ass that walks by (and, presumably, the women attached to these asses).

It’s really hard to find a better symbol of the sexual entitlement – and sexual resentment – that lies at the heart of the Men’s Rights movement than this.

Oh, and by the way, my new book is still available for purchase. So far I have sold no copies. Which might have something to do with the $1000 price tag, and also the fact that I haven’t actually written it. But you’ve got to admit the cover is pretty good.

 

In case you needed a clearer explanation of the power of women’s bodacious hineys, one Redditor by the name of Doldenberg has scienced things up for us and provided us all this useful graph. First, his brief explanation:

Being a brave Alpha from TRP, I have found the solution to the evident misandrist oppression of men by cute butt owners meaning owners of cute butts, not cute owners of butts, or butt owners of cute, or…, that is, ranking butts on an objective BMV (butt market value) scale. I’ve made the data up in my head, but it seems plausible. According to this data, the butt loses BMV when having sat on to many objects, while it’s cuteness only works as a limiting factor. I have made a handy graph[1] with supporting data and sources to explain my theory.

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sparky
sparky
6 years ago

I’ve made the data up in my head, but it seems plausible

What if (medical) doctors used the same method?

“I’ve made the x-ray up in my head, but it seems like the bone isn’t broken.”

“I’ve made double-blind trial up in my head, but it seems the medication will cure cancer.”

“I’ve made the lab results up in my head, but it seems like you are anemic and need several blood transfusions.”

sparky
sparky
6 years ago

And I also, have failed to grasp sarcasm.

Damn stay-cation, turning my brain to mush!

scarlettpipstrelle
6 years ago

See how the shortest, simplest of questions can open a veritable Fibber McGee closet of stuff! I had no idea he’d answer.

steampunked (@steampunked)

I think the problem isn’t really that Farrell seems unaware that women can get distracted by attractive men, or that gay men exist.

It’s that there’s no situation in which he is not correct. It’s been noted before by posters, but the equation is pretty much:

Attractive women exist and men are interested in them – Therefore men are wistful and soulful and better and do nice things for women because BIOLOGY.

Attractive men exist and women are attracted to them – Therefore men are better than stupid brainless women because BIOLOGY.

Gay men exist – Insert your choice in patronising disguised homophobia or scary outright homophobia.

Gay women exist – MISANDRY. Also, homophobia.

zoon echon logon
zoon echon logon
6 years ago

and the sooner men confront the powerlessness of being a prisoner to this instinct, we may earn less money to pay for women’s drinks, dinners and diamonds, but we’ll have more control over our lives, and therefor more real power.

So… what exactly does this confrontation involve? Why is there less money earned? “I’m sorry Jim, but we’re going to promoting Frank to VP of sales instead of you. He likes butts more.”

If he’s talking about coming to terms with the fact that there are attractive people in the world that I can’t immediately sex up, I figured that out when I was about 12.

Also,

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Just so you know, Mammotheers, my roommate is a complete hamster goon. So if you post brain bleach of hamsters, she will be forever grateful. (Or at least momentarily amused.)

cloudiah
6 years ago

Hamster brain bleach for LBT’s roommate:

http://imgur.com/a/q1BNV

http://i.imgur.com/cpKB8GN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wrj5YTE.jpg

This is my favorite because ALSO CORGI:
http://i.imgur.com/MhDMe0i.jpg

sleepypixie
sleepypixie
6 years ago

I’m glad I found this. I was on the verge of taking Farrell seriously—I thought he seemed sincere, even if I didn’t agree with most of his premises. But how does someone seriously go from talking about dying in wars to waxing earnestly about butt-oppression? Does he have any sense of his own privilege at all? Or are we just supposed to be happily dependent on the trinkets men are *forced* to buy us as a result of helplessness in the ‘face’ of butts? (Sorry for the contradiction in terms.)

Does it ever occur to him that just the fact that he has a choice to take a less lucrative position so that he’s no longer a butt-hypnotized buyer of trinkets is kind of a form of power? One that the people who happen to be walking around with those evil, enslaving butts are far less likely to have?

Eep.

(PS: I’ve lurked here–it’s such a nice haven, the blog and comments–but haven’t posted before. I just wanted to say thanks for all the reality checks.)

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
6 years ago

Hey guys,

I just want to say thanks for the support the other night, and I’m sorry I posted such an weird message. I’ve been struggling with my mental health lately. I’m still functioning (going to work etc.) But I’m starting to feel like my brain is splitting into pieces, with the functioning part struggling for dominance over the part that wants to sit at home and talk to the wall. I did eventually get to bed, and I tried to call my doctor yesterday but it turns out I have the wrong extension, so I got the right one and will call him tomorrow, hopefully.

Auntie Alias
Auntie Alias
6 years ago

Thanks for checking in, canuck_with_pluck. I was worried about you.

No apology necessary! I hope you can reach your doctor tomorrow.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

With all these magic kryptonite butts everywhere, why aren’t we living in a gluteocracy?

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

Buttercup, that’s Dr. Farrell’s point – we already DO. And yet, so many refuse to see.

Like the end of the original “Body Snatchers” – “you could be next! Beware the buttocks!”

SpleenyBaggage
SpleenyBaggage
6 years ago

I’m a cis female (hope I got that right) who for a while several years ago found herself with raised testosterone levels for various reasons. It was a revelation, because I suddenly had to deal with thinking about sex every damn 10 minutes or so. It was pretty amazing, but it was also VERY distracting. I’d find myself staring at guys on the train, wondering what they’d be like in bed, and I’d have to stop myself from checking out their packages. Seriously, it was WEIRD; I hope I never have it happen again (well, not to that extent…). That being said, I never had a problem stopping myself from hitting on or sexually assaulting said guys, and I never felt angry or powerless because they were sexy but I couldn’t have them. I guess what I’m saying is, even though I desired them, I never felt entitled to them. I’m not doctor, nor am I a best-selling author or guru to millions, but I’m going to have a guess and say that I managed this herculean task of self-restraint because, y’know, I’m a human being and I live in a society that has certain reasonable expectations of behaviour.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

Hey guys! I have the post up, entitled Love Letters from a Rapist! (If you hate tumblr’s format, you can also read it on LJ.) Beware, it is long and it is brutal; do not engage without brain bleach at the ready!

RE: cloudiah and neuroticbeagle

My roommate deeply appreciated your donation of furry hamster posts! And so did I honestly.

RE: canuck_with_pluck

Glad you’re okay, but yes, get your ass checked out.

RE: SpleenyBaggage

I’m a trans guy, and I was on testosterone for a year and a half. For me, it was a weirdly subtle effect: it was easier for me to get turned on, but my sexuality was still just as narrow as it was before, so it was generally only focused on my husband. I didn’t eyeball other guys or wonder what they were like in bed; I just pounced my husband more often.

cloudiah
6 years ago

@canuck_with_pluck, Thanks for updating us; I was worried too. More hugs if you want them. (Also, please gaze at all the hamster cuteness, if cute furry things make you feel better.)

rilian
rilian
6 years ago

I just realized that I’m oppressed by food. and oxygen. and shelter.

Carrie Kube
6 years ago

@cloudiah

The third pic with the hamster in the sweater reminds me of the one from the game, Day of the Tentacle (the sequel to Maniac Manson.) After you it get de-thawed from it’s psuedo-cryogenic sleep you put a cute sweater on it to make it all warm and toasty.

SpleenyBaggage
SpleenyBaggage
6 years ago

@LBT: I should have mentioned I was single at the time, so my (discreet) ogling was all above board! I found there were certain positives about it that I now miss – I felt really healthy and full of vim ‘n’ vigour – but the constant distraction was unsettling, and it made my normally really clear skin break out into acne. So, not so much of a fan. If I could find something that gave me the positives without the downside… sign me up!

And to everyone who posted hamster pics/videos: you’ve totally made my day. I’m going to go home tonight and tell my pet rats to work harder on the cute (no I won’t… they’re already killer-level cute).

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

GodDAMN my brain is fried now. Going through old letters from the bad ol’ days took longer than I thought. BUT I MADE A THING AND THIS IS GOOD.

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
6 years ago

@cloudiah: if I need cuteness overload, I tend to stare at pictures of my fur niece and nephew (a Boston terrier and a beagle-bulldog mix. They’re my babies). Today was not as bad, and hopefully I’ll be able to muster up what I need to call my doctor tomorrow.

dustydeste
dustydeste
6 years ago

@SpleenyBaggage – I’m on birth control these days to keep what turned out to be a major excess of testosterone under control. I cry a lot more, I don’t get as angry, and I’m less horny. I kind of… don’t like it. It’s not that I like being angry, or that I liked feeling unable to cry, but that’s who I was used to being; afaik, the whole excess-testosterone thing probably started when I was 13 or 14, and it didn’t get treated until I was 23, so. Basically, hormones are weird and I hate having a period. But mostly just hormones are some weird shit.

Also, yeah, I think the only time I did anything unwanted and sexual to anyone was when I was drunk at a party and everyone was naked, and I stopped as soon as I realized I was violating boundaries. Like, I just… if horny, testosterone-laden, drunk, naked me can manage to recognize a ‘no’ and stop bothering another naked person, ain’t no one else got any excuse. So the misters can go sit on a cactus with all their O WOE IS ME excuses about anyone’s butts or tits or short skirts or shapely calves or alluring eyes or whateverthefuck.

shaihalood
shaihalood
6 years ago

I think these guys really struggle to say something that sounds scientific as to give their BS legitimacy. But everything they say just comes out sounding so stupid. Then they’re forced to start taking cover and instead bury themselves deeper in more and more BS. It just spirals further after that.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

@Diana Adams
That’s exactly it. That’s what abusers say to women they beat on.

You know, today while I was walking home from the docs office I walked behind a younger woman who was wearing skin tight pants while I was in my casual pants and a street harasser dudebro catcalled her and she ignored him so that when I watlked by he called out ‘fuck you, fucking bitch!’

He was clearly being oppressed because of her tight pants and had to verbally abuse her because it was all her fault for daring to walk by him on a nice sunny day.

House Mouse Queen
6 years ago

@spleeny
Same here. High testosterone. Had to take diuretics to flush it out of my system indefinitely. Never assaulted anyone. Never got angry at men. I was fully able to control my sex drive without a hitch.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

More brain bleach. The furrinati like to recruit us at a young age don’t they?

Retha
Retha
6 years ago

We buttches (b*tches) make life really hard for the butt-addled, as(s) the addled cannot be adult when they see butt. Perhaps he thinks our oppression will lead to women butt-ering (battering) men.
Butt if we-whom-the mammoth-was-hunted-for butt in with a rebuttal to his theories, he won’t listen. He will only stare at our butts. Butt that is evidence not of how oppressed we are. (Fancy that, thinking we are oppressed when people judge as by our butts instead of listening to our arguments. Where would we get such an ass-inine idea?) It is, instead, evidence of his oppression. Bummer.

zippydoo
zippydoo
6 years ago

Sexy butts are everywhere, all the time. They’re even on the internet.

So how about men hand over all that power they’re barely holding onto, to women who aren’t so butt-addled. I mean, they talk about how women have PMS brain and this makes them irrational, but that only involves bleeding once a month between certain ages, so we can either put post-menopausal women in charge, or just get everyone who menstruates in a room, synchronise menses, and declare that ‘vacation week’ for all. My plan is flawless.

(These ‘ass made me do it’ men are usually the same guys who complain that ovulation makes women more attracted to alpha males and this justifies them being treating women as potential cheaters while becoming jerks themselves because biotruths. A bit of an overreaction for something that occurs once a month that makes a slight change to preference in some people, and only if hormonal birth control isn’t involved.)

On a more serious note, it seems Farrell subscribes to the school of ‘men must make more per hour because they feel compelled to pay for dates with sexy asses and This is the Way of Things. Fuck that. Pay me my extra 30%, please, because that adds up to a hell of a lot more than a meal once a week, and the convention for The Way of Things is that I then have sex with the man who paid for the meal.

katz
6 years ago

MRAs should also develop a body of anti-callipygianist theory in order to elaborate on the relationship between shapely butts and institutionalized power. In such an endeavor it is hoped that they can tackle pressing questions of great theoretical significance. Such as:

“How shapely must a woman’s butt be in order to disempower a man?”

“What role does a shapely female behind play in the capitalist mode of production?”

“How can we approach the question of overthowing the matriarchal callipygiarchy – that is, the institutionalized system of callipygian misandry?”

“Are there pro-butt slurs that straight men can reclaim for themselves?”

And various discursive analyses of the relationship between callipygiarchal discourse and institutionalized misandry.

Unfortunately, MRAs are so bad at analyzing any form of social oppression that they probably can’t even develop an internally coherent theory about the oppressive power of women’s butts.

You’re cracking me up, Ally!

saintnick86
saintnick86
6 years ago

That last image pretty much made my day! 😛

Aylin
Aylin
6 years ago

I’m a trans woman, though before hormones I had almost no sex drive. Oddly enough, after being on hormones for a year my sex drive has kicked into overdrive. I expected the opposite. It’s both enjoyable and annoying… o_O

Z
Z
6 years ago

What, nobody has made an “ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-ASS!” GIF yet?

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

@Robert

Buttercup, that’s Dr. Farrell’s point – we already DO. And yet, so many refuse to see.

Like the end of the original “Body Snatchers” – “you could be next! Beware the buttocks!”

Wait…you mean I’ve been missing the bathing suit competition portion of papal elections all these years? O.o

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
6 years ago

(Hugs LBT)

Ugh, those letters. What a perfect example of a predator targeting and grooming a kid. See, lurkers, if you wonder why women are often so protective towards teenagers? This is why.

RBS
RBS
6 years ago

IMHO, Farrell is a walking paradox. He’s author of one of the Manosphere’s canonical texts, yet sounds whine-y. Robert Glover would likely refer to his writing as “victim pukes”.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

It’s not so much the butts that are oppressive. It’s the facts contained therein.

Viscaria
Viscaria
6 years ago

IMHO, Farrell is a walking paradox. He’s author of one of the Manosphere’s canonical texts, yet sounds whine-y.

Not seeing the paradox, I’ll be honest.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

Shorter Farrell: We are oppressed by the sight of shapely women’s butts, but we won’t just avert our eyes and keep our hands to ourselves, because OPPRESSION. And because shapely buttladies won’t give our sorry asses the time of day unless we dinner-prostitute them, that’s date fraud, and thus more oppression. So we HAVE to make more money and have higher social standing than women, because Dat Ass opresseth us so. Hence, male power is a myth. NOW DO YOU GET IT???

hellkell
hellkell
6 years ago

LBT: Hugs. All the hugs.

“Colossal bag of dicks” is an understatement for that guy.

Emmy Rae
Emmy Rae
6 years ago

So the rankings are:

most powerful: women with perfect butts
second most powerful but obviously oppressed: men (presumably heterosexual)
oppressed by the above: heterosexual women with imperfect butts
last: all other groups

Thankfully I can use the helpful chart provided previously in the comments to determine where my butt falls on this spectrum. Science!

Howard Bannister
6 years ago

IMHO, Farrell is a walking paradox. He’s author of one of the Manosphere’s canonical texts, yet sounds whine-y.

…this is pretty much the definition of the Manosphere, actually.

Bina
Bina
6 years ago

LBT, just read that. Wow. Just WOW. That dude was SO fucked up. So glad you got away from him.

And oh, where to start with those messy metaphors? If a pot is about to boil over, you don’t put a lid on it, you TAKE IT OFF THE HEAT. Putting the lid on just traps the heat and pressure inside. Guess he should have learned how to cook for himself, eh? But wait, he’s so incompetent that he’d bleed to death from a pinprick…he said so himself. Ugh.

All the hugs you want, if you want ’em. Hang in there.

vaiyt
6 years ago

talking about secretaries manipulating their bosses with their “miniskirt power, cleavage power, and flirtation power,”

I’m going to manipulate you into getting a blowjob from me under the threat of me getting fired.

Luzbelitx
6 years ago

Hey guys! I have the post up, entitled Love Letters from a Rapist! (If you hate tumblr’s format, you can also read it on LJ.) Beware, it is long and it is brutal; do not engage without brain bleach at the ready!

I’m with my kid right now so I think I’ll wait for a better time to read, although I must admint the very though of those letter scares me.

Thank you for sharing, and big big hugs if you want them!

twincats
twincats
6 years ago

Diana Adams:

Also apparently for MRM, Farrell and the likes “women” (the ones who opress them) only constitute young and sexy females in perfect (ass) shape that gives them raging boners, every other kind of woman (which is the majority of the female population) simply doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

Nah, it’s both. All us other women do exist, but don’t matter. Actually, we just serve to magnify the oppression of men by being feminists that are riding the coattails of our young and sexy sisters. Just like we oppressed men once upon a time when we were young and sexy. Paying it forward, as it were, until all those bonbons caught up with our asses. >.<

Ally S
6 years ago

@LBT

All the hugs. I couldn’t even finish reading the rest of it, honestly – I found it far more triggering than I expected it to be. It reminded me of so many manipulative abusers in my life. Thank you for sharing.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: cassandrakitty

What a perfect example of a predator targeting and grooming a kid.

YUP. And I really wanted to hammer that home, since a lot of people try to pull, “but you were so MATURE, and he was only twenty-one, that’s not a big age gap.” No, I was a child who everyone was trying to groom into a miniature adult. That doesn’t mean it’s okay to treat me like fuckmeat.

RE: hellkell

<em.“Colossal bag of dicks” is an understatement for that guy.

YUP. But I’m the one who probably falsely accused him, by the MRM rhetoric. They really just seem to see trauma responses as “freaking out” purely to inconvenience the mighty penis. Fuck that shit.

RE: Bina

Wow. Just WOW. That dude was SO fucked up. So glad you got away from him.

Yeah, he was a piece of work all right. But don’t worry, I got away from him almost a decade ago, I have a much nicer hubby who’s immeasurably better in all ways, and I have gotten the best revenge by living awesomely.

And yes, you have no idea how much I had to bite my tongue to keep from snarking the sheer incompetence of the writing. Did I mention this guy fancied himself a poet and a writer? Yeah, no. No, bro. You suck.

RE: Luzbelitx

You don’t have to read it if you don’t want to. I repeat what I said to Bina: we got away, we kicked his ass, I got to make him sob like a child and claim I ruined his life, and now I’m with a loving hunky hubby who treats me right and have been happily married for almost five years. He’s ancient history, and I’m happy with how my life is going.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Ally

It’s okay, I don’t blame you. It’s pretty rough shit, and even my snark can only take the edge off so much. I mostly posted it with the hopes that folks can use it to recognize their own abusive situations, or the abusive tendencies within themselves.

Ally S
6 years ago

@Aylin

I know some other trans women who have similar experiences with hormones.

Also, I’m glad to see a fellow trans woman here! I’m one as well. Here’s your welcome package.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
6 years ago

When I was younger I received many complimentary comments about my butt. Where’s my Female Power?

Well, shit, if men are that easily overcome then we SHOULD instate a gynocracy.

Maybe it’s not as bad as it sounds, since Farrell seems to have a very narrow definition of “attractive”. But seriously, who takes “men only think with their dicks” and turns it onto a great tragedy for men? If this is true, how is it not an argument against male supremacy?

Also apparently for MRM, Farrell and the likes “women” (the ones who opress them) only constitute young and sexy females in perfect (ass) shape that gives them raging boners, every other kind of woman (which is the majority of the female population) simply doesn’t exist or doesn’t matter.

Apex Fallacy!

Glad you’re okay, but yes, get your ass checked out.

Not to minimize Canuck’s problem, but taken with the rest of the thread, I read this the wrong way on my first pass.