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Hugo-nominated Vox Day: Even worse than you think

Strike up the band! Vox Day has been nominated for a Hugo!
Strike up the band! Vox Day has been nominated for a Hugo!

 

So our old friend Vox Day – the proudly bigoted science fiction/fantasy writer and self-professed expert on all things “Alpha” – is in the news again. This time, it’s not for declaring most date rape imaginary or writing a racist diatribe against a fellow author. Nope! It’s because another of his literary efforts, a novelette entitled Opera Vita Aeterna, just got nominated for a Hugo award.

In other news, apparently it’s not that hard to get nominated for a Hugo if you have a coterie of hard-core fans who are perhaps still pissed that you got kicked out of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America, and you suggest on your blog beforehand that it would be cool if they voted to nominate you.

Anyway, there’s already plenty of discussion of the news amongst the science-fiction set, most of them understandably displeased that a racist, misogynistic, homophobic asshole got a nomination. Here’s a bit more about the racist attack on black fantasy writer NK Jemisin (and misuse of the SFWA Twitter account) that got him tossed from the organization. If you’ve never seen what he wrote about Jemisin,  I’ll just quote some of the more memorable passages again here, because, wow. I’ve bolded the best — that is, worst — bits:

It is not that I, and others, do not view [Jemisin] as human, (although genetic science presently suggests that we are not equally homo sapiens sapiens), it is that we simply do not view her as being fully civilized for the obvious historical reason that she is not… The laws [Stand Your Ground Laws] are not there to let whites “just shoot people like me, without consequence, as long as they feel threatened by my presence”, those self-defense laws have been put in place to let whites defend their lives and their property from people, like her, who are half-savages engaged in attacking them.

If sales of his novels ever dry up, Vox could definitely get a job as a speechwriter for the KKK.

On Bibliodaze, Ceilidhann is blunt:

There’s only one way to deal with people like Day, who see themselves as above basic human decency, and that is to cut them out of the community like a tumour. Shun them, ignore them, no-platform the hell out of them. Our conventions, our fanzines, our anthologies, our community is not open to people whose racist arguments could have come straight from the mouths of slave-owners.

John Scalzi takes a more conciliatory stance, writing that

the Hugo rules don’t say that a racist, sexist, homophobic dipshit can’t be nominated for a Hugo — nor should they, because in that particular category at least, it’s about the work, not the person.

But he also goes on to note (hint hint, nudge nudge) that the ballot for the actual award includes a “No Award” option in each category, and that if enough people choose it,

it is possible to rank a nominated work below “No Award” if, after reading the work in question and giving it fair and serious consideration, you decide that it doesn’t deserve to be on the ballot and, say, that its presence on the ballot is basically a stunt by a bunch of nominators who were more interested in trolling the awards than anything else. Just a thing for you to keep in mind when voting time rolls around.

GeekFeminism makes the same observation, going on to note that in 1987, “No Award came in ahead of L. Ron Hubbard’s Black Genesis.”

If anyone is still trying to make up their mind about Mr. Day/Beale, here are some quotes from him taken from my previous posts about him here. I’ve bolded some of the most, er, contrarian bits. Click the titles for my original posts, which provide more context and links to the posts in which he said these things.

Women working is worse than rape:

The fact that women may wish to work and are very capable of working no more implies that they should always be encouraged to do so anymore than the fact that men may wish to rape and are very capable of raping means that they should always be encouraged to do so.  The ironic, but logically inescapable fact is that encouraging men to rape would be considerably less damaging to a society than encouraging women to enter the workforce en masse.  Widespread rape makes a society uncivilized.  Widespread female employment makes a society demographically unsustainable.  History demonstrates that incivility can be survived and surmounted.  Unsustainability, on the other hand, cannot.

The Taliban’s attempt to silence Malala Yousafzai was perfectly rational and scientifically justifiable:

[I]n light of the strong correlation between female education and demographic decline, a purely empirical perspective on Malala Yousafzai, the poster girl for global female education, may indicate that the Taliban’s attempt to silence her was perfectly rational and scientifically justifiable.

Acid attacks on women may be worth it if they discourage female independence:

[F]emale independence is strongly correlated with a whole host of social ills. Using the utilitarian metric favored by most atheists, a few acid-burned faces is a small price to pay for lasting marriages, stable families, legitimate children, low levels of debt, strong currencies, affordable housing, homogenous populations, low levels of crime, and demographic stability.

We should emulate Iran by throwing women out of much of higher education:

[T]he Iranian action [restricting many fields of education to men only] presents a potentially effective means of solving the hypergamy problem presently beginning to affect college-educated women in the West. Only one-third of women in college today can reasonably expect to marry a man who is as well-educated as they are. History and present marital trends indicate that most of the remaining two-thirds will not marry rather than marry down. So, by refusing to permit women to pursue higher education, Iran is ensuring that the genes of two-thirds of its most genetically gifted women will survive in its gene pool.

For the rest of my posts on Vox Day — including the one in which he explains that his orc and troll fighting game won’t have any women in it, because that wouldn’t be historically accurate — see here.

EDIT: Added links to first paragraph, reworked third paragraph and added links, removed a link that was problematic.

 

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LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Robert

LBT, my first exposure to Luke Cage was his encounter with Doctor Doom. I can’t link, but if you’re not familiar with it, it’s fewkin’ great.

I REQUIRE THIS. GIVE IT TO ME.

RE: katz

I just want a fuckin’ Black Panther movie already.

Alas, I have no movie, but I HIGHLY recommend the animated miniseries that aired on BET but got blocked from airing in the USA! You can watch the first episode free on Youtube, and it is amazing. I need to buy it.

katz
6 years ago

Ooh, goody. Will watch.

Ally S
6 years ago

@LBT

I was about to rewatch Rurouni Kenshin, but this has caught my eye. I’m barely even 4 minutes into the first episode and it’s already awesome. Thanks for sharing!

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

I am always glad to spread Black Panther. Seriously, I wish more superhero cartoons had its wit. It’s for adults… but it’s not GRITTY!

Retha
6 years ago

His parents are divorced? It sounds like he could be from a home which was at least emotionally abusive. Teddy probably strongly identifies with Daddy and see Mom as the villain in the divorce. He also sees goverment as the villain in his dad’s imprisonment.

Goverment as villain, so my theory goes, makes him a libertarian. His mom moving out makes him extend liberties to only the male half of society.

Robert
Robert
6 years ago

LBT, my only ‘net access is through my phone. I do not know of any way to copy a link and paste it here. If you search Doctor Doom Luke Cage, you’ll probably find it sooner rather than later. Key phrase: Cage saying to Doom, “Where’s my money, honey?”

katz
6 years ago

Just watched it. It rocks. I see why they didn’t air it in America; it makes some very…pointed remarks about American foreign policy.

Jo
Jo
6 years ago

@pecunium

Thanks – that’s was really interesting and informative. It’s great to have someone like you who knows the background well in the thread.

One small clarification – I wasn’t suggesting Beale is an outsider in the SF community, rather that he can be seen as someone with non-mainstream views writing in a non-mainstream genre and suggesting that both of those factors are more likely to get him an easy ride within fandom than someone seen as part of mainstream entertainment. But as you’re closer to the situation that me, I’m happy to defer to your better understanding of the situation.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: Robert

*takes your advice*

Oh my god. This is… wow. Very Silver Age. Very, VERY Silver Age. Also, apparently not a single black person in the entire kingdom of Latveria? How the hell did THAT happen?

RE: katz

Just watched it. It rocks. I see why they didn’t air it in America; it makes some very…pointed remarks about American foreign policy.

Yup, and it’s part of why I loved it. I didn’t realize how badly I needed to see a US superhero get taken down a notch until I saw Black Panther. He’s one of those superheroes that I would actually ENJOY being in the company of in real life.

katz
6 years ago

Yup, and it’s part of why I loved it. I didn’t realize how badly I needed to see a US superhero get taken down a notch until I saw Black Panther. He’s one of those superheroes that I would actually ENJOY being in the company of in real life.

Are you suggesting that he’s not the hero you deserved, but the hero you needed? (He is called Marvel’s Batman, after all…)

LMAO at the line “We have all the manpower we need to invade, I mean, defend our Wakandan allies!” The international politics of the 2000’s in a nutshell.

LBT
LBT
6 years ago

RE: katz

Are you suggesting that he’s not the hero you deserved, but the hero you needed?

HA! I wish Batman were as enjoyable to be around as Black Panther. Seriously, a king who actually acts like a proper king? Someone who treats his own zombiefication as a learning opportunity for his grandchild? (In the Marvel Zombies AU.) Can I like, have a beer with this guy?

Also, I found it just really pleasant to see an African society being depicted as awesome, rather than pitiable. Also, THE THEME SONG IS SO GREAT.

christopher allman
5 years ago

That Lerner article is pretty interesting…but European history, especially for women, is RADICALLY different than middle eastern history.
If your white, your ancestors were probably Celts. The Celtic culture covered all of Europe except southern Italy. It was an extremely egalitarian society. Women could be druids, considered higher than kings. They could be lawyers, own land etc.
In fact, when the Germanic tribes first united, against their common foe, the Roman Empire, they united under a woman, Boodica. Under her lead, they slaughtered tens of thousands of Roman soldiers. Possibly the single most badass woman in all history. If I were to guess why you’ve never heard of her, its because, as a German, the Nazi’s used her as a symbol, making her obviously problematic today.

christopher allman
5 years ago

1600’s Europe, surely an aweful time for women, yet listen to this:
“In this country I saw an extraordinary spectacle. Whenever the Emporer meets a woman I’m the street, if he is riding, he brings his horse to a standstill and let’s her pass. If the Emporer is on foot and meets a woman, he stands in a posture of politeness. The woman greets the emporer, who then takes his hat off his head to show respect for the woman. After the woman has passed, the Emporer continues on his way. It is indeed an extraordinary spectacle. In this country and IN GENERAL in the land of the unbelievers, WOMEN HAVE THE MAIN SAY. They are honored and respected out of love for Mother Mary”

katz
5 years ago

If I were to guess why you’ve never heard of her

I’m gonna stop you right there.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 years ago

christopher allman: not getting it since 2014.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

Celtic culture really isn’t a thing. It comes from the Greek word Keltoi and was used to describe non – Christian Europeans who were not yet part of the Roman Empire. It was used to describe Europeans from many different cultures. All pagan Europeans aren’t a monolith.

You should really stop trying to dispense history lessons. You aren’t very good at it. I’m no expert myself, but come on.

Tam
Tam
5 years ago

In fact, when the Germanic tribes first united, against their common foe, the Roman Empire, they united under a woman, Boodica[sic]. Under her lead, they slaughtered tens of thousands of Roman soldiers. Possibly the single most badass woman in all history. If I were to guess why you’ve never heard of her, its because, as a German…

Getting so much wrong in so few words is kind of impressive. Boudicca (often Latinized to “Boadicea”) was the widow of the king of the Iceni, a tribe of Brythonic Celts, and the catalyst behind the uprising of 61CE in Britain.

The Germanic tribes had united against Romans crossing the Rhine in the Varus disaster in the Teutoberger Wald in 9 CE which, according to my calendar, is earlier than 61 CE.

kittehserf - MOD
5 years ago

Fuck off, Allman. You trotted out your ignorance on the other thread. It’s no more impressive on this one.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

It’s true, the women of my culture have always been pretty bad-ass! And that’s why I’m telling you to fuck off back to whatever bridge you normally hang out under, Chris.

Run along now! Before I send an angry Highland cow after you.

gilshalos
5 years ago

*blinkblink*

There are people who haven’t heard of Boudicca/Boadicea ??

Not in Britain. She’s a folk hero.
Admittedly more known for that than the historical truth, but..definately known.

And she wasn’t German. She /might/ have been adopted by the Nazi’s without me having heard about it, but it seems doubtful. Women were meant to devote themselves to church, kitchen and children according to them, not lead revolts.

samantha
5 years ago

Boudicca, Mr. Allman, was queen of the Iceni tribe – one of the MANY tribes of Celts who were spread out from Bulgaria to the British Isles. Yes, she did lead her people to push back the Romans twice, I believe. The third time, the Romans overwhelmed the Iceni, and others, with sheer numbers. Before the final defeat, she and her two daughters all committed suicide rather than live under Roman rule, since the Romans found the Celtic tribes terribly uncivilized BECAUSE women had high and honored status…a fact that makes me very fond of traditional Celtic attitudes.

By the way, Mr. Allman, are you, perchance, the same Mr. Allman as John Allman? Why are you here? Are you really so ignorant of even modern history as to think, for one minute, that the Nazis would have ever considered Boudicca a role model for obedient German women? Feh.