Man Boobz is now We Hunted the Mammoth.
Don’t worry: nothing you knew and/or loved about the old Man Boobz, except the name, is going away. The blog will continue on much as it has. The old comments won’t vanish, and you won’t have to sign up again to post new ones. Your old links to manboobz.com should still work fine. (The new URL may take a little while to make its way around the world; let me know in the comments if you have trouble accessing the site.)
It’s just that, well, I got tired of the old name. I came up with it on the spur of the moment when I first started this blog. But it was kind of a dopey name. It was easily misunderstood, and gave people an easy excuse to dismiss the blog when it reported things that made them uncomfortable. I probably should have gotten rid of it a while ago.
But better late than never, huh?
I’ve given it a name that fits this blog (and its community of commenters) much better. The phrase “we hunted the mammoth” is a shortened version of “we hunted the mammoth to feed you,” which has become a catchphrase around these parts to describe a certain sort of self-important, self-deluding misogyny common amongst the people featured on this blog.
It comes from a quote I once posted from a dude who felt women weren’t sufficiently appreciative of what men had supposedly done for them over the ages. Here’s the full quote, in all of its glory:
We men built a nice safe world for you all the the coal-mines of death, roads, railroads, bridges and tall office buildings. Its $1,000,000 spent per death of a man on a large dangerous project on average now you can just 9-5 it and call it a day in air-conditioned and heated safety. Forget about the wars we died in and the sacrifices made just ignore history or is it now hersorty? You are accruing the benefits without ever having to pay the price you still don’t have to sign up for the draft and who will protect you? The Sex and the City girls will fight off the North Koreans with their Manolo Blahniks?
Men gave you this modern world now you take it for granted we hunted the mammoth to feed you we died in burning buildings and were gassed in the trenches but that was just for fun right?
How quick and conveniently you forget who made this possible.
We gave you Leonardo da Vinci, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy not to mention countless others, Jonas Salk saved half the world from death and you just piss on it all.
“We Hunted the Mammoth” is such a wonderful distillation of this entire clusterfuck of misogyny, entitlement and unwarranted self-importance – not to mention historical ignorance – that when I decided to rename the blog it was the obvious choice.
Even though it means a long URL and a bit of an explanation.
Ok, you may wonder, but what is this “New Misogyny” you mention in the banner? Isn’t the misogyny you write about just a bunch of tired old ideas lightly reheated?
Much of it is. But I’m using the phrase “New Misogyny” to refer specifically to the angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right (and whom I’ve always ignored on this blog).
So let me give a basic definition — which will no doubt seem overly basic to anyone who’s been reading this blog for any length of time.
These are guys, mostly, who range in age from their teens to their fifties, who have embraced misogyny as an ideology, as a sort of symbolic solution to the frustrations in their lives – whether financial, social, or sexual.
Some of them identify as Men’s Rights Activists, trying to cast their peculiar struggle against what they see as the excesses of feminism and the advantages of women as a civil rights issue of sorts. Alongside those who explicitly label themselves MRAs we find a great number of antifeminist and antiwomen activists we might call Men’s Rights-adjacent – like those in the Skeptic and Atheist subcultures who still haven’t gotten over an offhand remark Skepchick founder Rebecca Watson made about a dude in an elevator a couple of years ago.
Others proclaim themselves Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), declaring a sort of independence from women – while spending much of their time on message boards talking endlessly about them.
Still others see themselves as Pickup Artists (PUA), or masters of “Game,” espousing elaborate “scientific” theories of male superiority while trading tips on how best to pressure or manipulate drunk women into bed.
This misogynistic wing of the PUA subculture has a considerable overlap with a subset of traditionalist and far-right blogs. Many of those in what has become known as “the manosphere” don’t simply embrace misogyny; they also proudly embrace “scientific” racism and other bigotries.
Still, while some of the New Misogynists see themselves as conservatives, even “neo-reactionaries,” many identify themselves as libertarians or even as liberals. Theirs is a backlash that frames itself as a step forward.
So that’s the New Misogyny.
Like I said, none of this is going to sound altogether new to longtime readers of this site. But I think this helps to make a little bit clearer why I focus on the particular sorts of douchebags that I do.
And now, back to work.
[blockquote]just ignore history or is it now hersorty?[/blockquote]
I love the new name and banner things. NIcely done leocigale and Dani and David, all!
I’m new here and I’m already slightly gaping at the things that are posted from ‘MRA’ sites. It’s baffling. Here’s hoping I can stomach all of this ‘enlightenment’ that they insist on.
You forgot one: The Entitled White Guy. He’s the kind of person who believes he’s entitled to Asian and/or third-world women who will worship the ground he walks on and be his personal Stepford wife just because he exists and is a white American (usually). These guys love to rant about “Ameriskanks”, despise black women and love to bash Asian men. (See the Creepy White Guys tumblr.)
BTW, love the new banner.
Jonas Salk actually seems like a great guy. The exact opposite of MRAs. I really doubt he’d be pleased with them using him as an example. This is a man who turned down the opportunity to get rich off the polio vaccine because he wanted it to be inexpensive and accessible. There’s no way an MRA would put the well being of others above his own gain.
My only problems weren’t your fault, but because WP has some STOOPID shit in the way it’s scripting is handled, and getting my credentials to function (I kept getting dumped to my dashboard, with no post going through, and an unsuccessful login to gravatar/We Hunted The Mammoth), until I managed to find the hiccup, and whitelist the cross-scripting.
I like the banner choice.
I just realised this means some associated blogs will need updating …
Very nice. Congratulations on the change. I have had no problems so far.
Awesome! The new banner looks epic!
David:
“But I’m using the phrase “New Misogyny” to refer specifically to the angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right (and whom I’ve always ignored on this blog)…
Some of them identify as Men’s Rights Activists… Others proclaim themselves Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW)… Still others see themselves as Pickup Artists (PUA).”
I’m curious: It seems like you’re defining this “New Misogyny” as those who have little or no political power or ability/inclination to do much more than vent online.
Do I have that right, or do you see them as something more significant? If not, do you mind if I ask why you choose not to ever focus on those, I guess you’d say, “Old Misogynists” who have money, power, and momentum?
Thanks in advance.
R. Tod,
I’m not David, but I think part of the answers is that while none of these manosphere movements have political clout as movements, individual fellow travelers sometimes do have real power. It’s not uncommon that a judge, CEO, or elected official turns out to hang out with some of these guys and absorb some of their weirder fixations.
Love the new look and moniker!
Here’s a transcript summarizing some work by Olga Soffer and James Adovasio which suggests women might actually deserve the credit for hunting mammoths, using communal nets (if mammoths were hunted at all, rather than scavenged, as many archaeologists theorize). Apologies if this has been posted before.
http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/scripts98/9823/pwomenscpt.htm
Oh well. We can’t all be descended from Barney Rubble.
Thanks, everyone!
R. Tod Kelly, because they interest me more, both as a social movement (albeit not the biggest one in the world) and as a sort of case study in the history of bad ideas.There is a value in studying things that aren’t necessarily the most important things in the world, especially when there are lots of other people already writing about the old misogynists with power in the real world.
Honestly, the reason I started this blog is because I ran across MRAs online and thought it was sort of amazing that they even existed. I kept finding myself arguing with them, and so started the blog, and as I learned more about them I got more interested by their worldview, so utterly at odds with my own (and to a large degree with reality).
And there weren’t many people writing about them at the time.
Also, even if they aren’t the most powerful force in the world, these guys do have some social influence on the internet. And when they turn to “activism” they can do real harm.
Buttercup, thanks. I’ve been looking for more information on that!
I look forward to buying the new t-shirts.
Does this mean my old ones are now collectible?
I’m going to say … yes?
I mean, the old ones are still for sale, but who knows, maybe I’ll take them all down tomorrow, and then your old ones will be worth millions!
DISCLAIMER: THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS FINANCIAL ADVICE. ALSO YOU’LL NOTICE I DID NOT SAY WHAT THEY WOULD BE WORTH MILLIONS OF, SO FOR ALL YOU KNOW I COULD HAVE BEEN REFERRING TO AIR MOLECULES. OK i KNOW THAT AIR MOLECULES DON’T TECHNICALLY EXIST AS A CATEGORY OF MOLECULES BECAUSE AIR IS MADE UP OF LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF MOLECULES BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT.
Bitcoins! They could be worth millions of bitcoins’ … molecules. Maybe.
Or kitty litter granules. They must be worth millions of those, and kitty litter is valuable stuff.
MRAs specifically don’t have any power or organizational ability, but they are just the more inept wing of a larger “backlash” trend that is quite powerful. Witness the frequent attempts to rollback women’s reproductive rights, to shame women for using birth control, etc. — and that’s just in the US. In other countries, things are much worse.
Anywhoo, I really just got on to ask what we’re calling ourselves now? Have we hashed that out? Mammotheers? Mammoth hunter hunters? My blog needs a new tagline! (And new content, but I’ve been bouncing back and forth between two abodes and I haven’t had a lot of time to work on it. I owe you guys a poetry slam post at the least.)
I’ve provisionally updated the Welcome Package, but I’m not going to go through and update every page. I am seriously too lazy.
Mammothites? Mammothettes? Mammoth moochers? Mammoes? Mammaramadingdongs? Lady Mammothlades? Mammothbonbons?
Every suggestion has been stupider than the last. Sorry.
I mean, I’m kinda amused with the idea of calling us Mammaries, because Mammoths + Boobz, but it might be a little… counterproductive? Iunno. It’s what I’m going with for now in my own private brain, though.
We’re the Mammotheers! You can be one, too! ‘Cause saving our planet is the thing to do! Creeping and gaslighting is not the way! Hear what Captain Mammoth has to say: “The mocking is yours!”
Ahem… Yeah, I’ve got nothing.
The very idea of PUA used to make me feel angry and defensive for reasons I couldn’t quite put to words. Places like this have brought them to light, and made it easier to see just how small they really are, and *why* they are. It takes their power away, and fear with it.
Laughter can be a powerful weapon, for it not only damages the target, but restores the wielder.
This “New Misogyny” of MRAs/PUAs/etc may be petty, but learning how to deal with them can give you a lot of experience that makes you better able to challenge other issues, to see how “big misogyny” isn’t so different from petty misogyny, and petty misogyny we can handle.
So, think of it as level-grinding in a video game. Hehe.
We could just be ‘moths.
Or ‘motheers. ‘Motheers seems a little odd, though, because it’s too close to mothers. Mammoths, Mammoz and mammozers also have a ring. It might be a bad ring, but it is a ring!
I should stop making stuff up, and go back to classwork. Graduating in a week and a half, if I don’t shoot myself in the foot in the homestretch!
Motheers sounds too much like the Moth Hunters (the Aboriginal groups who ate Bogong moths). Urk no!
I’d probably go for Mammotheerz or some such.