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How Melody Hensley is putting the bullies to shame

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Yesterday, a message arrived in my email inbox with the title “Are you happy to die a virgin,” a somewhat unusual question, I felt, not just because of its faulty premise but also because of its lack of the conventional question mark at the end. The email itself was equally blunt and illiterate:

You sound like a 40 y/o FAT VIRGIN living in a basement rotting away. Is manboobz.com your way of hide behind your own internal issues u refuse to face? Father issues???

Ah, here’s where the missing question mark went, along with some friends.

The sender appended a photo of an extremely obese Asian man at least 20 years my junior, mostly if not completely nude, along with the question (and I quote verbatim) “This this photo you??”

As hate mail goes, this isn’t particularly interesting and original. What got my attention was the sender: it came from the admin account at mensrightsmelbourne.com, an Australian Men’s Rights site taking much of its inspiration from Men’s Rights Edmonton (its website design) and A Voice for Men (its propaganda). So this wasn’t simply some anonymous internet troll sending me puerile hate mail: this is one of Australia’s most visible MRAs.

On the front page I noticed something else: A post with the title: “‘Twitter gave me PTSD’: Woman claims mean comments and ‘cyberstalking’ gave her an illness usually suffered by WAR VETERANS.”

The post – most of which is plagiarised directly from The Daily Mail, including the title itself – is an attack on Melody Hensley, a feminist and skeptic who is the Executive Director of Center for Inquiry in Washington DC. Hensley, who in the past suffered intense harassment from misogynists in the skeptic movement and other assorted assholes, is now facing a second wave of harassment as a result of saying publicly that the earlier harassment had given her Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

That’s right: she’s being harassed for saying that harassment so fucked up her life that it gave her PTSD.

While much of the most vicious harassment this time is coming, as it did last time, from the misogynist wing of the atheist/skeptic movement, MRAs are jumping on board as well.

The “argument” of Hensley’s enemies? That she couldn’t possibly have gotten PTSD from “mean words” online. Men’s Rights blogger The Native Canadian put it this way:

PTSD from being a feminist on the internet? Yeah I bet she wakes up screaming at night because of all the mean words! Must be hard going day to day with flash backs of your friends being called “femnazi’s” right in front of you! How ever do you handle life? Fucking disgraceful b****. Let’s see her tell that to someone who really knows what living with PTSD is like. …

I’m sorry but I am totally shocked, I don’t know what else to say, other than, is there nothing sacred to these cat lovers?

And that’s pretty much the argument all of them make: based on nothing but their own vague notion that PTSD is a serious thing that only happens to soldiers, they’ve decided she’s a lying “b****” who is trying to steal the sympathy that rightly belongs to men. (Never mind that her comments on Twitter about veterans suffering from PTSD are always respectful.)

As Hensley has made clear, she’s not claiming that a few mean tweets gave her PTSD. On a page she’s set up to help raise money for research into PTSD she notes:

In July of 2013 I publicly disclosed that I had been diagnosed by my psychiatrist with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) due to more than a year of online harassment and abuse. The abuse -including death and rape threats- occurred on numerous websites and via email, phone, online postings, images, and videos.

Is it possible for this sort of harassment to cause PTSD? Well, according to someone who knows a lot more about the subject than me or The Native Canadian or the dude at Men’s Rights Melbourne or the staff writers at The Daily Mail, the answer is a clear yes. Caleb W. Lack, a licensed clinical psychologist and psychology professor who writes a blog called Great Plains Skeptic, and who is an expert on anxiety disorders, writes in a recent post on the Hensley controversy that

Bullying has long been known to have a severe impact on mental health, particularly if the bullying is repeated and prolonged. While research has traditionally focused on youth (as briefly reviewed here), more recent work has examined it’s impact on adults. as well, particularly in the workplace. Research focusing specifically on cyberbullying has found very similar results to “traditional” bullying, in terms of increased risk of depression, suicide, and anxiety. In youth, around a third of bullying victims display quite high rates of PTSD symptoms and rates are perhaps even higher in adults who are bullied.

So, given what we know about PTSD, and given what we know about the effects of bullying (cyber and otherwise) on mental health, I think it’s relatively safe to say that “Yes, you can ‘get’ PTSD from Twitter.” One needs to be careful, though, to be specific about this: it’s the bullying and harassment that could lead to PTSD or PTSD symptoms (as well as depression, increased suicidality, and so on), not anything inherent to Twitter itself. Twitter and other forms of social media are just a new tool to use to bully and harass others, but the underlying mechanisms and the results are the same as if these interactions were face to face.

The internet isn’t somehow apart from the “real world.” It’s a part of it, and actions on the internet have real world consequences. Unfortunately, the internet seems to magnify the power of bullies. But it may also magnify the power of bullying victims to fight back.

Of course, the bullies don’t want to acknowledge that what they are doing is bullying. Indeed, many of the worst bullies in the skeptic and Men’s Rights movements consider themselves “activists” — even though the bulk of their “activism” may consist of nothing more than harassing individuals. That may be part of what is driving the widespread refusal to accept that online harassment can lead to real trauma, including PTSD.

And that may be why the guy at Men’s Rights Melbourne — that is, a guy who sent me a crude, bullying email calling me a “FAT VIRGIN” — felt the need to weigh in on the Hensley’s case, and to insinuate ( in one of the few portions of his post that wasn’t plagiarised) that she’s making it all up.

But on some level the bullies know that they’re bullies. There’s no question that the new wave of harassment against Hensley is driven by one of the central dynamics of bullying — offline and on. Bullies love to pounce on anyone who shows signs of vulnerability, and Hensley’s announcement that she suffers from PTSD is a sign that the first wave of bullying got to her.

Happily, that’s not the whole story. What really seems to infuriate Hensley’s enemies is that she’s not acting like they think a victim should. She’s not shutting up and going away. She’s back on Twitter and responding to critics, because doing so gives her a sense of control over her bullies. She’s taking power away from them.

On A Voice for Men, Dean Esmay tries his best, in a barely coherent post, to paint her as a “professional damsel in distress” who deserves to be distressed some more. But the tweets of hers he reposts aren’t very damsel-like; they’re blunt and direct and they call out bullies by name. And when she posts them she knows she has the support of a lot of people who are as disgusted by the bullies as she is.

And while the bullies fulminate, she’s raising money for PTSD research. Because she’s an actual fucking activist, not a bully with a Twitter account, or a website, or a YouTube channel.

EDIT: There has been a lot of really good stuff written about Hensley and PTSD, particularly on Freethought Blogs. Here are some links to interesting, useful, insightful posts.

How could Twitter possibly cause PTSD? by Stephanie Zwan, documents some of the harassment.

What Melody Hensley Has to Teach You About Professionalism, an older (2013) piece by Zvan

Your Uninformed and Incorrect Opinions About Psychology, by Miri Mogilevsky

A Voice for Me – AVfM and Thunderfoot on PTSD, by Avicenna

PTSD and Me(lody), by Avicenna

Feel free to post more links in the comments!

NOTE TO DRIVE-BY ASSHOLES: If you want to talk about what a liar you think Melody Hensley is, don’t bother trying to post comments here. I mean, you can if you want; it’s just that it takes me a lot less time to throw them in the trash than it does for you to write them.

 

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titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

@pecunium

“Jack, you have debauched my sloth”.

Damn. Now, I’m going to have to pull the series off my bookshelves again and wade my way through it, again.

kittehserf
7 years ago

I took a gander at Men’s Rights Melbourne. Apparently you can tell someone is a feminist because they have “cold, dead” eyes of evil. Or something.

Cool!

titianblue
titianblue
7 years ago

they have “cold, dead” eyes of evil.

Yep, I’ve got those. They’re in a jar in my study.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

ACT LIKE A CAT
(list of idiotic cat stereotypes)

Congratulations, MRAs, you have unlocked the secret of attracting women: pick something chicks love, and emulate it. But only emulate those parts of it that conform to your terrible ideas about gender relations. Changing yourself is beta.

If you can’t act like a cat, then act like chocolate. Or shoes. Or a scented fucking candle.

jodiethalegend
7 years ago

I stupidly went and visited mensrightsmelbourne… I live in Victoria (not sure where y’all are from, but Melbourne is the capital of the state of Victoria in Australia), and I can no longer pretend that MRAs and all those other woman-hating badman groups are an American phenomenon 🙁

I love reading the posts on here and then coming in and reading all the comments from sensible people. LOVE it. I can spot a mansplaining misogynist at 100 paces now, compared to a few years ago when I didn’t even realise I was engaged to one… But for every plus that comes from seeing the world through my new Feminist eyes, there is the pain of knowing just how many warped and scary minds are out there who believe that they are absolutely justified in thinking that women are manipulative, worthless pieces of crap. And I want to write about this and spread the word. I can’t because I know I would be crushed for doing so. I got PTSD from life-threatening complications to a serious and life-changing illness, and this was exacerbated by the behaviour of my abusive ex-fiance. I know all about triggers, and I know that I don’t have the strength to stand up on the internet and show my hand to all those people whose first instinct is to hand out hate like lollies because the internet is anonymous, yo. My mission instead is simply to raise my sons to be good people. And to point out to whoever is standing next to me why some things are sexist and they didn’t even notice.

kittehserf
7 years ago

jodiethalegend – ::waves:: Hi from a fellow Victorian! There are a few Aussies on Man Boobz We Hunted the Mammoth. 🙂

Have you had a Welcome Package yet?

But for every plus that comes from seeing the world through my new Feminist eyes,

Those’ll be the cold, dead ones, yes?

Yeah, I cringe when I see how many MRA dipshits there are here. They’ve the brains of a dung-budgie and none of the charm. Have you heard of that godawful specimen – actual criminal specimen, iirc – Peter-Andrew wossname who thinks sticking a copyright symbol on his name means people have to pay to write it? He is, alas, Australian.

Like it isn’t embarrassing enough having the like of Abbott and Hockey and Palmer and Pell and eeeeugh …

kittehserf
7 years ago

What about grey-green eyes, David? Does that mean one’s in league with the devil, she asked hopefully.

jodiethalegend
7 years ago

You guys are so witty, I could read your comments all night 🙂
I checked out the welcome package and read about the hard wooden chair. I can see myself a) wasting a lot of time in here, and b) making jokes in the real world that only other followers here will understand. I have become a bit serious and jaded, the collective humour in here is very refreshing 😀

I think the trick with abusers is to just not engage. Same with bullies of any kind. Take their toys away, let them have their tantrum and swing at nothing. Look at them with pity and just say ‘oh… you’re one of THEM…’ and forget they exist. Easier said than done sometimes, and much easier when they don’t live in your house.

The thing that bugged me the most about Mens Rights Melbourne… that oh-so-familiar manipulation of the media. The ‘I’m not making this up, it was in the news, it must be true!’ type approach that people are trained to believe. I used to work for Fairfax (the other F-word) and it opened my eyes big time. I get that soapbox out sometimes too.

Anyway, the alarm clock in my chest is telling me that it is past my bedtime (hooray for a battery powered heart). I’ve started a little blog of feminist idea explorations that I might show to my cousins via Facebook one day. They seem to like reading about my goat-keeping and cheesemaking exploits, and it’s not that much of a stretch…

cloudiah
7 years ago

Jodi, obviously the solution is to get everyone you know who is also awesome addicted to this place too, and then you don’t need to worry about them getting your jokes. XD

Fibinachi
7 years ago

Cute
Aloof
Independent.
Want affection(rare) on their own terms
Demand affection when they are distracted with something important. (are you reading reddit with the cat crossing in front of your screen, only to ignore you when YOU are ready to pet it?)
You serve ME, I do not serve you attitude.
I go out to prowl…but I come home. I prowl, it is what I do.
I do what I want.
Your goal should only be to feed me what I want and when I want.
I’ll bring you dead animals once in a while (gifts that aren’t wanted but impose a “it’s the thought that counts” admiration)
Cuddle when YOU want, cut it short, then bounce.
Indifference mildly peppered with punctuated affection (to keep interest).
The only interaction you get is when you play with me (sex)

But that doesn’t describe my cat at all.

Clearly, I and my cat are both Wrong, because a theory this well expressed in such orderly listed form must be Right, and I should report somewhere to get my defective self fixed.

…. or maybe not.

weirwoodtreehugger
7 years ago

If a guy wants to act like a cat does that mean he’ll interrupt the date to sit down, put his leg above his head and lick his butt for 10 minutes?

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Tigger likes to get his face right in there and make disgusting snuffling noises.

wordsp1nner
wordsp1nner
7 years ago

I just hope he doesn’t wake his dates up by licking their hair at 6 in the morning. It’s cute (if annoying) when Jade does it, but that would be creepy as fuck when guys do it.

I’d also prefer it if he didn’t chase bottle tops around her apartment.

leatapp
leatapp
7 years ago

Acting like a cat means that every now and then you’ll just look down and realize there is a man in your lap and you won’t be able to recall when he got there.

We call that “sprouting a cat” when the kitties do it.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

I am glad boyfriend is not catlike because I’m not sure I could deal with 3 critters all trying to knock the pen or pencil out of my hand when I’m trying to take notes.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

“Hey sweetie. Hey. Hey. Hi sweetie. Hello.” “Oh my god. Yes, what?” “Do you want to cuddle?” “Not right now, sorry. I’m writing a paper.” “Okay, but how about now?” “…No?” “Yeah okay but what if I make it impossible for you to reach your computer. Can we cuddle then?”

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

I keep wishing I had a white-haired alpha male to shed all over my dark clothing (or vice versa).

David – don’t forget to spreadeagle yourself on her newspaper, then hairball-escalate into her purse. She’ll swoon!

Earlier, I was going to try to come up with an ACT LIKE CHOCOLATE list, but ran out of time (Twin #2 woke up and embarked on an epic meltdown over a plastic astronaut figurine that fell under the bed). So here you are, MRAs. More ways in which you already resemble things the ladies like!

ACT LIKE CHOCOLATE

Be bitter.
Be dark.
Melt in sunlight.
Stain.
Hang out in vending machines, waiting for kindness coins.

Y’know, this is pretty much the way MRAs describe every human interaction. They always focus on some small repellant detail that, while it might be technically accurate, utterly fails to capture the totality of the thing, and manages to make it sound really crass and unappealing. (I’m looking at you, sex.)

cloudiah
7 years ago

“Hey sweetie. Hey. Hey. Hi sweetie. Hello.” “Oh my god. Yes, what?” “Do you want to cuddle?” “Not right now, sorry. I’m writing a paper.” “Okay, but how about now?” “…No?” “Yeah okay but what if I make it impossible for you to reach your computer. Can we cuddle then?”

Such a perfect distillation of the typical cat-human relationship.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

So are any of these guys soldiers? Or are they just soldiers-by-proxy, since they’re men?

It seems to me that if she’s been diagnosed by a psychiatrist any opinion the MRAs have on the subject is completely irrelevant.

I can’t speak to the situation in other countries, but in the U.S. there’s a widespread sense that mental health professionals can’t be trusted. It was widely believed that MHPs “overdiagnosed” AD(H)D in the 90’s and depression in the ’00s, so there’s plenty of cultural leeway for people so be skeptical of a diagnosis, especially someone else’s. Hell, sometimes I don’t trust my own diagnoses (which include PTSD) because of the culture of mistrust.

Falconer
7 years ago

I’m sorry, if all the feminists have cold, dead eyes it’s because I haven’t swept under my couch recently. All the eyes that the feminists have rolled so hard they popped out have rolled under my couch. To be honest, I think my living room floor isn’t quite level.

Anyway, they’ve had to make do with dolls’ eyes in the interim. Sorry, it’s all my fault.

pecunium
7 years ago

Titianblue: I love that series. I’ve probably read all of them at least three times (I know I’ve read a few more that that). My favorite is probably the first, and my least favorite the second, but even at it’s worst, it’s great (my dislike isn’t the writing, nor are the actions inconsistent, but the choice they are all making are enough to drive one mad).

The thing I like best about them is that we aren’t asked to accept that, “they are all just like us”. It’s an alien mindset (several of them) and we are presented the players on their own terms.

kittehserf
7 years ago

kitteh, I removed your comment for a completely paranoid reason. I did get the joke, but some people might misinterpret it.

Sorry, David – I should have thought of that. :blush:

kittehserf
7 years ago

Yeah, that’s the bit I should’ve thought of!

grumpycatisagirl
grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

Well, now of course I’m dying to know what kitteh’s cat joke was! But really I’ll live.

kittehserf
7 years ago

I’m bein’ a woman of mystery, involuntarily! 😀

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

It will remain one of the great unsolved riddles of the internet. But knowing kitteh, it was probably quite amusing.

In other news, I think my cat is growing a neckbeard.

Xanthë
7 years ago

Victorians, represent! (I’m currently living in Williamstown, and loving it)

The Mens Rights Melbourne site and Twitter feed look like a one man job of syndicating and reblogging other sites’ content. He might be the same douchebagge as that ‘MGTOW KARMA’ guy who phoned David’s answering machine one time, and did a completely ineffective postering campaign at one of the uninhabited Deakin Uni campuses.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

Buttercup, weirwoodtreehugger – this discussion reminds me of a cartoon I saw years ago of a couple waking up, clearly after their first night together.

One is saying “So, why DO they call you Billy the Cat?”.

Barely concealed behind a screen is a human-sized kitty tray, in need of a scour out.

emilygoddess, yes, it seems soldiers-by-proxy (because: male) and apparently also geniuses-by-proxy and construction-workers-by-proxy too.

Anarchonist
Anarchonist
7 years ago

it seems soldiers-by-proxy (because: male) and apparently also geniuses-by-proxy and construction-workers-by-proxy too.

Don’t forget mammoth hunters by proxy!

I’m bein’ a woman of mystery, involuntarily!

Noooooo! Now that song’s stuck in my head again.

Another PTSD Survivor
Another PTSD Survivor
7 years ago

Hugs Rose. I was also sexually abused – as a small child, a teenager, and raped by a partner as an adult, as well as emotional abuse while growing up. I was diagnosed with PTSD 18 years ago. When I confided my diagnosis in my sister, her response was “Oh, you’ve never had it that bad. You’re just looking for attention.” Yes, my sister is a bully, too. And I mostly keep my PTSD diagnosis to myself.

And it has been WORDS that have been the triggers for PTSD episodes more often than anything these past 20 years.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

But never anything-bad-by-proxy! And women? Never anything good, by proxy or in person.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: emilygoddess

I can’t speak to the situation in other countries, but in the U.S. there’s a widespread sense that mental health professionals can’t be trusted.

You can thank the False Memory Syndrome Foundation assholes in part for that! I’ve had to argue at least once that no, I wasn’t created by my shrink, NO they didn’t induce our multi, NO NO NO PLEASE STOP SHUT UP.

bluecat
bluecat
7 years ago

40-odd years ago, my three siblings attended a school which turned out to be the centre of a long-running (60 years and counting!) child abuse scandal.

A, it turns out, was actually targeted by one of the prolific abusers, but managed to run. B now talks about knowing it was going on, and of friends who were abused. C – total denial and huge derision for anyone who mentions the subject, plus angry insinuations that the accusers are all just in it to extort money (this after several of the abusers have been jailed and another is currently on the run from the police).

The very instant A mentioned the personal experience, just a couple of years back, C used the words “False Memory Syndrome”.

Thing is, C is a violent bully who rather enjoyed the school.

kittehserf
7 years ago

Xanthe – hey, cool, Williamstown’s lovely. Is Romany Woman still there in those touristy beachfront shops? ::waves from other side of town::

More delurkers, yay! Welcome Packages all round!

You can thank the False Memory Syndrome Foundation assholes in part for that! I’ve had to argue at least once that no, I wasn’t created by my shrink, NO they didn’t induce our multi, NO NO NO PLEASE STOP SHUT UP.

RAGE

hieronymousboss
hieronymousboss
7 years ago

I haven’t been here in a while (so long that I can’t even remember which name I used here before), but I had to stop by to vent. Saw this article on the front page and it’s relevant.

Is anyone here following the Brown University rape story? I have been for the past couple of days, and I have to say, literally every article I’ve read on the web has had its comments sections taken over by MRAs (or their ilk) who insist that the victim is lying, and that if she hadn’t been, the accused would already be convicted. The victim was strangled and injured so badly (spinal injury) she had to spend three months recuperating at the behest of a doctor.

Reading the hateful, vitriolic rape apologia about this case is almost giving ME effing PTSD, and I’ve never been raped. I can’t even imagine what it’s like for someone who has, and who is bullied by these monsters for it.

Bina
Bina
7 years ago

So are any of these guys soldiers? Or are they just soldiers-by-proxy, since they’re men?

Oh, they’re all veterans of the elite 101st Flying Monkey Keyboard Squadron! And their trauma is that a woman talked back to them and proved them all to be full of shit.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: bluecat

The very instant A mentioned the personal experience, just a couple of years back, C used the words “False Memory Syndrome”. Thing is, C is a violent bully who rather enjoyed the school.

UUUUUGH. I’m so sorry. That’s really gross and so infuriating, especially since the False Memory Syndrome dipshits are full of just that. I thought the MRM was bad, but no, the FMSF people really out do them. They are the abuser’s lobby that PEOPLE LISTENED TO.

Karalora
Karalora
7 years ago

Acting like a cat means that every now and then you’ll just look down and realize there is a man in your lap and you won’t be able to recall when he got there.

leatapp, I burst out laughing this, because it happens to me with Sekhmet so often. On the order of once a day. I’ll be puttering around on the computer, doing crafts, etc., and suddenly it will occur to me that she is in my lap and I am petting her, and I still have no clear memory of when it started.

She has me trained really well.

LivingInSilence
6 years ago

I have been suffering in silence with PTSD for years due to rape and physical abuse and molestation as a child. I have found that claiming PTSD in any manner had warranted the same kind of response because I am not a Soldier I couldn’t possibly have PTSD. the internet is full of uneducated people but I find the “keyboard psychologists” to be the worst. They research one piece of information on a topic and assume that is all there is to know on the matter. (they should probably have a sit down with the string of psychologists and therapists I have seen over the years for my PTSD) I even had a friend who works as a marriage counselor tell me he had to send one of the couples he sees to have EMDR (PTSD treatment that the military swears by) because him cheating on her caused them both to have PTSD and they needed treatment. Anything can cause PTSD because it is about how your mind and body react to a situation not about what is actually happening. This is the end of my rant and I hope some people found some good use out of it and maybe one day the morons who swarm th internet will get a clue

Ally S
6 years ago

@LivingInSIlence

Speaking as someone else who has PTSD due to a history of abuse, I feel that this strongly resonates with my experiences:

Anything can cause PTSD because it is about how your mind and body react to a situation not about what is actually happening.

Thank you for sharing.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Anyone who piles onto a person who states they are suffering from a disorder is a vile human being. For people experiencing this nastiness, you have my sympathy.

Ryan
Ryan
6 years ago

I found this article while searching up Melody, and I have to say, your website name really disappointed me. It’s an amazingly awesome name, don’t get me wrong, but it seems like it’d belong to some band or group.

To actually reflect on the article itself, I’m not quite sure I agree with the writer. If you’re a public figure, you have to realize what comes with being a public figure. You’ll face harassment, every public figure has since the beginning of time. You have to learn how to deal with the harassment, the threats, the assholes. If she really has PTSD from such silliness, she should consider stepping out of the limelight, instead of coming back for more and more. At a certain point, you’re trying to be a victim.

pallygirl
pallygirl
6 years ago

Ryan troll:

If she really has PTSD from such silliness, she should consider stepping out of the limelight, instead of coming back for more and more. At a certain point, you’re trying to be a victim.

Yes because any female who blogs or writes comments under her name, attracting rape threats, criticisms of how they look/what they wear, their weight, their age, the fact they can’t write because they’re female, etc – it’s all their fault for using media which should be the entire province of males.

Your fucking victim blaming is pathetic. What I have listed above isn’t “silliness” it’s abuse. All for the crime of having opinions while being female.

But, hey, thanks for the advice that females using the internet is us “trying to be a victim”. That’s really useful.

weirwoodtreehugger
6 years ago

Trying to be a victim? Fuck of with that victim blaming language. The idea that it’s only the internet, no big deal is laughably outdated. The internet is part of our daily lives and harassers are frequently moved to dox their victims and take their harassment to meat space. So yeah, it can effect people.

LBT (with an open writeathon!)

RE: Ryan

So what you’re saying is, it’s totally okay to harass someone constantly if they’re a public figure, because fame necessarily entails constant harassment.

Dude, I don’t know what you’ve got against famous people, but it’s kinda gross. I don’t think ANYONE should get harassed like that.

Ally S
6 years ago

@Ryan

I’ll copy and paste the above for your convenience:

Anything can cause PTSD because it is about how your mind and body react to a situation not about what is actually happening.

Now shut up. None of your victim-blaming bullshit is meaningful or new for this discussion.